[e-gold-list] The Truth about E-Biz and Nothing but the Truth!
A while ago there was a lot of discussion about ebiz. I just received an email from Kenneth Thiesse [EMAIL PROTECTED] the webmaster of ebiz and also for Mr. Depot, the hosting company that hosted ebiz. I found the information interesting to say the least. The reason for this email is that upon reading his rather long email, I saw one point in it that lead me to an other site. Upon looking at this site, I noticed that it was also hosted by Mr. Depot. Since his email is very long, I uploaded it at www.imbicom.co.id/ebiz.html The other site that I mentioned is www.e-told.com What is interesting about this is that one, Kenneth has access to the over 20,000 people in the ebiz email. This e-told is an other e-gold program that costs $25 in e-gold and they pay out a $10 commission of each person that you refer. Now, Ken was involved in the ebiz scam and he admits it as far as only being the webmaster and that he also got scammed by ebiz. This is fine and dandy. I have no problem whit that and I would even give him the benefit of the doubt. What I do have a problem with, and rest assured that this is a personal thing, is that either him, or someone that may have access to the 20,000 plus people that got scammed are now being promoted to this site. BTW, this site is all about the e-gold scams. If this site shows all these 200 scams that they talk about, who decides who is scamming. I just find it very strange that since ebiz has gone under, the same hosting company puts up this site. In my very personal opinion, this is a scam in its self as every member in e-biz has in a way been recutied to join this program by again, the same person that was one of the main people in ebiz. As some will say, just my two cents worth. MIKE --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Resources (was Re: Bogus Company
At 02:29 PM 2/8/2001 -0600, Eric Gaither, Gaithman's E-Gold Exchange wrote: Public Service Announcement from Gaithmans: Please be aware of (yet another!) bogus company claiming to process credit cards and ACH transactions for your company. The company is bogus and is run by a couple of scammers who used to work in the credit card industry. The company is called ACH Finance. The pair running the company is Charles Chambers and his brother, Raymond Chambers. They are knowledgeable of industry guidelines, terminology, and protocols. The message here should be to be wary of unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE) a/k/a SPAM. Here are two resources that may help list members. I own E-Tailer's Digest which is a free discussion list that reaches 2,300 retailers in 49 countries. We discuss "Everything Retail" which includes merchant accounts. If anybody has an "offer" like this, even from a legitimate bank, we would post it to the discussion list and some retailer/etailer someplace in the world would respond. http://www.etailersdigest.com/ A second resource is the Association for International Business (AIB) a not-for-profit international discussion list with 12,000 members in 2000 countries. Members discuss all types of issues related to doing business internationally including merchant accounts and fraud. I am a long-term member (#84) and member of the board The dues are $18 per year, and they take gold! Standard Reserve is paying for one year's membership plus donating money to the AIB for any member who obtains a SR Instant Anywhere account from their site. http://www.aib-world.org/memberbenefits.shtml FWIW George __ George Matyjewicz, President Standard Reserve Corp. -- Atlanta, GA World Wide Currency for the World Wide Web http://www.standardreserve.com mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[e-gold-list] Re: Goldeconomy.com
On 9 Feb 2001, at 9:01, Khurram Khan wrote: I am very surprised to see that there is no mention of GoldMoney whatsoever on the goldeconomy website. I am sure Elwyn will have something about them. BTW, how many do believe that it would make Standard Gold even better if it would eventually accept GoldMoney as part of its a money base. Claude --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldeconomy.com
I am very surprised to see that there is no mention of GoldMoney whatsoever on the goldeconomy website. Khurram Khan May I respectifully point you to our first mention of it at: http://www.goldeconomy.com/thepriceofgold_04.htm A global currency backed by gold? As suggested by Robert Mundell, who received the 1999 Nobel Prize for his pioneering work on the need for a common currency, a new global currency could be named: the intor or the unor. Not surprisingly, the suffix or comes from the French name for gold. Well, if you are reading this page, it means that you already know that e-gold, SR Gold, and soon GoldMoney and 3PGold are leading the way in that direction. Hold on to your gold currencies. AND PLEASE LOOK FOR AN INDEPENDENT VIEWPOINT ON SATURDAY. Dr Elwyn Jenkins The Gold Economy www.goldeconomy.com ++ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldeconomy.com
