[e-gold-list] test

2001-05-17 Thread Phillip Stevens


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[e-gold-list] WARNING! (the persistent e-Qold scammer)

2001-05-17 Thread James M. Ray

This person has moved ISPs AGAIN.  He's now on Verio.net.  We've
emailed both the ISP and the DNS people covering E-Glox.  He's still
using Network Solutions for e-golx etc. There's still not even a hint of
SSL encryption on this scammer's site. Sigh...

Anyway, WARNING! Don't respond to spam! Do look at what you're
going to click on BEFORE you click on it! If you feel the urge, you're
welcome to enter FALSE! information on his site or do anything else
creative (ahem!) you feel would help. Please be careful out there! If
you have any questions, please feel free to e-mail me, but when in
doubt DO NOT enter sensitive information on ANY site! Thanks.
JMR


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[e-gold-list] RE: WARNING! (the persistent e-Qold scammer)

2001-05-17 Thread Samuel Mc Kee

Unbelievable!

As a public service to all the potential scam victims out there, I can
provide a service that will tell you if your password has been compromised.
Just e-mail me your account number and password, and I'll tell you if your
account has been compromised.



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[e-gold-list] RE: WARNING! (the persistent e-Qold scammer)

2001-05-17 Thread Viking Coder

 As a public service to all the potential scam victims out there, I can
 provide a service that will tell you if your password has been compromised.
 Just e-mail me your account number and password, and I'll tell you if your
 account has been compromised.

Okay.

My acct# is 42
My passphrase is D... hey, wait a minute! how much is the service going to
cost me? :)


Viking Coder

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[e-gold-list] Same 'ol

2001-05-17 Thread Bob

 The Republican promise reneged
 --
 by Jacob Halbrooks
For years the Republicans have been promising less
government and lower taxes, but with control of Congress
and now the White House, they have not delivered. 
Halbrooks explains why they are not honoring, and will
never honor, this promise.  (05/01)
 http://www.geocities.com/libertarian_press/republicans.html

They must be at it again (since the beginning of this year):
U.S. Money Growth: Words Unnecessary
http://www.goldensextant.com/commentary16.html#anchor84178

It takes a while to load, but worth the wait.

Bob

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[e-gold-list] Ozzigold.com Special

2001-05-17 Thread Phillip Stevens

Australian e-gold users,

For the rest of May, Ozzigold.com has reduced it's entry-level service fee. 
A service fee of 6.5% is now added to each order of e-gold.


Thankyou.

Regards,
www.ozzigold.com.

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[e-gold-list] Re: Same 'ol

2001-05-17 Thread Julian Morrison

Bob wrote:
 
  The Republican promise reneged
  --
  by Jacob Halbrooks
 For years the Republicans have been promising less
 government and lower taxes, but with control of Congress
 and now the White House, they have not delivered.
 Halbrooks explains why they are not honoring, and will
 never honor, this promise.  (05/01)
  http://www.geocities.com/libertarian_press/republicans.html
 
 They must be at it again (since the beginning of this year):
 U.S. Money Growth: Words Unnecessary
 http://www.goldensextant.com/commentary16.html#anchor84178
 
 It takes a while to load, but worth the wait.

Bush is probably the most libertarian leader that could currently be
electable. He has already done a lot of very sensible things - dropping
kyoto, relaxing green blocks on power production, scuppering the OECD
all your money are belong to us initiative, etc. Enemy of my enemy,
and don't look gift horses in the mouth. For the moment at least.

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[e-gold-list] Re: Same 'ol

2001-05-17 Thread Samuel Mc Kee



 Enemy of my enemy,
 and don't look gift horses in the mouth. For the moment at least.


Agreed. Dubya is at least good enough for government work, as my dad used
to say.

Every year hundreds of people hurt themselves tripping over shoelaces that
aren't properly tied. If Algore had been elected there would probably
already be a multibillion-dollar Department of Shoe-Tying, most likely with
bipartisan support, to spend a mountain of cash on Shoe-Tying Awareness.

