Re: [DX-CHAT] DXpedition calling practices

[Ron Notarius W3WN]

My observation is that going by the numbers has become less effective over time.  When I only have a limited time in the shack on a given evening or afternoon, I don't see the point anymore in waiting out what is more often than not a futile effort. I've also observed that some of the best DXpedition ops -- Martti OH2BH for one stands out, but many others as well including many on this reflector (you know who you are) -- do two things to effectively manage the pile-ups over time: 1.  Call by regions, based on where propagation has opened -- and sticking to it.  If they call "EU ONLY" or "NA ONLY" or "OC ONLY" then that's who they work.  Period. 2.  Spread out the pileup.  Don't just listen up 1 or 2, but listen up 1 to 5 (CW) or 5 to 10 (SSB).  Find a frequency, work one or two people, then move up or down within the window.  Sooner or later, everyone gets heard.   Oh, and a #3 & 4 ought to go without saying: 3.  Ignore the deliberate QRM & jammers & frequency cops.  Don't respond.  Send "UP" or "listening up" often, and ignore anyone on your frequency.  Not even give a humorous "Alpha Bravo, you're in the log" like 9K2ZZ used to do with "lass too" partial calls.   4.  ID often.  If not after every QSO, no more than every third.  If someone realizes that you're not the droids they're looking for, they'll move on; if they waste time listening because the DX hasn't ID'd for 10 minutes, you end up with somoene annoyed or frustrated -- and they may take it out by turning into a jammer. 73, ron w3wn

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Re: [DX-CHAT] FW: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices

[tom wylie]

I dont count myself as a top notch DXer, but I have been on a few 
expeditions including the last major trip to Banaba T33C in 2004.
I have never resorted to calling by numbers as I feel that this is the 
least fair way of doing things.When doing the numbers, WHY do we 
always start at ONE?   Then we argue how many ONEs before going on to 
TWOs.Maybe in the USA where all the numbers are represented is is 
OK, but for example here in Scotland / UK, we dont have any G or GM9s, 
very few G/GM2s (very old timers) the 1s and the 5s are generally lower 
class licenses or people who have chosen not to upgrade (not all 
incidentally) so when they run the numbers in Europe, we are at a strong 
disadvantage and when for example they call for the 4s, they may only 
take 10 or 15, and there are a lot of EA4s, F4, I4s, DL4s, etc in 
addition to the UK.   By the time we get a go, propagation has gone.


If you really have to thin out the pile, then working by continents is 
best - you guys must know the propagation difference between W1 (a real 
one) and a W6 (again a real one).  Its the same in Europe where the SVs, 
9As, IK)s, have much different propagation from us up here in the frozen 
north.   It is every bit as frustrating for us up here when the DX 
operator is not in charge of the pile up but the pile up is in charge of 
the DX operator.


Really its an experience thing, and whilst we all have to learn, a major 
expedition is, in my humble opinion, not the correct time for a novice 
operator to learn the ropes.



Tom
GM4FDM
T33C, T33TW, 3D2DM, V8FDM, TY9TW, VP8SDX et all.




On 26/07/2011 23:03, Dave Gomberg wrote:


At 14:20 7/26/2011, john wrote:
Agreed...by the numbers is great, if you take 5 min of 1's , 5, of 
2's , etc.


That rarely happens, and indeed it sucks if you're not in 1 or 2 land.


To make numbers work, use a random starting number, 0-9


That however is what makes the hunt so interesting...and frustrating 
sometimes!

John K5MO



At 04:00 PM 7/26/2011, Gary Wilburn wrote:


Forwarded from Wayne's post in dx-news

Great words of wisdom Wayne that I wish more Dx Pedition operators 
would follow.  By the numbers is great if your in 1 land ­ not so 
great for the guy in 0 (zero) land. Many times by the time the DX 
gets to zero land band conditions have changed. Sometimes you hear 
them begin with zero but not very often. Continents and parts of 
continents (west, east, central regions or coasts would make better 
QSO rates especially if timed with peaked propagation openings.  73, 
Gary W8VI


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A DXpedition operator who says "JA Only" and complains about calls 
by others in Asia is an inexperienced DXpedition operator. 
Generally, "JA" means "Asia." Further, working strictly by counties 
is simply not acceptable. Most of us who have tried it won't ever do 
it again. Numbers don't work, either. Working continents (with 
flexibility) is the most effective, if you HAVE to subdivide the 
pileup. There are a number of other equitable ways, as well.



73, Wayne, N7NG
Jackson, Wyoming


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From: kf...@njdxa.org [mailto:kf...@njdxa.org] On Behalf Of BILL KIRK
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:35 AM
To: ra9ab-m...@mail.ru; dx-n...@njdxa.org
Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices

I agree with Michail. Seldom, if ever, does the DXpedition call for 
RA's, UA's, etc. Maybe the DXpeditions want to take notice.


73, Bill   NJ1X


From: M.Vasiliev 
To: dx-n...@njdxa.org
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: [DX-NEWS] DXpedition calling practices

Hello Charles,
Here, in UA9, from every DX-pedition we always can hear
"onlly EU" and "only JA" and sometimes we even have no chance to 
work this

DX in time of good propagation
"UA9 -You are not EU!". "UA9 -You are not JA!"
Something like this :(

Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:28:48 AM, you wrote:
CH> When a DXpedition chooses to call BY COUNTRY, such as "only
CH> JA," it is no surprise that they never call "only HS,"  but by
CH> calling "only EU" etc, little old me in Thailand gets left
CH> out--like VU, SEAsia, and China as well as CENTRAL America.  There
CH> are hams in these ignored areas of the world who do not like to
CH> try to break the "JA only" announcement, but have no choice.  But
CH> it is no fun to call, as I just did, for 4 hours (ST0R) while the
CH> op ran "JA only" and twice made the mistake of sending "HS" and
CH> then correcting himself--he heard me, hi hi.
CH> Note, my K4VUD email has been hacked.  73, Charly HS0ZCW

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Best regards,
M.Vasiliev  - R9AB  -  ICQ 8636160  mailto:ra9ab-m...@mail.ru



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