[e-gold-list] bullion coin buying price watch

2002-12-03 Thread jpm
I have just now bought two (only two) bullion coins from Mark Oberg 
and he charge me $332 while the spot price was $320.

Also, I paid using internet gold, no problem.

That is a pretty incredibly small mark up, I believe, on just two coins!

Mark ... [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you don't have gold bullion in your hosue YOU NEED IT.

JP!


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[e-gold-list] FYI crownegold spoof site attempt via email

2002-12-03 Thread Jay W.
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i've received a few copies in the last day or so of an HTML email
that attempts to trick recipient into logging into a crownegold
account - don't fall for it. note the spelling errors etc.
jay w.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

pertinent details:

Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Received: from dizain.info (66.227.36.217 [66.227.36.217]) by XX
Received: (qmail 31713 invoked by uid 10072); 3 Dec 2002 22:15:41 -
Date: 3 Dec 2002 22:15:41 -
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: www.crownegold.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: CrowneGold Departament

...

The administration of payment system CrowneGold informs:br
That you have not correctly entered the personal information.br
Please, go into the CrowneGold account  and correct the personal data!

...

...
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action=http://194.226.216.44/mail.php; method=post
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class=textbox size=20/td
td/td
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[e-gold-list] DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-03 Thread R. A. Hettinga
I suppose that if it's not blinded, or at least functionally anonymous,
like you'd get with statistically-tested streaming cash, it's not *that*
bearer, but, hey, that's just *my* opinion, right?

:-).

I would assume that anything that has accounts with client names on them is
probably not bearer, either, though Mark Twain did something quite like
that.

Which, not coincidentally, brings us back to the loading problem. Most of
us who think about these things have gotten to the point that Doug Barnes
got to with his Mondex talk at the FC97 rump-session: that is, you need a
popular internet payment system to collateralize/load whatever bearer
certificate you issue, and the faster that settles, the better.

We're getting there, maybe even faster than we think.

Cheers,
RAH

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Status: RO
Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 13:55:54 -0800
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Steve Schear [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: DBCs now issued by DMT
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Digital Monetary Trust now supports Digital Bearer
Certificates.  https://196.40.46.24/dmtext/jog/dmt_bearercert.htm Although
the DBC are not blinded, DMT claims it maintains no client data on its
accounts so there is a modicum of anonymity in transactions.

steve

A State must pay attention to virtue, because the law is a covenant or a
guarantee of men's just claims, but it is not designed to make the citizens
virtuous and just
-- Aristotle

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experience. -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

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[e-gold-list] Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-03 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 4:06 PM -0800 on 12/3/02, Somebody wrote:


 I forgot to ask:  who the hell is DMT?

Nobody I ever heard of...

 How are they marketing this
 stuff -

on a website with only an IP address... :-).

 or, who have they gotten to use it thus far?

Nobody I ever heard of...

However, that old volcano's giving off some tasty beta-waves, dontcha think?


Cheers,
RAH
[Sounds like a low C to me...]

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[e-gold-list] Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-03 Thread R. A. Hettinga
At 4:03 PM -0800 on 12/3/02, Somebody wrote:


 Using xmlrpc for message passing, no less!  Man, you gotta love that
 for simplicity.

One mustn't let the best kill the good enough, certainly, though, without
blinding, it'll be interesting if this airplane lifts its wheels,
security-wise.



Cheers,
RAH


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[e-gold-list] Domains/Offshore Hosting- Now in Hong Kong! Super Low Flat Rate!

2002-12-03 Thread Andi LeDuc

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[e-gold-list] Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-03 Thread R. A. Hettinga

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Status: RO
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 16:06:12 -0800
Subject: Re: DBCs now issued by DMT
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Tuesday, December 3, 2002, at 01:55  PM, Steve Schear wrote:

 Digital Monetary Trust now supports Digital Bearer Certificates.
 https://196.40.46.24/dmtext/jog/dmt_bearercert.htm Although the DBC
 are not blinded, DMT claims it maintains no client data on its
 accounts so there is a modicum of anonymity in transactions.


Well, on the Modified May Anonymity Scale, where would take a billion
years to crack is good, and where  will require subverting 20
servers and cracking each's mapping is OK, this rates a takes a
phone call, which makes it not good.

Trust us.

Boring. Thinking this is a step in the right direction is like thinking
building a tall tower is a step toward going to the moon.



--Tim May
The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any
member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm
to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient
warrant. --John Stuart Mill

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[e-gold-list] Re: DBCs now issued by DMT

2002-12-03 Thread Steve Schear
At 06:45 PM 12/3/2002 -0500, R. A. Hettinga wrote:

I suppose that if it's not blinded, or at least functionally anonymous,
like you'd get with statistically-tested streaming cash, it's not *that*
bearer, but, hey, that's just *my* opinion, right?


Since it has no payee or associated holder information and can circulate 
via re-issuance (even if there is a charge) it has bearer characteristics.


I would assume that anything that has accounts with client names on them is
probably not bearer, either, though Mark Twain did something quite like
that.


DMT accounts have no customer information associated.

steve


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[e-gold-list] RATIONAL REVIEW: December Content now available

2002-12-03 Thread thomaslknapp
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