Gold Economy is certainly to cover these new gold currencies. We will cover all gold-based digital currencies that arise. And Standard Reserve will soon be announcing its new offering being THE EXCHANGE that provides you with E-Gold, GoldMOney, acess to 3P, Standard Gold, USD, and other currencies to come. BTW Use your USD part of the Standard Reserve account to hold USD -- you can access it via your Debit Card (mailing Monday-Wednesday) -- and then purchase any gold currency you wish as you need. What else would you like? Goldeconomy is listening and so is Standard Reserve. Dr Elwyn Jenkins The Gold Economy www.goldeconomy.com ++ --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldeconomy.com
BTW, how many do believe that it would make Standard Gold even better if it would eventually accept GoldMoney as part of its a money base. I've been thinking more and more about StandardGold, because it has confused me. However, the more I think about it, the more I think there is a future for it. However, I have been reluctant to buy it because I am unsure of their asset base, and I don't see the need for an e-gold debit card which costs about $10 a month. If Standard Gold is going to back their currency with e-gold, then the risk associated with placing value in Standard Gold is compounded with the risk associated with e-gold. Should the e-gold servers suffer some unexpected fate, then Standard Gold accounts will probably be frozen until e-gold is back up and running. The advantage to sharing value between e-gold and GoldMoney is that the risks are independent of each other and assets in one location can be used to balance assets in the other location. Standard Gold cannot be used to balance risk against e-gold because they use e-gold as an underlying asset. On the other hand, should Standard Gold diversify their assets, make them public, and create an independent trust, then MY trust in Standard Gold will go up immeasurably. Additionally, these things would go a long way to make me a true believer in Standard Gold: 1) Issue the Debit Cards. 2) Allow me to write personal checks against my Standard Gold Account. 3) Provide an easy method to move value between E-Gold and Standard Reserve, (even if a fee was involved, it needs to be immediate and automatic). If Standard Gold had all of these things going for it, I would become a believer. Sincerely, Craig Haynie --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldeconomy.com
Hello Khurram! 2) Allow me to write personal checks against my Standard Gold Account. I personally would feel a lot better if SR didn't do this. The ability to write checks would be mixing repudiability with nonrepudiability which can lead hassles as most of us have found out. This is what PayByGold and OmniPay are all about. People won't mistake a check for something that is non-repudiable. What I want is to be able to pay my personal bills from my Standard Gold Account without the use of a third-party. I don't want a third-party sending out the checks because I don't like the hassles that arise when checks don't arrive on time. I sent a check through a local OutExchange Check Service 2 weeks ago yesterday, (to myself), and I just got the check yesterday because the check was delayed in being sent out. Sometimes delays like this are OK, but sometimes they are not, and with every layer added to this process comes another layer of delay, especially when things don't work as expected. The other thing that personal checks do is allow the sender to know WHEN the receiver was paid. I don't get this information from third-party OutExchangers, and I don't have the ability to reissue a lost check as easily. I'd like the ability to write my own checks. Craig --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldeconomy.com
On 9 Feb 2001, at 16:55, GoldDirectory.com wrote: What if the E-Gold office burnt to the ground, along with the servers? How long could Standard Reserve operate without the ability to sell some of their e-gold asset base for cash, to accommodate the numerous people that might be drawing money out with their ATM cards? Over the intermediate term, Craig, you are right. But it would not happen overnight. And it would not happen at all if e-gold has a good disaster recovery plan as I am sure they have. Now I know that E-Gold keeps numerous backups, on-site, and off, but there would be a delay before they were able to restore their service. Meanwhile, GoldMoney would be fine. A good disaster recovery plan will get you up in a few hours. Otherwise, it is not a good recovery plan. Claude --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Suggested use for the JP May money hardness scale
I would suggest e-gold and market makers post something like this on their sites. http://home.earthlink.net/~fitz22/may.html (-- Please send me suggestions and I am thinking about a column for pros and cons.) That's marvellous Jeff! I made a link here http://coconutgold.com/ We are linking something unfamiliar with something familiar. (I think it is called 'normalizing'. Since we basically make one to one contact with new e-golders, we might as well educate them while we are at it. An excellent point! "Since we basically make one to one contact with new e-golders, we might as well educate them while we are at it." The "JF Dictum" "Since we basically make one to one contact with new e-golders, we might as well educate them while we are at it." jf --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Big loan yet to be called
