[e-gold-list] You dirty rat - James Cagney
All right. Who knocked me out of the game? Come on. Spill it. :) If this wasn't a margin call, and you don't want to be short anymore, I'll go short if you want to go long. historic? Ya can bet ya butt it is! Show me another round the clock world wide gold market. Even after we have to start paying the vig, it'll still be a mind blower. It's almost certain that you know what price your order will be filled at. Try and find that today anywhere in the world. This is a gold mind, and not just for Bamdex. What's needed here is *liquidity*. One of the reasons Bamdex doesn't have liquidity is that there is no way to *communicate* efficiently that it exists, to those in a position to play. Still, not even a peep out of the indecisive Melbourne office, one way or the other, about spend confirmation page ads. Go head Melbourne. Keep it up. Pretty soon you'll be known as The Gang (GBC) that couldn't shoot straight. The McHales Navy of the GBC industry. The F Troop of the GBC industry. The Stupid Pet Tricks (thank you David Letterman) specialists of the GBC industry. Traders *will* go where the most liquidity is. That's a promise. Bamdex should go with the GBC that can provide the means to develope the most liquidity. And once that's established with a GBC, I can't see a reason for Bamdex to try another GBC. Not with easy switching between GBCs already here. There's Cambist.net, and some others. Who are you others? Claude? Eric? Bamdex should turn into something really really *big*. Ya hear that Melbourne? Hello ... hello ... .. well, there were a few signs of life from Jim and Jay recently. But signs of life in the long run don't cut it. If ya have the auto pilot on, I hope you guys at least have a look out on deck. Bob The matchbot has spoken: Subject: Your contract has been closed Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2001 06:44:30 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bamdex member number: 3014 Contract: # 9900111 contract: IFGETD USD against e-gold up or down: 'ups' Has now been closed out. (Either you closed it, or, the matching side closed it, or it was automatically closed because either your side or the other side exhausted margin.) Was created at: 2001-07-09 20:41:47 at $ 266.70 USD per ounce (116.62 grams per thousand dollars) And is now out at: at $ 269.20 USD per ounce (115.54 grams per thousand dollars) Profit/Loss: 1.08 grams has been added to your account (Profit/loss is calculated by difference in g.p.t. values.) Your account details will now include one new historic contract entry and one new journal entry. The margin required for this contract is released. Review your account details at Bamdex site: http://www.bamdex.com End. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Oh, NO! It's happened again! Grrrr
www.aeabank.com is not even an active website! Search on Asia-Europe-Americas Bank of Seattle and you'll get virtually nothing! So who has ever really seen this bank? What about real Mexican or Canadian banks in the ACH? Any suggestions? (Last time I checked you had to have a Mexican address to open a Mexican bank account, but this should be cheaper than a maildrop in the United States (of America).) Ian Green http://two-cents-worth.com/?107242 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] SNIP I would recommend Asia-Europe-Americas Bank of Seattle, WA (www.aeabank.com) to any non-residents of USA who are seeking to open an account there. I believe AEA maintain a correspondent account with Bank of America. Whether this allows direct cash deposits I don't know, as I'm not familiar with the domestic US credit transfer system. I believe it's possible through ACH??? I find it's generally better to deal with small banks like this where you can develop personal relationships with people who actually make an effort to understand your business, rather than faceless big banks. offshoresurfer SNIP --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Oh, NO! It's happened again! Grrrr
www.aeabank.com is not even an active website! Search on Asia-Europe-Americas Bank of Seattle and you'll get virtually nothing! So who has ever really seen this bank? What about real Mexican or Canadian banks in the ACH? Any suggestions? (Last time I checked you had to have a Mexican address to open a Mexican bank account, but this should be cheaper than a maildrop in the United States (of America).) My apologies, I got the URL slightly wrong as I was going from memory. It should have been http://www.aea-bank.com You can also find their secured credit card for non-US residents at http://www.creditnet.com I'm not aware of Mexican banks participating in ACH but you probably know more than I do. I can open an account for you at Banamex, now part of Citibank, if you wish, no Mexican address required since we provide one and send everything to you by courier. You get a Gold Mastercard and internet banking too. But there is a fee involved and it's more than a US maildrop. As I recall, the Dutch post also handles clearing through ACH ... try http://www.globalcollect.nl Best offshoresurfer --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: AEA Bank
'aeabank.com'. I see again (like other US Banks) they require USD$10,000 to open a bank account for a business! (USD$5,000 for an individual.) ... Yes, that is new. A few months ago it was $100 but I guess they got too many timewasters. Let's face it a bank can't service HYIP enthusiasts with $100 in their accounts and make money. Likewise, the monthly fees on US bank accounts dwarf the average Australian bank account keeping fees and shows how reasonable the e-gold agio fee really is! I have emailed them for any special rates they might have. Agreed about e-gold. You will really freak if you look at the fees for their credit card on the site I just posted! But people are prepared to pay this so who am I to complain :) They are the only US bank I know of which actively targets Russians... you can even get their account opening forms in Russian. offshoresurfer --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] e-bullion
Do these guys have a Merchant Interface yet? Where's the doco? JP! --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] the feds