Okay, maybe not. But the DST is less looney than some of Algore's real
proposals and at least slightly more looney than Dubya's most left-leaning
ideas.



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[e-gold-list] Re: Same 'ol

2001-05-17 Thread Bob

Julian Morrison wrote:
 
 Bob wrote:
 
   The Republican promise reneged
   --
   by Jacob Halbrooks
  For years the Republicans have been promising less
  government and lower taxes, but with control of Congress
  and now the White House, they have not delivered.
  Halbrooks explains why they are not honoring, and will
  never honor, this promise.  (05/01)
   http://www.geocities.com/libertarian_press/republicans.html
 
  They must be at it again (since the beginning of this year):
  U.S. Money Growth: Words Unnecessary
  http://www.goldensextant.com/commentary16.html#anchor84178
 
  It takes a while to load, but worth the wait.
 
 Bush is probably the most libertarian leader that could currently be
 electable. He has already done a lot of very sensible things - dropping
 kyoto, 

Good.

relaxing green blocks on power production, 

The latest I read is the Artic is now off limits (again) to new 
oil production. He reneged again.

scuppering the OECD
 all your money are belong to us initiative, etc. 

Scuppered not. The battle isn't won yet. The OECD is taking
a new tack.

Enemy of my enemy,
 and don't look gift horses in the mouth. For the moment at least.

Well, I stretched my brain as far as possible to see Bush as a gift
horse, and couldn't pull off that feat. Gift horse: as in getting
something for nothing? I don't believe I can get something for
nothing. Particularly from a politician or a government.

He's just about as far from Libertarianism as Gore is.

Bob
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[e-gold-list] Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords

2001-05-17 Thread Bob

Subject: 
Sierra Times: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords
  Date: 
Fri, 11 May 2001 10:25:41 -0400
  From: 
R. A. Hettinga [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 
Digital Bearer Settlement List [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Title of Nobility indeed... ;-).

Cheers,
RAH


http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/may/11/geddc051101.htm


An Internet Publication For Real Americans Home  Editorials 
Commentary


Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords
by Don Cline 05.11.01

BANKS

Bank of America has now arbitrarily decided, like Citibank before it,
that
it will not provide merchant services to any firearm-related business.
Citibank finally rescinded that stupid tyranny after half the people in
this country raised hell and threatened to close their accounts and the
same groundswell of opinion must be brought to bear against Bank of
America.

However, there is more to it than that. We have here one of the most
dangerous tyrannies our nation has ever faced. We are, literally, right
on
the hairy edge of a government-sanctioned plan where you get with the
political program designed for you or you don't eat or pay rent. There
are
three separate threads of tyranny coming together here.

For some time now, Bank of America (and most other banks) have required
a
fingerprint of any non-accountholder who wanted to cash a check --
specifically, a payroll check. They claim, falsely, they need to do this
to
stop check fraud. The claim is false because it is very easy to stop
check
fraud -- but they won't employ the means to do it because if they did,
they
wouldn't have any grounds to force electronic money down our throats or
demand a fingerprint as a condition of cashing a paper check.

I talked to the retired FBI agent who designed this inkless fingerprint
system the banks are using to force us into their system. I pointed out
that requiring a fingerprint from me as a condition of cashing a payroll
check and thereby providing me with my own property lawfully due me --
my
wages, in legal tender -- was a direct and egregious violation of many
of
my rights.

First of all, the fingerprint is not used for identification. It is
merely
kept on file in case the check turns out to be fraudulent. That is the
very
definition of a warrantless and a priori restraint on my rights to
privacy
and due process in the absence of probable cause of wrong-doing.

Secondly, I have a right to my property -- my wages -- and this is a
violation of my right to receive my property lawfully due me.

Thirdly, this is twice a violation of my right to be secure from
impairment
of contract -- once a violation of the contract between myself and my
employer in which he agrees to pay me for my services and once because
the
purpose of this is to force me to open a bank account, thereby becoming
subject to the surveillance of my financial affairs afforded by the Bank
Secrecy Act.

