RE: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
Well you have to remember, you're dealing with two or more different schools of thought here. There are those who collect QSL cards or equivalent merely as a means to an end, usually qualifying for an award (DXCC, WAS, WAZ, IOTA, WPX, etc.) For many of these amateurs, storing the physical cards are a nuisance, and for these, LotW is well suited. (To say nothing of the cost savings in not having to print & mail QSL cards, make SASE's, buy or trade for IRC's, etc.) Then there are those who collect QSL's for their own sake, for their intrinsic beauty, and so forth. For these, LotW is unnecesary -- because the QSL card isn't a means to an end, it is the end. LotW will never completely replace QSL cards, _nor_ _was_ _it_ _ever_ _intended_ _too_. It is a merely a supplement to them. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Gallo Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 8:46 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X I don't know - I agree with Pete - LOTW is fine. In fact, I'll go one step further - I PREFER LOTW. Why? QSL cards are clutter - I have more than enough clutter. I look at inbound cards long enough to log them into my PC, and I toss them in my desk - when I have had to apply for something, I sort them for the needed award, and I'm done - I'll probably NEVER look at them That said, I send out a nice full color card that I have gotten unsolicited complements back about. If your going to send a card make it NICE - but I prefer LOTW 73 de KG2V Charlie On 5/13/2006 Russell Kellam Jr wrote: > Amen to that Dick. LOTW will never replace the QSL card in your hot little > fist. -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. --Lazarus Long Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
I want a hard card in hand, at any cost and waiting time. Almost 3 years wait and 50 bucks in postage sending too many times to count for a ZW0S card ! I'de do it all again too No Logbook confirmation can ever take the place of a real cardeven if it was made from a post it notepad. 1500 plus band/countries confirmed with hard cards. Pete NA2P Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
I don't know - I agree with Pete - LOTW is fine. In fact, I'll go one step further - I PREFER LOTW. Why? QSL cards are clutter - I have more than enough clutter. I look at inbound cards long enough to log them into my PC, and I toss them in my desk - when I have had to apply for something, I sort them for the needed award, and I'm done - I'll probably NEVER look at them That said, I send out a nice full color card that I have gotten unsolicited complements back about. If your going to send a card make it NICE - but I prefer LOTW 73 de KG2V Charlie On 5/13/2006 Russell Kellam Jr wrote: > Amen to that Dick. LOTW will never replace the QSL card in your hot little > fist. -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! You can have peace. Or you can have freedom. Don't ever count on having both at once. --Lazarus Long Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
Amen to that Dick. LOTW will never replace the QSL card in your hot little fist. Especially since they somewhat personalize the QSO and so many of the QSLs are unique and show some of the culture/geography of the country. 73 all, Russ W4UBC - Original Message - From: "Richard Diddams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Peter W2IRT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "john" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X NOT ME - I WANT THE REAL MCCOY - A BEAUTIFUL QSL CARD IS NICE TO HOLD, NICE TO SHOW, AND NICE TO ENJOY AND STORE IN MY FILE. REGARDS, DICK - W7QHE = [Original Message] From: Peter W2IRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Date: 5/13/2006 10:54:57 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X At 01:07 PM 05/13/2006, john wrote: Is it worth it? That's a question for the folks who wrote the check. My suspicion is that reading all the comments about how great the card is make it worthwhile to them, in much the same way feedback about the expedition justifies the cost of the operation. Well, to be honest, I'd be equally happy with a LoTW confirmation or a note scribbled on a scrap of paper -- anything that legitimately proves contact is just fine by me. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT S Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
A agree 100% with you Dick. Fred - PY7ZZ - Original Message - From: "Richard Diddams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Peter W2IRT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "john" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X > NOT ME - I WANT THE REAL MCCOY - A BEAUTIFUL > QSL CARD IS NICE TO HOLD, NICE TO SHOW, AND > NICE TO ENJOY AND STORE IN MY FILE. > > REGARDS, DICK - W7QHE > > = > > [Original Message] > From: Peter W2IRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Date: 5/13/2006 10:54:57 AM > Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X > > At 01:07 PM 05/13/2006, john wrote: > Is it worth it? That's a question for the folks who wrote the > check. My suspicion is that reading all the comments about how > great the card is make it worthwhile to them, in much the same way > feedback about the expedition justifies the cost of the operation. > > Well, to be honest, I'd be equally happy with a LoTW confirmation or > a note scribbled on a scrap of paper -- anything that legitimately > proves contact is just fine by me. > > > > > Cheers, > > Peter, > W2IRT > > S > > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