I can attest to the accuracy of Craig's complaints and predictions about the US government. The man who wrote the article E-Money: Paradise or Prison (http://www.goldbankone.com/article.php?sid=77) is a friend of mine, Franklin Sanders. Mr. Sanders has been a gold bullion dealer since the mid seventies. Back in the early eighties he innocently started a gold bank in which people could open accounts denominated in grams of gold. It was basically a paper and ink version of e-gold, 100% backed, with a 1% agio fee. Little did Mr. Sanders know, this was a big no-no. Even though there were no US Laws prohibiting this kind of business (since Nixon relegalized private ownership of gold in 73), within six months he was subjected to investigation and attack by the Tennessee Department of Revenue, the Internal Revenue Service, and the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms (BATF). The BATF raided his family farm in the wee hours of the morning in full SWAT gear, a technique that has become a hallmark of federal agencies in the past decade. Mr. Sanders is convinced that they did so in the hopes that he would, not realizing it was a police raid, attempt to defend his family from the masked invaders in the night, resulting in his death. Thankfully, he did not resist, and he and his family escaped with their lives, if not their dignity. (His ten year old daughter was subjected to a strip search at gunpoint - another signature move by perverted BATF agents.) Not content to have destroyed his business, the IRS publically named Mr. Sanders as, the most dangerous man in the mid-South. The IRS persecuted him with a federal jury trial, which he amazingly won. Not willing to lose so easily, the IRS then transferred several personnel to the Tennessee Department of Revenue which prosecuted him for failing to pay state sales tax on the sale of gold bullion. Mr. Sanders argued that the gold bullion he was selling was US Gold Eagle coinage from the US Mint which was official legal tender, and therefore not subject to sales tax. (Money changers are not required to pay sales tax in any state of the US.) The court convicted him anyway and sentenced him to a year in jail, reduced to sixty days, which he served in 1999. When I discussed with Mr. Sanders the idea of starting an electronic gold digital currency back in 1997, his response to me was, Ken, if you do that, the US government will stop you at any cost. They will try to kill you. This man speaks from personal experience. He isn't a conspiracy theorist. Just an honest country-boy who thought the law giving US citizens the right to own gold meant what it said. Did he ever get an education. I know other honest people who have had similar experiences with federal agencies. In the name of an investigation they will lie to potential witnesses in order instill fear in them and smear the reputation of the person they are after. They will plant evidence, make up evidence, and destroy evidence in order to get the conviction they want. With few exceptions, they have no qualms about lying on the witness stand and taking advantage of the jury's trust in government officials. The IRS has become an agency that plunders its victims, with the actual agents often pocketing personal items such as jewelry, never to be seen again, as they accidentally don't record it on the list of items removed in the raid. IRS agents are as corrupt as third-world bureaucrats. The point of this is that rule-of-law no longer exists in the United States. If it did, then the IRS would have to list the law in the federal register requiring US citizens to file tax returns. It operates without the basis of law just fine, because the courts will demonize and destroy any fool who attempts to defend himself by pointing out that there is no such law. If you cross the path of the feds in this country, it is truly a crapshoot as to whether you will get a fair trial or not. At least, it is still possible to win sometimes, but the fact is that the cops and the courts are increasingly corrupt. The simple solution to the US control problem is for the personnel of the affected companies simply to move out of the US themselves. I am sure they will do this when it becomes an issue in the future. Regards, Ken Griffith --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] why all GBC's will attract MLMs
Not all MLM's are ponzi schemes. Most are cheesy because they try to get you to sell your friendships for money and tell you that their product/marketing system will solve all the problems in your life. (Making MLM almost a religion of sorts..) But the majority of them sell real products. The reason these companies are attracted to e-gold and soon other GBC's is that they allow automated distribution systems. It is the beginning of the fulfillment of micro-payment prophesies. Traditionally, MLM's have had to mail out checks on a monthly basis. Most of the checks are for small amounts of money, which means that the company has a very high cost of printing, processing, and mailing compared to the actual amount of money being processed. MLM's will gravitate toward cheap automated systems using e-gold because it saves them tons of money and allows them to credit their people instantly for sales. It is to e-gold's credit that this phenomenon is taking place. It shows that e-gold offers a true savings in transaction costs. Don't be surprised to see more and more businesses moving toward automated systems using GBC's. Cheesy or not, MLM's tend to build momentum exponentially. They will expose a lot of people to GBC's and as long as the company is not a scam, it will probably give them a reasonably good impression of GBC's. In the long run MLM's will do a significant part to push GBC's into mainstream acceptance. HYIP's on the other hand, tend to be pure Ponzi schemes, and seem likely to hurt the reputation of GBC's in the long run because their inflated promises can only last for a short time before the system implodes. Unfortunately, there isn't really any way to prevent them from using GBC's, without destroying the usefulness of them, so we just have to accept the good with the bad. It's fairly safe to say that HYIP's attract the foolish of the world and make them a little wiser. Ken --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Funbonds soar.