The retired FBI agent dismissed all that with the statement that he
didn't
care; all he was doing was supplementing his government retirement by
designing this program for the banks. Then he said, Anyway, your
fingerprints are already all over this payroll check. Why do you care if
we
require you to put your fingerprint on it before we cash it?

If my fingerprints are all over the check, why do you need me to put my
fingerprint on it? I asked in reply.

Oh, uh, well ... he hemmed and hawed, because it has to be
voluntary,
he admitted.

Uh-huh. It has to be voluntary so that a few years from now when all of
our fingerprints are loaded into a database and we no longer have any
financial privacy at all, we can't complain about it because we
volunteered
now.
Right?

Well ... I can't get into that. He terminated our conversation and
walked
away.

Two years after the fingerprint program started, they tightened the
noose.
Suddenly you had to give a fingerprint and show two forms of
identification, both of which had to be from an approved list. Every
form
of identification on that approved list was a bank card of some kind
with
the exception that a department store membership card was acceptable
as
one of
the two forms of identification.

A year later they tightened the noose still further. Now you need a
fingerprint, two forms of identification from an approved list and you
need
to pay a fee to collect your own wages in legal tender.

Now, guess what...all the alternative methods of cashing your payroll
check, such as supermarket customer service kiosks, are now refusing
cash
checks at all. They have now installed RPM machines where you have to
punch in your government-issued serial number (Social Security Number)
so
they can look at
your credit history. The machine then takes your digital picture so they
can identify you in a crowd at the next Super Bowl, you insert your
check
and punch in the amount and it gives you the cash -- less a 1.75%
(minimum)
processing fee rounded off to the next highest dollar because the

[e-gold-list] Re: Same 'ol

2001-05-17 Thread Julian Morrison

Bob wrote:
 relaxing green blocks on power production,
 
 The latest I read is the Artic is now off limits (again) to new
 oil production. He reneged again.

Nah. At most he'll greenwash it. Al G. woulda slapped in nationwide
price fixing, and tried to force the electricity industry to employ
unionized workers by the thousands to pedal their way to power
generation on excercise bikes. Or made public power contribution and
healthy excercise pedalling compulsory by every household. Or just
plain told everyone to go back to horse-and-buggy and hand-waved fans.
 
 scuppering the OECD
  all your money are belong to us initiative, etc.
 
 Scuppered not. The battle isn't won yet. The OECD is taking
 a new tack.

But Bush is their enemy - he sees plainly enough that the USA is the
worlds biggest tax haven and stands the most in harm's way.
 
 Enemy of my enemy,
  and don't look gift horses in the mouth. For the moment at least.
 
 Well, I stretched my brain as far as possible to see Bush as a gift
 horse, and couldn't pull off that feat. Gift horse: as in getting
 something for nothing? I don't believe I can get something for
 nothing. Particularly from a politician or a government.

Gift horse as in: getting a helluva lot more than anyone could have
expected. Most politicians would have handwaved kyoto through and at
most stalled the ratification. Most would have compromised away the
tax cut idea into a blatant tax raise plus handouts for their good
buddies. Most would have dropped the missile protection thing by now.

Modulo the deliberate weakness of the executive in a checks-and-blances
system, Bush basically seems to have taken the I said it so I'll do it
attitude that's normally only prevalent in politicians with no chance of
ever getting a chance to do.

 He's just about as far from Libertarianism as Gore is.

That's silly. Nobody could say the Moon is only a short walk away, but
it's still kinda near compared to Andromeda.

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[e-gold-list] Metal Escrow Prices!

2001-05-17 Thread Sidd

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[e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords

2001-05-17 Thread Julian Morrison

Much nastyness. But in any free enough system, bypassing all that cruft
carries a competitive advantage.

I predict by 2020 fiat money will be an amusing anachronism.

I also predict laws will try to put the genie back in the bottle between
now and then - I hope e-gold, goldmoney etc have taken steps to guard
themselves against any local (or UN/OECD/etc international) sneaky
confiscation attempts and ownership bans.

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[e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords

2001-05-17 Thread Viking Coder

 I predict by 2020 fiat money will be an amusing anachronism.
 

