Re: [DXR] take it or leave it
When I was W6EIF, Wayne, W6EUF, and I would get into pile-ups together now and then. I remember working the DX station just after Wayne did and have the DX station apologize for "getting my call wrong." Tom Orr, W6HT (ex-W6EIF) Back in the late 1970's when my call was w6swe, I got into several pileups where I could also hear w6sp calling the same dx station. I'm sure we each got into logs as the other at times. 73, Bob n7xy
Re: [DXR] Take it or leave it.
And I was happy to be included in the article -- getting famous on someone else's coat tails is fun. Ron Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: FW: [DXR] Take it or leave it.
Ye Gods - this all sounds dangerously like common sense, guys. Don't ever apply for a job in the British Government - you'll never make the grade! cheers Dave G0OIL - Original Message - From: W. David Paperman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Fred Stevens K2FRD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 7:28 PM Subject: Re: FW: [DXR] Take it or leave it. > Fred, et al; > > Fred Steven wrote: > > >I think I'll apply a little Yankee common sense if/when discrepancies > >arise. If it's obvious that everything matches except for a call > >letter (e.g. a Charlie instead of a Tango) or even two if the letters > >sound similar (F or S? B or P?), I'll issue a QSL card. And, it's > >easy to mix the zulu time with local and have the wrong date when > >zulu time passes into another day. After all, this is supposed to be > >a fun hobby, not a duel to the death. However, I might be a little > >hesitant if NOTHING matches. > > > That is exactly what I have been doing for years with requests for > contact confirmations from my "mini" travels. If all else fits (time, > band, mode, etc.) and the request is only off a letter or a number, > rather than play perfect (I AM NOT) I will allow the benefit of the > doubt and issue a card. > > I do admit to making typos and, although I am somewhat multilingual I > don't ALWAYS write what I thought I heard through the "mini" pileups, > especially when I try to speed the pile by shifting languages QSO to > QSO. > > Ninety percent of the time, since I have never operated from a really > rare place I will take the time to read back a call until I am satisfied > that I have it down correctly. None the less I still make mistakes and > do not believe it right to penalize the other station who, for some > unknown reason, considering I have never operated from anywhere exotic, > may need the contact for an all time new one. > > Then there are those that send signed, blank cards (the implication > being that I can fill in the band / mode that I may need) and request > confirmation for a contact never made! Those never receive the courtesy > of a NIL! > > I am sorry if my procedures offend those that are perfect (:-))! > > Dave, W5WP > > Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news > To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ > This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: FW: [DXR] Take it or leave it.
Fred, et al; Fred Steven wrote: >I think I'll apply a little Yankee common sense if/when discrepancies >arise. If it's obvious that everything matches except for a call >letter (e.g. a Charlie instead of a Tango) or even two if the letters >sound similar (F or S? B or P?), I'll issue a QSL card. And, it's >easy to mix the zulu time with local and have the wrong date when >zulu time passes into another day. After all, this is supposed to be >a fun hobby, not a duel to the death. However, I might be a little >hesitant if NOTHING matches. That is exactly what I have been doing for years with requests for contact confirmations from my "mini" travels. If all else fits (time, band, mode, etc.) and the request is only off a letter or a number, rather than play perfect (I AM NOT) I will allow the benefit of the doubt and issue a card. I do admit to making typos and, although I am somewhat multilingual I don't ALWAYS write what I thought I heard through the "mini" pileups, especially when I try to speed the pile by shifting languages QSO to QSO. Ninety percent of the time, since I have never operated from a really rare place I will take the time to read back a call until I am satisfied that I have it down correctly. None the less I still make mistakes and do not believe it right to penalize the other station who, for some unknown reason, considering I have never operated from anywhere exotic, may need the contact for an all time new one. Then there are those that send signed, blank cards (the implication being that I can fill in the band / mode that I may need) and request confirmation for a contact never made! Those never receive the courtesy of a NIL! I am sorry if my procedures offend those that are perfect (:-))! Dave, W5WP Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] Take it or leave it.
Hello All, Jim Reisert wrote: The DXpedition is under no obligation to QSL a QSO which they did not log correctly. I believe it's OH2BH who's taking the other extreme, if there is a log discrepancy, you must get confirmation from the station whose callsign was actually logged, that they did not work the DX, before the DX logbook is changed and you receive your QSL card. My question to this is: How can Martti go to Dayton with pre printed lables and just hand out the QSL's to the people with just giving their call sign? They didn't carry their QSO data with them to Dayton so that the log could be checked. So KZ2I worked TX0DX but was logged as KZ2E. KZ2E never made a QSO but goes to Dayton and just collect his QSL card for a QSO never made. If Martti is so keen on getting the QSL's off to the right people the least thing you should do check to log first with the data provided by the requester off the QSL! I bet you KZ2E wouldn't get a QSL if he did send a request in the mail with Date, time, and band wrong. food for thought. Stop handing out QSL's at convetions? My cent 73 de Dick -- Dick Grolleman, PA3FQA, N7QA Member : PI4COM (Contestgroup Oude Maas) Homepage: http://www.muurkrant.com/pi4com/index.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] take it or leave it
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 01:29:46PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > this is why i try to keep kz2e, kz2s, kg2i and k2zi as active as > possible on cw. hm. i wonder if any of them worked P5 yet?? > :-))) Send a card and see if anything comes back (?) Back in the late 1970's when my call was w6swe, I got into several pileups where I could also hear w6sp calling the same dx station. I'm sure we each got into logs as the other at times. 73, Bob n7xy Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: FW: [DXR] Take it or leave it.