What has this got to do with e-gold, or any gold ? or any thing relating to financial matters for that matter? Kind regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.gold-today.com Sign up with e-gold today and get grams of e-gold here. http://www.e-gold.com/newacct/newaccount.ascid=129542 Sign up with osgold and get an osgold account today http://www.osgold.com/index.php?id=1008 subscribe to the gold-today discussion group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goldtoday ~~ two cents worth?? http://two-cents-worth.com/?goldtoday - Original Message - From: Ben Legume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, July 22, 2001 2:42 pm Subject: [e-gold-list] Re: Funbonds soar. And check my weblog daily! http://www.geocities.com/gordongriggs/WhyIownaRealdoll.html Oops, this isn't my page, honest. I have a real girlfriend. Over the internet. Well, at least I don't have a mannequin for a GF like this sad, sad individual. Check my actual weblog daily http://leviathan.weblogs.com And buy those funbonds! I must have played around 500 hands over the last 12 hours, so watch the next payout, it's sure to be a biggy! And tehy're still only 3.7 (at time of writing)! Jump aboard now before the train leaves the station! New Books at Discount Prices --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-e-gold-list- [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Are you sick of logging into your mBox account to check for mail? The mBeeper is here, free to all mBox Basic Premium users. http://www.mbox.com.au/mbeeper --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] the full story
Anyone interested in reading the full story on how the government attacked Franklin Sanders' gold bank can do so at the following URL: http://www.goldbankone.com/article.php?sid=124mode=threadedorder=2 --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: the full story
On 22 Jul 2001, at 20:36, Ken Griffith wrote: Thanks Ken for this testimony from Franklin Sanders. I now better understand the issues of operating in the USA. GoldMoney is definitiveley the best issuer right now to face such situation. I can only hope that GSR and e-gold will eventually do same. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: the full story
On 22 Jul 2001, at 20:36, Ken Griffith wrote: Thanks Ken for this testimony from Franklin Sanders. I now better understand the issues of operating in the USA. GoldMoney is definitiveley the best issuer right now to face such situation. Claude, can you explain why that is? Thanks! I can only hope that GSR and e-gold will eventually do same. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: Funbonds soar.
What has this got to do with e-gold, or any gold ? or any thing
relating to financial matters for that matter?
Michael! FunBonds are transacted in e-gold.
Putting aside HYIPs, TheGoldCasino is (by far, I don't even know
what's second) the biggest e-gold related enterprise.
(Again, this is strictly *putting aside* HYIPs. It would appear that
HYIPs dwarf everything else in ERE activity.)
In the 'regular' internet, porno is by far the biggest transaction,
and online gaming is easily the second biggest. (Sportsbook vs.
casino games are about evenly balanced, IMHO.)
(All the other commerce on the internet, eg trivia like Amazon etc,
is completely dwarfed by online casinos.)
Until tarasvirtualstudio.com takes over (which it surely will!), TGC
is #1 user of e-gold in the non-HYIP universe.
I think the FunBonds
(http://www.thegoldcasino.com/cgi-bin/funbonds.cgi) are a fascinating
thing, they are a totally novel type of thing, i can't think of any
analogy to them --- and they are only possible because of the wonders
of e-gold (instant, non-revocable transactions of any size, computer
enabled).
(I did not invent the concept, I am sorry to say...we just programmed
'em for the client.)