Remember JPM's last stats contest?

http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg03208.html

If e-gold continues to grow at the phenomenal rate it has had for the past
2 years, e-gold's usage will match that of the Swiss France in 2 years
(May 2003).

This same growth rate will have e-gold's usage match that of the US Dollar
in early 2005.


Viking Coder

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http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder

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[e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords

2001-05-17 Thread Julian Morrison

Viking Coder wrote:
 
  I predict by 2020 fiat money will be an amusing anachronism.
 
 
 Remember JPM's last stats contest?
 
 http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg03208.html
 
 If e-gold continues to grow at the phenomenal rate it has had for the past
 2 years, e-gold's usage will match that of the Swiss France in 2 years
 (May 2003).
 
 This same growth rate will have e-gold's usage match that of the US Dollar
 in early 2005.

My pessimism in estimate is basically allowing for thieving-bastard laws
trying to ban or tax or hyper-regulate e-gold, plus the rather broad
cultural gap between popular online and popular offline. That is
unless e-gold can bridge that gap early and grow fast enough to do an
end-run around the legislatures. They'll know they're safe at last when
it reaches the point where giving them grief would trigger an instant
no-confidence recession.

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[e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords

2001-05-17 Thread Viking Coder

 My pessimism in estimate is basically allowing for thieving-bastard laws
 trying to ban or tax or hyper-regulate e-gold, plus the rather broad
 cultural gap between popular online and popular offline. That is
 unless e-gold can bridge that gap early and grow fast enough to do an
 end-run around the legislatures. They'll know they're safe at last when
 it reaches the point where giving them grief would trigger an instant
 no-confidence recession.

The credit card companies have one thing over e-gold that will make it
hard to break into the popular offline group; namely, credit.  You can
use your credit card without having the money on hand; can't do that with
e-gold. Though that would be a strange turn of events... if the credit
card companies noticed/accepted e-gold and adapted their systems to work
with e-gold. It would only be a little different than the fractional
reserve currencies (such as digigold, and standard reserve's future
offering).

To get the popular offline group will mean recruiting the merchants before
recruiting the consumers.

Is anybody working on a POS (point of service) terminal to allow
(somewhat) offline e-gold transactions to occur? This could be as simple
as hooking a PDA up to a wireless modem, or a PCS cell phone.


Viking Coder

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http://www.2cw.org/VikingCoder

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[e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords

2001-05-17 Thread David Hillary


- Original Message -
From: Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:35 PM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords


  I predict by 2020 fiat money will be an amusing anachronism.
 

 Remember JPM's last stats contest?

 http://www.mail-archive.com/e-gold-list@talk.e-gold.com/msg03208.html

 If e-gold continues to grow at the phenomenal rate it has had for the past
 2 years, e-gold's usage will match that of the Swiss France in 2 years
 (May 2003).

 This same growth rate will have e-gold's usage match that of the US Dollar
 in early 2005.


 Viking Coder

This is a very good reason to suspect that the rates of growth of the last
two years should not be projected forward for the next 5 or 20.

e-gold will face stiff competition from USD denominated private currencies
offering instant clearing payments, privacy and non-reversable payments.
Ditto for the euro.

The move seems clear: domestic sourced income can be taxed at source,
domestic consumption can be taxed at point of sale/value adding or import,
but the spending of money and holding of financial assets will offer greater
and greater privacy, as individuals transfer funds easily and cheaply from
non-private employment/wage earnings and bank accounts to private financial
systems. Thus all financial capital will be the same, foreign and domestic,
because domestic capital can be turned into foreign capital look-alike
capital, and then spent without a trace. Foreign sourced income will become
untaxed reasonably soon in most countries, and thus governments will raise
revenue from:
1. taxation of wage income at source (or on payrolls) in the formal economy
2. taxation of company/business income derived from the economy
3. taxation of sales of goods and services (i.e. GST and VAT and sales
taxes)

