[e-gold-list] GoldNow Verification service
JABOLES, How much of a "nice" profit do we make out of $5 verification fee? Get a life! Besides, I was offering to do it for FREE for "Mt Umoren". IF he's genuine, he'd only benefit out of it! If not, well... ALSO, I contacted "Mr Umoren" last year, same old, same old... we already completed DD on him, but he failed the DD test. Unless he's decided to become saintly since that time, be warned! In any case, our verification service has proven to be accurate, (I invented it MYSELF!) and well used by providers and customers. See Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO On Sat, 14 Jun 2003 04:05:50 -0400, "Jonathan Boles" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > LOL! > > If I got an email from a stranger who pretentiously called themself a > "Chief > Verification Officer" asking for all my personal details, I wouldn't - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Free Call 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO Order your GoldNow debit card today, at https://www.goldnow.st/debit_card_buy.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Free Enterprise, at it's best!
Guys, Our programmers are adding Singapore & the Phillipines to our country list today... we will be adding Indonesia, Vietnam and Laos, as well as Taiwan and Hongkong, very soon. Stay tuned! I really like the idea that a farmer from Laos/Vietnam can fund his e-gold account with us, then access his account from his PC. or the local town hall/library/school PC. TRUE & FREE enterprise, at it's glorious best... the US founding fathers were, and are, an inspiration! The "berlin wall of financial control" is crumbling! Cheers! Graham Kelly CEO - GoldNow http://www.GoldNow.St Primary Customer Service +61 3 9776-4886 US Free Call 1-866-999-1717 US Fax 1-213-559-8555 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 233-7612 UK Phone +44 (0) 709 201-4015 CEO Order your GoldNow debit card today, at https://www.goldnow.st/debit_card_buy.asp --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-Gold mass pay software?
Just FWIW, mass spends are BUILT IN to 1mdcGrams, Matt. What on God's green earth is FWIW, JP? heh heh! FOR WHAT ITS WORTH! IMHO U use 2 mch l33t 4 pbc get ;o) Cheers, Robert. -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-Gold mass pay software?
> > Just FWIW, mass spends are BUILT IN to 1mdcGrams, Matt. > What on God's green earth is FWIW, JP? IMHO U use 2 mch l33t 4 pbc get ;o) Cheers, Robert. budget & privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net budget & privacy domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: HYIP Frauds Exposed: Capital Market; Returnversus Risk; Finite Amount
> > Risk money in the philippines comes the same way risk money in > Silicon Valley. You talk to a rich friend of a friend, he does > due diligence. > If my friend had a rich friend, then he wouldn't be my friend ;o) The problem there is really that the 'rich friend' got rich by not giving loans to the friends of a friend but by stealing their ideas and doing it himself. The due diligence part is the catch 22 here. If the person needing the money discloses the details he has to disclose for DD, then he risks being cut out altogether. And puhleez don't suggest non-disclossure agreements, copyrights, etc. The only guys that never steal a business are loan sharks. In return they are paid royally for financing it. > > Above market rates are an obvious con. > Have another look at that sentence, if you will. How can there be 'market rates' when there is no supplier? A market rate is whatever the market will wear, where the market is a group of people with specific needs for a particular item. Definded more specifically, people who have no acces to mainstream funding (where mainstream means western type and does not refer to 'the majority') will pay high rates to obtain funds in other ways. If those people (the market) are willing to pay 600% per hour because it is the only way they can obtain funds, then the market rate *is* 600x24x364% per annum. Paying more than one has to is stupidity. Charging as much as one can get is business. Being a western bank, 'creating' money at a whim and loaning it out, now that *is* a con. Cheers, Robert. budget & privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net budget & privacy domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold backing is irrelevant
Hi, there is another "1mdc" type of company coming online soon that looks interesting. I know the site is up but not online to the public. They gave us $500 to play on the sytem and try it out a while back and it seems to work well. I think they will anonymize e-gold usage to some extent as well. in any case, maybe the principals would like to give us an update of their upcoming launch date? www.virtualgold.net == Gordon H. www.katzglobal.com Anonymous Hosting(tm) Solutions Anonymous Domain Names --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: gold backing is irrelevant