They are utterly honest and straight (there is not the slightest
MLM or HYIP factor involved .. you can't refer someone to buy a
FunBond or anything) yet they have the brutal excitement of playing
the stock market; they are like an investment (a stock or bond) but
they are connected directly, instantaneously, to the financial
performance of the underlying entity
Since TGC is the primary (again, obviously putting aside HYIPs)
aspect of the e-gold economy, the performance of TGC is like a proxy
for the performance of e-gold. If I'm not mistaken 'booms' in e-gold
correspond with 'booms' in TGC playership.
If TGC FunBonds (I don't really know why they're called Fun bonds,
they're more real than any Bonds I know of in the commercial market
;) ) had a longer time horizon they would be a wild way to invest
as a proxy to the performance of e-gold itself (which can surely only
be upwards) --- much as you might say invest in a mining company as a
proxy for the gold price or you might invest in Halliburton as a
proxy for the oil industry, etc.
I can see the other poster was touting TGC a bit to get people to
play (you can't blame him, he's making a small fortune on the Bonds)
but, IMHO anyway, the FunBonds are
(*) an absolutely fascinating financial instrument (or 'bet' -
whatever you wish to term it), really the first 'real' bonds (again,
or whatever you wish to term it) that are directly, purely connected
to the underlying performance of an entity, with no intermediation of
analysts, market pressures etc ('Funbonds are to bonds what e-gold is
to fiat money'), that,
(*) simply could not exists without the true wonders of e-gold (would
be impossible to implement with conventional currencies) and indeed,
(*) is tied to thegoldcasino, which is the primary [obviously
non-HYIP .. HYIPs dwarf everything else] bit of e-gold commerce [just
as conventional online casinos are the internet economy]
intriguing stuff!
only in the e-gold universe...
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[e-gold-list] Re: the full story
On 23 Jul 2001, at 11:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GoldMoney is definitiveley the best issuer right now to face such situation. Claude, can you explain why that is? Thanks! They are 100% non-US, have a great product, great corporate governance and corporate structure and excellent international partners. The only thing they are missing is the market which is now owned by e-gold -:) Maybe this will change, maybe not. time will tell. Claude http://www.goldcurrencies.ca http://www.ormetal.com == Claude Cormier Public Key http://www.ormetal.com/PGPkey.html == --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: the full story
[GoldMoney] are 100% non-US, have a great product, great corporate governance and corporate structure and excellent international partners. The only thing they are missing is the market which is now owned by e-gold -:) Maybe this will change, maybe not. time will tell. I agree with you, Claude, that they have the best governance. But since both James Turk, and Geoff Turk are living in the US, the very heart and soul of the company is at risk from the US. If Geoff and James were to be arrested on bogus charges similar to the ones used against Parker Bradley, the company would be effectively frozen, even if the assetts were safe. Frankly, I believe that James would die for the company as it was put by someone. We can only suppose that he knows about these risks and has the hopes that he would be able to see trouble coming and leave the US before a warrant was issued. But Parker was apparently completely taken by surprise. The US residency of Geoff and James is definitely a risk to GoldMoney, if not to the assets of the company, definitely to the leadership of the company. It would be better for the leadership of any of the GBC's to be physically located outside the US. Ken --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: the full story
On 22 Jul 2001, at 22:06, Ken Griffith wrote: I agree with you, Claude, that they have the best governance. But since both James Turk, and Geoff Turk are living in the US, the very heart and soul of the company is at risk from the US. James Turk lives in London. I am told. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Re: You dirty rat - James Cagney
Still, not even a peep out of the indecisive Melbourne office, one way or the other, about spend confirmation page ads. Check out http://www.notonmyspendpage.8m.net/ Please, I beg of you, let's not rehash (again, and again) the spend page ads issue. Before anybody tries to call me a censorship baby again, *think*. This isn't censorship. This is trying to cull the endless/repetitive/unproductive discussions for against spend page ads from a list that already has ~35 messages/day on it. e-gold ltd. will do what e-gold ltd. wants to do. No rehashed, for the thousandth time, argument will change their minds if it didn't work the first 999 times. And as the site above demostrates, I am not the only e-gold user that is vehemently against spend page ads. Viking Coder Advertising is to commerce as pimping, whoring and brothels are to making sweet love. -Zach Smith --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] Pecunix News
Some interesting reading on Pecunix http://www.prweb.com/releases/2001/7/prweb26825.php Sniper _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[e-gold-list] GoldNow Gold Storage Facility
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