These taxes will not be able to cover or collect all income earned or all
spending, but it is difficult to hide any thing but small business and
casual labour. Thus governments may in fact provide exemption of casual
transactions and the revenues of very small businesses. The inefficiencies
of these exemptions could be minimised by the use of GST, because the vast
bulk of output goes through the formal economy. e.g. suppose there was a GST
of 10% which applies to businesses with turnover of $200 000 or more per
year, and to importers importing over $200 000 p.a. This means individuals
directly importing goods (e.g. internet purchases) will be exempt, but the
lost revenue involved will be small because this will never be even a
moderate proportin of consumption. It means small time traders will be
exempt, but again this would only exempt a small fraction of consumption.
Many very small businesses and contractors, provide the bulk of their
services to larger businesses in the formal economy. So while they will not
charge GST, their customers cannot claim any back from them. Thus because
most goods/services go through businesses turning over difficult to hide
sums, exemptions on low turnover businesses costs little revenue, while
freeing small businesses and individuals from both disclosure and compliance
costs.
By comparison income taxation is more difficult to to intnroduce disclosure
exemptions without causing larger losses of revenue and distortions to the
structure of production and consumption (i.e. production by smaller
businesses to avoid taxation). Income taxation is also venerable to transfer
pricing and other means of minimising/avoiding/evading, and requires
depreciation calculations and can be livied at different rates on different
sources of income. I therefore predict that income taxation will be cut
right back, in particular, foreign sourced income will not be taxed at all,
income taxation systems will be flatter, deductables will only be available
via refunds from the tax office (perhaps on a monthly basis), corporate
taxation will be low and flat.

The typical OECD country in 2020 might impost a 10% GST with a substantial
reporting exemption for low turnover businesses (e.g. 3-5 times the average
wage), a 10% corporate income tax and a 10% personal income tax, with a
deductable of about half the average wage. Wage and interest income would be
taxed at a uniform 10% regardless of source and the tax office would
estimate each month the income and refund the appropriate amount. This type
of system might raise about  15% of GDP, with land tax raising another 3% of
GDP for local government and moderate taxes on tobacco and alcohol raising
another 1% or so. Total government spending would be a shade under 20% of
GDP.

David Hillary


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[e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords

2001-05-17 Thread David Hillary


- Original Message -
From: Viking Coder [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: e-gold Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 2:21 PM
Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Banks, Guns, and Feudal Lords


  My pessimism in estimate is basically allowing for thieving-bastard laws
  trying to ban or tax or hyper-regulate e-gold, plus the rather broad
  cultural gap between popular online and popular offline. That is
  unless e-gold can bridge that gap early and grow fast enough to do an
  end-run around the legislatures. They'll know they're safe at last when
  it reaches the point where giving them grief would trigger an instant
  no-confidence recession.

 The credit card companies have one thing over e-gold that will make it
 hard to break into the popular offline group; namely, credit.  You can
 use your credit card without having the money on hand; can't do that with
 e-gold. Though that would be a strange turn of events... if the credit
 card companies noticed/accepted e-gold and adapted their systems to work
 with e-gold. It would only be a little different than the fractional
 reserve currencies (such as digigold, and standard reserve's future
 offering).

 To get the popular offline group will mean recruiting the merchants before
 recruiting the consumers.

 Is anybody working on a POS (point of service) terminal to allow
 (somewhat) offline e-gold transactions to occur? This could be as simple
 as hooking a PDA up to a wireless modem, or a PCS cell phone.


 Viking Coder

The way to make e-gold to offer credit is to provide more than currency,
i.e. brokerage accounts. Thus individuals would hold shares and other
financial assets, and some proportion of what is held could be lent, e.g.
40%. This could be used as personal credit or for purchases.

David Hillary


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[e-gold-list] Citibank and HYIPs

2001-05-17 Thread Ben Legume

Suggestion: Why don't all those who owe Citibank via personal or 
business loans or credit cards write or call them and explain that, 
as gun owners and shooting enthusiasts, they will be only too happy 
to blacklist Citibank and not pay back their loans. Also, ring them 
up from a payphone and ask whether their security guards are going to 
stop carrying firearms, and ask if they can find out when this policy 
is going to take effect, because you and some friends are quite 
interested.