Hello Jim, Thanks for your valued input. You are of course right that redemption or redeemabilty is the word that should be used in the same breath as the word backed. But before looking at some of the candidates on your list, I'd like to point out two other very important items are breadth of circulation and cost of ownership. e-gold seems to be accepted by default whereever IG (internet gold) is accepted, giving it by far the widest breadth or cirulation. Due to the high circulation and subequent demand, it is also the base currency most exchangers calculate in and exchange against. This ensures high levels of competition and therefore comparably lower costs for obtaining and holding it. > > 2. LibertyDollar > As you know, I do respect and admire von NotHaus for what he has achieved and am sure that he will continue to succeed. But, as I suggested a year ago in an email, there are inherent structural problems simply 'because' the LibertyDollar is used as a real life currency in shops as well. Firstly, it is a mainly American currency and hence from a global perspective uncompetative. This is so because for foreigners cost of ownership can be as high as 50% plus postage. After all, the LD is based on a silver price of $10, which is necessary and a good thing - for real life transactions, in the US. But it is also a clear deterrent for international users. Secondly, the far higher cost of operation that NORFED necessarily has, would force them to always overvalue the LD in metal terms. It's the nature of the beast because administration and even minting has to be added to the initial price of spending the currency into circulation. Again, I do like and support the LD, but I don't see it as an IG contender for the above reasons. Any Chinese would only ask: "Why do I pay $10 for an ounce of silver?". > > 5. Crowne Gold, established as 3PGold in early 2001. > Offers gold online. > This where breadth of circulation comes in - and proof of redeemability. I'm a sucker for storage certificates - third party storage receipts from one of the main storage facilities, that is. And, there are not that many sites that actually accept Crowne Gold payments. Of course, it is a legit IG provider and I have it in my "List of Five". > > 6. 1MDC, established in 2001. Offers gold online. > Gold is stored by e-gold. Redemption is in e-gold. > Everybody who folows the list by now knows that I'm singing 1MDC's praise. However, it's not on my list as it has no storage facility of it's own (sorry JP). Instead I see 1MDC as the first of a breed of new services that are built on top of e-gold and which will make the mainstream use of e-gold possible. Some of the exchangers who use our services know what other items we are planning in that direction. > > (8.) INTGold, established 2003. > I've put that one into the category "jury still out". It is impossible to make an informed judgement just yet, because they are brand new, albeit seem to grow rapidly. I don't think that we could expect them to put the gold into third party storage until they reach reserves of at least $1,000,000. It just wouldn't be feasible. But, so far I heard good things about them and Aussies say, they deserve to get a go, before we can start singing their praise or alternatively trash them. Now you know why I was talking about Five Main Currencies. > > I think this question further points up the irrelevance > of the matter of backing. If e-gold is redeemable, > then 1MDC, which is redeemable for e-gold, is also > redeemable. > Yes and no. It means that the 'dependant' currency is redeemable as long as the 'base' currency is. The risk here is that ad hock operators join the fray, each building a new currency on top of the other and if then one comes undone, all the rest crumble with it. As an example, some of the exhangers we deal with have signalled that they want to deal with each other through us as well. The obviously best facilitator for such deals would be 1MDC, of course. But to make things faster and easier to follow for everyone, we will actually "loan" our exchangers our own 1MDC deposits against the cash they have with us. They trade with each other and at the end of the day we clear out the transactions, adjust their accounts and move e-gold from our 1MDC storage into exchangers accounts. So, we are building a day-trade system on top of 1MDC. Now imagine some of our exchangers would offer their clients a system in which they can deal with other which is built on top of our day-trade system. Then imagine, one of their clients starts a gold speculation game/trade built on the exchanger's system. Then JPM changes the rules at 1MDC... know what I mean? > > > I used the term DGC a bit more loosely... > > Which, again, emphasizes that backing is irrelevant. > As I said, I may have used the wrong emphasis, but did mean, and hence agree with you, redeemability - or more importantly in fact - storage location and access. I have three small
[e-gold-list] Re: HYIP Frauds Exposed: Capital Market; Returnversus Risk; Finite Amount
-- On 14 Jun 2003 at 8:46, Robert S.Z. wrote: > The option for an average Joe to get a $ denominated loan > simply does not exist and even in countries with more > sophisticated banking services, unless you are upper > management or a government employee, you won't even get a > basic overdraft facility, no matter how impressive your cash > flow. Credit card for a self-eplyed operator? No way. Risk money in the philippines comes the same way risk money in Silicon Valley. You talk to a rich friend of a friend, he does due diligence. You cannot get risk money from the banks in Silicon valley any more than you can get it the Phillippines. Above market rates are an obvious con. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG TXNi+CswGUISgKym98HcJJb+rWfi0GOozNk+aLiv 4lrllX+a2vK7v+/gy18e4XpQnPhA+7bTW3Cb1rTPy s --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Scam Alert!