NOT ME - I WANT THE REAL MCCOY - A BEAUTIFUL QSL CARD IS NICE TO HOLD, NICE TO SHOW, AND NICE TO ENJOY AND STORE IN MY FILE. REGARDS, DICK - W7QHE = [Original Message] From: Peter W2IRT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: john <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Date: 5/13/2006 10:54:57 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X At 01:07 PM 05/13/2006, john wrote: Is it worth it? That's a question for the folks who wrote the check. My suspicion is that reading all the comments about how great the card is make it worthwhile to them, in much the same way feedback about the expedition justifies the cost of the operation. Well, to be honest, I'd be equally happy with a LoTW confirmation or a note scribbled on a scrap of paper -- anything that legitimately proves contact is just fine by me. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT S Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
At 01:07 PM 05/13/2006, john wrote: Is it worth it? That's a question for the folks who wrote the check. My suspicion is that reading all the comments about how great the card is make it worthwhile to them, in much the same way feedback about the expedition justifies the cost of the operation. Well, to be honest, I'd be equally happy with a LoTW confirmation or a note scribbled on a scrap of paper -- anything that legitimately proves contact is just fine by me. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Fwd: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
I suspect the glossy photo cards of today, many purchased through former eastern block printers, likely cost less than the plain "traditional card" of years past, printed in the US. Are they extravagant? I guess if you compare it against the cost of the rest of the 3Y0X expedition, heavens no. Is it worth it? That's a question for the folks who wrote the check. My suspicion is that reading all the comments about how great the card is make it worthwhile to them, in much the same way feedback about the expedition justifies the cost of the operation. John K5MO At 02:13 AM 5/13/2006, Ragnar Otterstad wrote: Read several comments about their card and today received mine... You are right, that is one class act card... Must have cost somebody big bucks Rod WC7N Nice , with glossy picture cards. But I tend to agree, it must add considerately to the cost. Is it worth it when it makes no difference for DXCC ? 73 Rag LA5HE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/338 - Release Date: 5/12/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
Hey Rag, FYI, The QSL's were donated by Franklin Printing (WZ8P). No cost to the 3Y0X Team. Dave - K4SSU 3Y0X Team Member - Original Message - From: "Ragnar Otterstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "DX-CHAT" Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:13 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X Read several comments about their card and today received mine... You are right, that is one class act card... Must have cost somebody big bucks Rod WC7N Nice , with glossy picture cards. But I tend to agree, it must add considerately to the cost. Is it worth it when it makes no difference for DXCC ? 73 Rag LA5HE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
SUPER !! Very generous. 73 rag la5he -Original Message- From: David Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13. mai 2006 15:13 To: Ragnar Otterstad; DX-CHAT Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X Hey Rag, FYI, The QSL's were donated by Franklin Printing (WZ8P). No cost to the 3Y0X Team. Dave - K4SSU 3Y0X Team Member - Original Message - From: "Ragnar Otterstad" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "DX-CHAT" Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:13 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X > > > Read several comments about their card and today received mine... You are > right, that is one class act card... > > Must have cost somebody big bucks > > Rod WC7N > > > Nice , with glossy picture cards. But I tend to agree, it must add > considerately to the cost. > Is it worth it when it makes no difference for DXCC ? > > 73 Rag LA5HE > > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems > http://njdxa.org/dx-chat > > To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org > > This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA > http://njdxa.org > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
Read several comments about their card and today received mine... You are right, that is one class act card... Must have cost somebody big bucks Rod WC7N Nice , with glossy picture cards. But I tend to agree, it must add considerately to the cost. Is it worth it when it makes no difference for DXCC ? 73 Rag LA5HE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X - 40M CW - 14 Feb