Incidentally, this example of a classic real-life HYIP/Ponzi is worth 
a peruse

http://www.smh.com.au/news/0105/18/pageone/pageone7.html


I post stories like this every day to my weblog

http://leviathan.weblogs.com

For those interested.



Text:

Steiner school families lose millions to shady investor 

When Peter Krack, the man in the white shoes, spun his tales of huge 
profits, some people believed him. Now they have lost everything, 
writes Paul Barry.

A group of Australian investors has lost millions of dollars by 
sending money offshore to a man promising returns of up to 1200 per 
cent a year.

The self-styled investment guru Peter Krack vowed he would make them 
rich, solve their financial problems and bring them freedom. Instead, 
he appears to have wiped out their life savings. 

People in the United States, Germany, Holland and Switzerland have 
also lost millions of dollars in what looks like a huge financial 
scam. 

Almost all the Australian investors met Krack through the Rudolf 
Steiner movement, which has some 40 schools in Australia and about 
800 worldwide.

Many went to seminars he gave at Steiner House in Sydney or Samford 
Valley School in Brisbane in 1995 and 1998. 

The rest heard about Krack through friends in the Steiner movement, 
even though it did not officially sanction him, and trusted him 
because of it.

It is not clear how many people sent Krack their hard-earned money, 
but one Brisbane family will lose at least $450,000 if their 
investment is not repaid. 

Another family in northern NSW is facing a loss of $350,000, and a 
German investor has waved goodbye to more than $US600,000 ($1.1 
million).

In addition, the Herald understands that three Swiss investors have 
lost between 50,000 ($55,000) and several million Swiss francs.

Ms Sally Wilson, a Sydney nurse who sent Krack $150,000 in October 
1997 on the promise of a more modest 24 per cent annual return, did 
not meet the man who calls himself an international financial 
investment adviser until two months after she had parted with her 
money.

If I'd seen him first, I would never have invested, she said this 
week. He had white shoes and a white suit, and I knew at once that I 
didn't like him.

But invest she did, along with many others. A fax from Peter Krack 
assured her that it was a good, immediate and secured investment. 

And since her friend Ms Diane Watkin, who runs the Michael School in 
Leichhardt, was already an enthusiastic supporter of Krack's, she 
decided to risk it for three months. She had just sold her home in 
Balgowlah and converted all her worldly goods into cash.

On Krack's instructions, Ms Wilson sent $150,000 - almost everything 
she had - to an account at the Bank Romania in Bucharest. It was the 
last she ever saw of it. 

In February 1998, when she tried to get the money back, all she got 
 from Krack was excuses. Three years later, she still hasn't received 
a cent, she is living in rented accommodation, and rues her mistake: 
It sounded good to be true, and it was.

Ms Wilson has complained to the Australian Securities and Investments 
Commission and the NSW Fraud Squad, but both have told her they can 
do nothing. 

Another Sydney woman who entrusted her savings to Krack sent $10,000 
offshore in two separate transfers - the first in 1996 to an account 
at a bank in Monaco, the second in 1998 to a bank in Liechtenstein. 
She, too, has been unable to get it back. 

Three times, Krack has promised her a payment.Three times his 
promises have come to nothing. I guess I was naive and gullible, but 
I thought I might make $30,000 and I really needed the money, she 
said.

Peter Krack first came to Australia in August 1995 with glowing 
tributes from a Hungarian author, Georg Kuhlewind, a highly respected 
figure in the Steiner movement, which believes in bio-dynamic farming 
and an arts-centred, nature-based, curative education.

Potential investors in Australia were told that Krack had solved the 
financial problems of Hungary's Waldorf schools by using his 
investment skills to make millions. Here, it was promised, he could 
do the same, and make money for cash-strapped parents, too. He would 
be their Robin Hood, stealing from the rich to give to the poor.

And he would help them do good, because part of their profits would 
go to Steiner schools.

In Sydney, about 50 people turned up to hear him speak. In Brisbane, 
he attracted a similar crowd. Newsletters followed from local 
enthusiasts,