I've been following this thread with interest since my own little DXpedition (my first) to VO2 Labrador (CQ Zone 2) starts in 27 days (and a wake-up) and I expect I'll be making my share of mistakes in my hand-written logs for what I hope will be thousands of contacts. I think I'll apply a little Yankee common sense if/when discrepancies arise. If it's obvious that everything matches except for a call letter (e.g. a Charlie instead of a Tango) or even two if the letters sound similar (F or S? B or P?), I'll issue a QSL card. And, it's easy to mix the zulu time with local and have the wrong date when zulu time passes into another day. After all, this is supposed to be a fun hobby, not a duel to the death. However, I might be a little hesitant if NOTHING matches. >Also maybe I heard/copied it as KR4DA but typed KR4DT into the LOG it >can happen. > > If you were calling and later you see a callsign in the log which >is off by one letter from yours, it might well be represent a good >QSO with another station. Under no circumstances should a log be >changed without substantial evidence. I hope I can contact everyone and earn a new award: WAHOTW (Worked All Hams Of The World)! HI! See you all on the air in Labrador! 73, Fred K2FRD -- Fred Stevens K2FRD Please visit VO2/K2FRD's Labrador DXpedition 2001 page: http://sites.netscape.net/thefred3/labr1 Or, visit the Otschodela Council Amateur Radio Group's page: http://sites.netscape.net/thefred3/homepage Or, visit K2FRD's personal page: http://sites.netscape.net/thefred3/k2frd Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DXR] take it or leave it
this is why i try to keep kz2e, kz2s, kg2i and k2zi as active as possible on cw. hm. i wonder if any of them worked P5 yet?? :-))) 73 and don't forget to have a good time every now working dx. it ain't ALL work. steve, kz2 didit Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: FW: [DXR] Take it or leave it.
So KR4DA sends me a QSL card for a CONTACT on 20 CW at 2000z. But KR4DT is in my log for that TIME. I am the only one who has the log.. no one else has seen it. Espacially KR4DA. So I CHANGE my log to KR4DT and send him a card. Who screwed up me cause I couldn't copy?? or KR4DA cannot send his call. I bet KR4DA can send it just fine he probably sends it enough over time. Also maybe I heard/copied it as KR4DA but typed KR4DT into the LOG it can happen. "Mills, Wayne N7NG" wrote: > > Right on Lee!! I would like to point out that many of the listings which > appear to be off by one letter in the web log are not errors at all. With > vanity callsigns, most desirable calls are issued and in use. Working many > stations with similar callsigns is very likely. > > If you were calling and later you see a callsign in the log which is off by > one letter from yours, it might well be represent a good QSO with another > station. Under no circumstances should a log be changed without substantial > evidence. This is not a hard-nosed approach, nor is it a statement by the > DXpedition that they don't make errors. It is simply a policy which > recognizes reality. > > Wayne, N7NG/1 -- Bob Middleburg Fl (South Jacksonville) ICQ 13912841 Web Page http://home.earthlink.net/~kr4da Ham Radio Calls: KR4DA FG/KR4DA CQWW 2000 SSB FDXPG Florida DXPedition Group QSL MGR for FG5BG CQWW SSB 2000 ONLY FDXPG Web page http:/members.xoom.com/FDXPG/ Motorcycles CBMMA #4 1977 XS750D 1J7008405 1997 Vmax12J VMOA #504 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] Take it!
--- Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev: > Hi from the top of the world again (depends how you > look at things!) I think your globe is upside down ! hi 73 from top of the world Rag JW5HE PS Have a look on some photos from Svalbard at : http://no.photos.yahoo.com/la5he __ Do You Yahoo!? Organiser sammenkomsten på http://no.invites.yahoo.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] Take it or leave it.
Martti OH2BH had a great discussion of this item in the annual DXCC listing.a worthy read for DXers and DXpeditioners/QSL managers alike! Not sure if that article is on the ARRL web site, but maybe it should be??? 73 --- Steve Wheatley KU9C PO Box 5953 Parsippany NJ 07054-6953 (yes, the -6953 is correct!) U.S.A. Phone: 973.644.5111 Fax:973.644.5053 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] Take it!
Hi from the top of the world again (depends how you look at things!) I am been getting some wonderful private arguments and discussions on my "Take it or leave it" posting earlier. Sadly... no flames yet! If no one, including our very tolerant reflector moderator, has any objections I would like to put up a synopsis (without names) of some of the discussions on this reflector as they are so interesting. In fact, one writer has a solution, a bit unweildy, but nevertheless a solution. I will do it next week if no objections. 73 Lee ZL2AL - ZL7AA, ZL8RI, ZL9CI, VE3OE If you want finite limits - Try WAS or WAZ. If you want a challenge - Try DXCC. The wall starts around 300 P5 is number 334! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
FW: [DXR] Take it or leave it.