At 13:46 02/14/06, Larry, K4WLS wrote: Info: I gave up and went QRT. What an absolute MESS Is 3Y0X monitoring his QRG ?? The CW bands have gone to Haiti, since the FCC restructured the requirements for a ticket in 2000. Hi Larry (et al), Frequency cops will (sadly) always be with us. Consider that many operators - including me - have been trying for 5 or 6 nights, 4 or 5 hours a night, trying to bag them on 40 without success, I understand their frustration. That's still no excuse to act out on the air, but I do feel their pain when some cretin gets on and starts jamming because he doesn't like the United States in general or stateside operators, or feels 3Y isn't working enough EU or whatever his problem is. I have absolutely nothing against individuals from across the pond, but that comment is specifically targeted at the ignorant EU ops that make pileups so much more difficult that they otherwise need to be. I'm also going to risk severe scorching by saying this but I think a small part of the problem is on the 3Y side as well. For whatever reason, the 40 CW op is choosing to spread out over far too wide an area (20 kHz for CW?? Please!), works maybe 2 or 3 calls a minute on average and never gives any clue as to where he's listening. With piles of that magnitude (this is by far the worst dawgpile I've ever seen in my life), I also find it curious as to why they don't go by continent/numbers with their best ops to whittle the pile down a little. Post a sked and stick to it, etc. NA ONLY between x and y, Europe ONLY between y and z, etc. For whatever reason the other bands are generally not bad at all and piles, although deep, are somewhat orderly -- it's just 40 that things are bad in, and I wish from this side of things that they'd help us out a little, too. Don't get me wrong, overall it's a fantastic operation and I'm very very grateful for they're being there -- and believe me, a substantial donation is going their way! That said, though, I wish they'd throw all their resources at meeting the demand of 40m. Another thought; since they said they're capable of multiple stations on one band -- They're in ITU Zone 2, so why not run NA simplex on SSB above 7150? Put one station up above 7250 for NA only (play dodge the broadcasters, of course), another around 7090 simplex for Europe and then the CW guys down at the bottom? Sounds like a better way to satisfy the demand on the hottest of bands. - Peter W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X - 40M CW - 14 Feb
Larry, K4WLS wrote: Is 3Y0X monitoring his QRG ?? The CW bands have gone to Haiti, since the FCC restructured the requirements for a ticket in 2000. I personally feel the only way in to HF CW operating privledges is the old Novice class: only the old Novice bands; 100W max and VFO of course though. Let the new hams get some operating experiece before do act like Lids and QRM our CW bands. When I got my ticket in 1958, the only time I came across the word Lid was in the ARRL Operating Manual. Now it is status quo. What an absolute shame - the CONDX on the CW bands. I do not work SSB, so do not know about CONDX there - PROB the same. OK, now let's hear some Shatter, oops I meant Chatter, well Chat. Larry - K4WLS You hit the nail on the head. I also noticed much QRM from Europe on 30M. Very poor operating practices, particularly one IK9 that called on 3Y0X's frequency constantly, even when he was transmitting. He sent his call 7 times at one transmission! I shut off the rig. -- _____ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ John L. Sielke ( W )( 2 )( A )( G )( N ) http://w2agn.net \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ "CRUSTY OLD CURMUDGEON, AND PROUD OF IT" Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
My QSO on 17m Feb 9th is in the log.The 20m QSO on Feb 10th is not.They just haven't gotten to it yet. 73 Russ W4UBC - Original Message - From: "Dino Papas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Mail List - NJDXA DX Chat" Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X Nick -- three of my four QSOs with them are in the online log; the fourth took place after the "as of date" of the log. If by any chance you're portable you may want to include that info in your search. For example, my SSB QSOs are under "KL0S/W4" and my CW QSO required a search for "KL0S/4". Failing that methodology and if your QSOs precede the as of date I'd probably work 'em again just in case. Good Hunting! Dino KL0S/4 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X
Nick -- three of my four QSOs with them are in the online log; the fourth took place after the "as of date" of the log. If by any chance you're portable you may want to include that info in your search. For example, my SSB QSOs are under "KL0S/W4" and my CW QSO required a search for "KL0S/4". Failing that methodology and if your QSOs precede the as of date I'd probably work 'em again just in case. Good Hunting! Dino KL0S/4 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 3Y0X Observations
Let's hope the ops there can the "world's most traveled man" interested in ham radio and dxing :) Gerry KA2MGE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