Peculiarly enough Australian is one of the few countries that 'use' the US dollar. You cannot go into any shop or spend us dollars in Australia. You have to change them first. I think Duty Free shops may be the exceptionbut exception it is. In this country the Aussie dollar is still king Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here. https://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.asp?cid=129542 subscribe to the gold-today discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldtoday - Original Message - From: "Bob" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Big loan yet to be called Subject: More Than Half Of U.S. Dollars In Circulation Are Circulating Abroad (was Re: ip: NCPA Policy Digest 2-9-01) Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2001 23:21:14 -0500 From: "R. A. Hettinga" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Digital Bearer Settlement List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: 1 At 11:10 AM -0600 on 2/9/01, National Center for Policy Analysis wrote: COUNTRIES "DOLLARIZE" FORMALLY AND INFORMALLY Ecuador, El Salvador, Panama, and a few Caribbean and Pacific island nations now officially use U.S. currency. The process is called "dollarization," and there are a number of economic benefits to countries that do so. o Substituting the strong, stable U.S. dollar for a weaker domestic currency insulates a country from economic shocks such as currency devaluation or runaway inflation because the local government can't inflate the currency. o A stable currency makes economic calculation less risky for business -- and thus makes possible long-term loans at fixed rates, such as mortgages, which were previously unobtainable in those countries. Having foreigners using dollars is nothing new -- it is estimated that 55 percent to 70 percent of the $480 billion in U.S. paper currency in circulation is circulating outside the United States. Many countries have semi- or unofficial ties to our currency. o Argentina, for example, has fixed their peso to equal one dollar, and half the country's bank deposits are in dollars. o Most of Latin America, the former Soviet Union and even Vietnam have heavily dollar-dependent economies -- people often make purchases of big-ticket items like cars in dollars. o It is estimated that Russia has more dollars in circulation than rubles. When Ecuador made the switch, the country swapped $400 million in U.S. Treasuries and other assets for cash through a Miami bank and had the whole caboodle flown down. Source: Emily Yoffe "How Do You Replace the Sucre With the Dollar?" Explainer, Slate, February 7, 2001. For text http://slate.msn.com/code/explainer/explainer.asp?Show=2/7/2001idMessage=7 035 -- - R. A. Hettinga mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Internet Bearer Underwriting Corporation http://www.ibuc.com/ 44 Farquhar Street, Boston, MA 02131 USA "... however it may deserve respect for its usefulness and antiquity, [predicting the end of the world] has not been found agreeable to experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire' -- http://www.constructiongigs.com/ Use gold as money. It's easy. Create a free e-gold account here: http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=101670 ConstructionGigs.com's PGP public key is here: http://www.constructiongigs.com/assets/DH-DSSkey.txt Fingerprint: 3C4D A63F 3C8B 2D7B 7E1A FFE8 9A2E 4D78 CAD6 66B7 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: JF's jp scale
Yes Issac could do that even from when he just started. He also did not have to write dozens of stories before he got one pblished unlike Ray Bradbury who wrote 1000 short stories before he got one accepted. Kind regards, Michael Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com - Original Message - From: "Jeff Fitzmyers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: "e-gold Discussion" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 4:45 PM Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: JF's jp scale Yes, that was my mistake. I flip things around sometimes. You know, I heard a rumor that Issac Asimov said he ~never did rough drafts -- he could just spew forth a book all at once and not look back. (his editor though?) I find that pretty amazing and aspire to it someday :) jf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps that column heading should be "revocable?", Jeff? Hi jpm RE your interpretation. I think you may have the sense of 'irrevocability' reversed. Credit cards are the softest and most revocable of currencies and are therefore NOT 'irrevocable', while cash (at least technically) cannot be revoced and is therefore Really 'irrevocable'. If I'm wrong on this, I stand corrected, but I think a dictionary will confirm the meaning of 'irrevocable' to mean 'not revocable'... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest e-gold and market makers post something like this on their sites. http://home.earthlink.net/~fitz22/may.html (-- Please send me suggestions and I am thinking about a column for pros and cons.) That's marvellous Jeff! I made a link here http://coconutgold.com/ The "JF Dictum": "Since we basically make one to one contact with new e-golders, we might as well educate them while we are at it." --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Big loan yet to be called