Right on Lee!! I would like to point out that many of the listings which appear to be off by one letter in the web log are not errors at all. With vanity callsigns, most desirable calls are issued and in use. Working many stations with similar callsigns is very likely. If you were calling and later you see a callsign in the log which is off by one letter from yours, it might well be represent a good QSO with another station. Under no circumstances should a log be changed without substantial evidence. This is not a hard-nosed approach, nor is it a statement by the DXpedition that they don't make errors. It is simply a policy which recognizes reality. Wayne, N7NG/1 -Original Message- From: Jennings To: DX News Postings Sent: 5/3/2001 04:03 PM Subject: [DXR] Take it or leave it. Hi all With all the recent discussion on logging errors, I discovered this on one current operation's website. "PLEASE NOTE: A number of stations have sent e-mails saying that their call is wrong 'by one letter' in the log, and could we change it. The short answer is no. Getting a good qso is your responsibility at the time you work VP8SDX. If your call, for whatever reason, does not get logged correctly, then you'll need to make another qso. This may sound harsh but it is also fair. Indeed, before DXpeditions were supported by on-line logs, you never got a second chance to get a good contact like you're getting now :-) " That's their rules and if you wish to work them and get a QSL. Different DXpedtions have different rules and views. Consider this... If a DXpedtion works 100,000 contacts and there is a 0.1% logging or transcribing error rate(and I don't think that is unrealistic given tired operators, lack of sleep, lack of food, and raging pileups), the result is that around 100 guys in the DX community are not going to get the contact that they know for sure they made, confirmed. The point of all this is that it's not a perfect world. Nothing is going to change and if you make the perfect QSO for your all time new one, you may not get your all time new one because of someone else's mistake. And that's DXing! If you wish to flame me please reply to me directly. I simply put this up for discussion. 73 Lee ZL2AL - ZL7AA, ZL8RI, ZL9CI, VE3OE If you want finite limits - Try WAS or WAZ. If you want a challenge - Try DXCC. The wall starts around 300 P5 is number 334! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DXR] Take it or leave it.
The VP8SDX website wrote: > Consider this... If a DXpedtion works 100,000 contacts and there is > a 0.1% logging or transcribing error rate(and I don't think that is > unrealistic given tired operators, lack of sleep, lack of food, and raging > pileups), the result is that around 100 guys in the DX community are not > going to get the contact that they know for sure they made, confirmed. 0.1% would be REMARKABLE for this kind of DXpedition, which is really just a portable multi-multi operation. Contest multi-multi operations (the good ones) typically have error rates from 2-5% -- 2% is 200 QSOs out of 10,000. And the contest log checkers (humans and/or software) remove QSO credit from BOTH parties -- the one who logged the call incorrectly gets penalized for the QSO plus up to three additional contacts, while the other party usually only loses the QSO in question. In contest operations, we don't have the benefit of on-line logs to tell us whether a QSO is good or not, so we can go and try to get another one before the contest (read: DXpedition) is over. The DXpedition is under no obligation to QSL a QSO which they did not log correctly. I believe it's OH2BH who's taking the other extreme, if there is a log discrepancy, you must get confirmation from the station whose callsign was actually logged, that they did not work the DX, before the DX logbook is changed and you receive your QSL card. 73 - Jim AD1C = Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, http://www.ad1c.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DXR] Take it or leave it.
Hi all With all the recent discussion on logging errors, I discovered this on one current operation's website. "PLEASE NOTE: A number of stations have sent e-mails saying that their call is wrong 'by one letter' in the log, and could we change it. The short answer is no. Getting a good qso is your responsibility at the time you work VP8SDX. If your call, for whatever reason, does not get logged correctly, then you'll need to make another qso. This may sound harsh but it is also fair. Indeed, before DXpeditions were supported by on-line logs, you never got a second chance to get a good contact like you're getting now :-) " That's their rules and if you wish to work them and get a QSL. Different DXpedtions have different rules and views. Consider this... If a DXpedtion works 100,000 contacts and there is a 0.1% logging or transcribing error rate(and I don't think that is unrealistic given tired operators, lack of sleep, lack of food, and raging pileups), the result is that around 100 guys in the DX community are not going to get the contact that they know for sure they made, confirmed. The point of all this is that it's not a perfect world. Nothing is going to change and if you make the perfect QSO for your all time new one, you may not get your all time new one because of someone else's mistake. And that's DXing! If you wish to flame me please reply to me directly. I simply put this up for discussion. 73 Lee ZL2AL - ZL7AA, ZL8RI, ZL9CI, VE3OE If you want finite limits - Try WAS or WAZ. If you want a challenge - Try DXCC. The wall starts around 300 P5 is number 334! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-news To post a message, DX NEWS items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives available at http://www.mail-archive.com/dx-news%40pro-usa.net/ This is the DXR reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
