That's not the point at all Rag. And don't change the subject.
The issue you raised is not whether or not an electronic confirmation system
should be used. It was, by implication, that DXpeditions in general, and
ST0R in particular, are using the QSL confirmation as a cashcow to raise
money. And other related implications that are more than a bit unsavory and
not worthy of further discussion.
Since instead of replying to my earlier comments, you are changing the
subject. I'd venture to say that you actually don't have any facts to back
these earlier statements of yours up, you just want to stir things up.
If you want to do so, this is not the proper reflector for that purpose. So
perchance you should take your argument elsewhere.
I don't think anything more needs to be said on the subject.
73
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From: ragnar otterstad [mailto:la...@yahoo.no]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 6:37 PM
To: wn3...@verizon.net; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
No need to print cards. just immediately upload to LOTW IMHO
73 rag
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Fra: Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net
Til: la...@yahoo.no; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sendt: Mandag, 19. desember 2011 23.53
Emne: RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Rag:
I'm looking at the ST0R web site right now, and under QSL Information (see
http://www.dxfriends.com/SouthernSudan2011/qsl.php ) they make NO mention
whatsoever of ANY donation needed for a LotW upload.
They ask for an SAE and enough IRC's to cover the return postage, nothing
unreasonable, and also explicitly state that they will also return cards via
the bureau if you choose not to include sufficient return postage / IRC's.
Now if you want to get picky, they also state on that page that donors who
contribute above a certain $ amount can email the manager directly with
their QSO information for a card. Are they giving special consideration to
those who donate? You can make that argument. You can also argue that
that's a courtesy to those who donate, a perk. not a demand for funds.
But that is hardly a cash cow, and they still have to print and mail the
cards.
So your argument is invalid.
Now if you're complaining about a different DXpedition, cite facts and don't
tie it to an ST0R thread. It implies that they are doing something that the
facts show they are not.
And if you really feel the need to libel this group, do it elsewhere.
From: ragnar otterstad [mailto:la...@yahoo.no]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 5:41 PM
To: wn3...@verizon.net ; dx-chat@njdxa.org
Subject: Vedr: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
With respect:
When you are asked to make a contribution to have your QSOs uploaded to
LOTW, what do you call that ?
73 Rag
Fra: Ron Notarius W3WN wn3...@verizon.net
Til: dx-chat@njdxa.org
Sendt: Mandag, 19. desember 2011 22.04
Emne: RE: [DX-CHAT] ST0R-LOTW
Not this old canard again.
Nobody has to pay for a confirmation.
Yes, I know there are individual cases where this has happened, that is not
an absolute statement. But NONE of these recent big DXpeditions have, so far
as I know, demanded renumeration in return for a confirmation.
Have they asked? Yes. Well, there are expenses. But no one has demanded
reimbursement, and in most cases, at best a DXpedition breaks even on
postage and printing costs for QSL cards.
If you don't want or need your card back quickly, wait on the bureau. Thus
it has been, thus it shall be.
73, ron w3wn
On 12/19/11, rag...@otterstad.dk wrote:
My thanks to the many people who responded to my request for info re ST0R
QSL's and LOTW credits. I appreciate your responses and info.
John Owens - N7TK
Celebrating over 50 Years in Ham Radio
No. 1 Honor Roll
It seems like some DXpeditions are turned into cashcows !
First we contribute individually or via our DX-club, then have to pay again
for confirmation ! I never thought this was going to be a business!
73 merry Xmas
Rag LA5HE ( since 1953 )
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