At 12:16 AM -0500 2/10/01, Bob wrote: When Ecuador made the switch, the country swapped $400 million in U.S. Treasuries and other assets for cash through a Miami bank and had the whole caboodle flown down. ha! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Goldeconomy.com
Elwyn Jenkins wrote: snip A global currency backed by gold? As suggested by Robert Mundell, who received the 1999 Nobel Prize for his pioneering work on the need for a common currency, Elwyn, Mundell is a screaming *statist*. The whole point to starting a Euro is to *federalize* all of Europe. They have already started a European *army*. NATO was not enough! "pioneering"? Schmyaneering. His idea is just part of another statist con job on the Europeans. A common currency isn't going to do them any good untill they make a *radical* change to a free market like economy. Why do you think the FX market has been stomping on the Euro? Or do you think a true free market, the FX (well over US$ a trill a day), is wrong? Mundel is just another mouthpiece for the statists. Most economists are. Otherwise most of 'em couldn't make a living. There are just not that many productive uses for economist. The world just doesn't need many of them. a new global currency could be named: the intor or the unor. Not surprisingly, the suffix or comes from the French name for gold. Well, if you are reading this page, it means that you already know that e-gold, SR Gold, and soon GoldMoney and 3PGold are leading the way in that direction. Were is your evidence that e-gold, GoldMoney and 3PGold is "leading the way", or will be, with this "or" thing of yours and Mundell's? Subject: e-gold: Robert Mundell Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 14:29:14 -0500 From: bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: ConstructionGigs.com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just got my AIER (American Institute for Economic Research) research report. http://www.aier.org/ The title of the main article is 'The 1999 Nobel Prize in Economics'. By AIER Faculty Associate John H. Wood. Dr. Wood is Reynolds Professor of Economics at Wake Forest University. Basically it says that Mundell used to be a Keynesian, used the Phillips Curve, etc. See Robert Mundell, "The appropriate Use of Monetary and Fiscal Policy," IMF, 1962; "Capital Mobility and Stabilization Policy under Fixed and Flexible Exchange Rates," Canadian Jour. Econ. and Pol. Sci., 1963; and "A Theory of Optimum Currency Areas," Am. Econ. Rev., 1961 However, before the 60's were over he, without recanting his work that the Nobel Prize was *for* (geesh, where are the heads of the people that decide the winner? Don't answer that. :)), turned his back on that work. Before the sixties were over he predicted that "the inflationary policies that he and others had recommended would lead to the breakdown of the Bretton-Woods system of fixed exchange rates linked to gold." (Boy, did they ever. I wonder if the guys that made big time profits from the volatility that followed ever sent thank you notes to the bureaubrats that were responsible. :) And they say free markets need to be controlled by governments. And, again, who caused the recent volatility (profit oportunity) in gold prices? The gang of 15 of course. JP, did you send your 15 thank you notes? :) Mundell in his Nobel Lecture, "A Reconsideration of the 20th Century": "The main thing we miss today is a universal money, a standard of value, the link between the past and the future and the cement of civilization linking remote parts of the human race." (Think about it. This guy doesn't know that it's already here. Or maybe he does and is keeping a tight lip.) Mundel again: "...The absence of gold as an intrinsic part of our monetary system today makes our century, the one that has just passed, unique in several thousand years." OK Mundel. Put your money where your mouth is. Open an e-gold account. Anybody got his e-mail address? :) Bob "Being the victim of tyranny rarely makes a man opposed to tyranny. It makes him opposed to being on the wrong end of the whip." - Lizard "If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its freedom, and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it values more, it will lose that, too." - Somerset Maugham -- http://www.constructiongigs.com/ Use gold as money. It's easy. Create a free e-gold account here: http://www.e-gold.com/e-gold.asp?cid=101670 ConstructionGigs.com's PGP public key is here: http://www.constructiongigs.com/assets/DH-DSSkey.txt Fingerprint: 3C4D A63F 3C8B 2D7B 7E1A FFE8 9A2E 4D78 CAD6 66B7 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
