Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged

2003-06-16 Thread bruce makas
Ron, You are right and wrong and this is the mis understanding everyone has.

On the one hand, you can work all of the CURRENT countries, qualify for the
DXCC honor roll and top of the honor roll (Number 1 plaque) on that basis.

On the other hand TOTAL countries is kind of like a life time achievement
score. It recognizes that you were in the hunt for many years and yes,
there is always someone out there with more than me and I've been at it for
44 years. That's fine with me, just let me keep my all-time country credits;
I earned each one of them. I know that I'll never get to the top of the all
time list and, you know what, I don't think that anyone will ever get there.
So what? What I've earned is still an accomplishment as far as I'm
concerned. Let's keep 2 scores, current and all-time.

73, Bruce K1MY

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From: Ron St.Laurent ND5S [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged


 Bruce,

 I may be missing something, but using your logic, a new guy could NEVER
 get to the top of the all time list as there are entities he couldn't
 possibly work as these entities are on the deleted list.  The current
method
 levels the playing field as available entities are available to all.
Under
 the new rules attrition will eventually take care of the deleted good
ones
 out there.

 Best 73,

 Ron ND5S

 Visit my Website at:
 www.qsl.net/nd5s

 - Original Message -
 From: bruce makas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 Subject: [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged


  Apologies to Bernie W3UR and the Daily DX Bulletin but the following is
  copied from today's edition (you really should subscribe if you are
not):
 
  --
  Reader K9KK, Rick, asks for an explanation of the difference between
  deleting a DXCC entity and removing it.  I believe this comes up in
  connection with the recent discussion of East Timor/Timor-Leste, the
  operations during the UNTAET period and post-UNTAET period.  W3UR
  says this has been asked a lot lately.  I'll try my best to explain
  this, according to my understanding of it.  I do think it's kind of
  hard to understand.  First, the way it used to be:  When a country
  ceased to exist, it became a deleted country but still counted
  toward your DXCC grand total of countries.  Hence, some old timers
  have had 390 or so countries, though there currently are only 335
  countries in existence.  When DXCC was revamped in 2000, that concept
  was changed to this:  When a country ceases to exist it does not go
  into you deleted entities list but is taken away from your all-time
  total.  Hence, there will be no new deleted entities that count in
  your total.  Bernie and I both prefer the old way.
  
 
  My comment is that I, and all DXers that I have discussed this with,
also
  agree that the old way is better. I do not see any logical reason to
  expunge (hope the spelling is right) a credit that was earned by a
DXer.
  The only possible reason that I can even think of is so the new guys,
  whoever they are, can get at the top of the all time list without having
 to
  work at it for years. Seems foolish to me to ignore the accomplishments
of
 a
  long time DXer and his high all time count when the previous current
  country count is also available. Number 1 plaques are available as is
top
  of the honor roll listing for all current countries. Keep the all time
  counts going.
 
  Any chance that we can get the League to reverse this absurd position?
 
  73, Bruce K1MY
 
 
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Re: [DX-NEWS] [DX-CHAT] Deleted vs Expunged

2003-06-16 Thread bruce makas
Hi Charlie, That is the way it was . The new way is, from now on, not
only to delete a country from the current list but to expunge (I think that
is spelled correctly) it from everyone's all-time total. Eventually when we
all die off, there will be no difference between current and all-time total
and while we are alive, each time a current country is deleted your all time
total goes down by one - just as if it never existed.

Not right in my opinion.

73, Bruce K1MY

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 Looks like everyone can be happy IF:   old-timers are allowed to keep
their
 all-time acquired entity number but they and everyone else will be top of
 the honor roll only by confirming all CURRENT entities.  The honor of
 carrying deleted entities remains but does not count toward top of honor
 roll.


 Maybe?

 Charles Harpole
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