Gold-Insure.com is another site that tries to steal your passphrase. It is run by GMTech, they hit my spam traps again, silly them. Also have reported it to ddu@ Registrant: Alex Fethard [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.2025560716 GoldInsure 555, 8th Avenue 132 New York,NY,UNITED STATES 10118 Domain Name:gold-insure.com Record last updated at 2003-06-13 13:35:51 Record created on 2003/6/13 Record expired on 2004/6/13 Domain servers in listed order: ns1.hostonfly.net xx ns2.hostonfly.net xxx Administrator: Alex Fethard [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.2025560716 GoldInsure 555, 8th Avenue 132 New York,NY,UNITED STATES 10118 Technical Contactor: Alex Fethard [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.2025560716 GoldInsure 555, 8th Avenue 132 New York,NY,UNITED STATES 10118 Billing Contactor: Alex Fethard [EMAIL PROTECTED] +1.2025560716 GoldInsure 555, 8th Avenue 132 New York,NY,UNITED STATES 10118 Domain Name: GOLD-INSURE.COM Registrar: ONLINENIC, INC. Whois Server: whois.OnlineNIC.com Referral URL: http://www.OnlineNIC.com Name Server: NS1.HOSTONFLY.NET Name Server: NS2.HOSTONFLY.NET Status: ACTIVE Updated Date: 13-jun-2003 Creation Date: 13-jun-2003 Expiration Date: 13-jun-2004 Scam page: http://gold-insure.com/payment.php The egold number is: 183061 (Gizmosinc) --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: E-Gold mass pay software?
Hi, Does anyone know where I can find E-Gold mass pay software that will let me pay in grams rather than USD? Thank You, Matt Just FWIW, mass spends are BUILT IN to 1mdcGrams, Matt. So if you ever migrate to 1mdcGrams rather than egold, you're there - no further software needed. -- --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
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[e-gold-list] E-Gold mass pay software?
Hi, Does anyone know where I can find E-Gold mass pay software that will let me pay in grams rather than USD? Thank You, Matt --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: I love AUSSIES! :)
(Excerpted from on off-list email I just received) >> >The OSRecovery civil suit is getting >> interesting. Suffice to say that the >> core defendants are now being pursued >> vigorously, and the co-defendants, >> less so. I have had a number of lengthy phone >> conferences with the plaintiffs lawyers this >> week, about this and other issues. >> >> Again, weren't you one of the respondents (core >> or otherwise) or am I incorrect in my >> recollection? (Graham Kelly replies) >Yes, I'm scurrilously & erroneously named as a co-defendant. The plaintiffs lawyers are slowly (and I mean slooowly!) that we are one of the good guys, hurrah for them! Ho hum. Are you still named on the complaint as a co-defendant? >>What are the major lessons for me, and > ultimately, all of us? Primarily, don't have an office in the US. (A good percentage of Fortune 500 companies have now re-located offshore... what does that tell you?) If the legal system in the US targets innocent business people, it's, uhhh, time for a change & throw some more shrimps on the barbie, as Paul Hogan used to say! This is purely a safety/longevity issue. >> Huh? I'm missing something here. Are you >> suggesting the main problem with dealing with a >> ponzi scam is that if you are in the US you can >> be sued there? That almost sounds like you are >> defending the crooks as victims of the legal >> system! (Graham replies) >Nothing to do with scams!!! Yes, you are obviously missing the WHOLE point, ya bloody aussie wacker! :) We are talking about security & safety. Typical misdirection! (Are you one of those LAWYERS?) Again, huh? (snipped) >> Huh? What have flaws in the banking system got >> to do with anything? >For safety issues, EVERYTHING! LOL What do flaws in the banking system have anything to do with OSgold? When was the last time the manager of your local branch did a runner with your savings? It's far more likely to happen with a Digital currency. New Books at Discount Prices --- Send the right message --- + Today freemail + Get your free, private email address at http://www.today.com.au --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
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[e-gold-list] gold backing is irrelevant
Dear Robert, Technically there are of course only five established, main gold-backed currencies, Backing is irrelevant. What matters is redemption. A currency such as the Federal Reserve Notes issued by an evil cabal of the Federal Reserve System and the USA Federal Government in unconstitutional combination is "backed" one part in every 32,000 or so by gold stored by the USA Treasury on behalf of those from whom it was stolen. However, there is no provision whatsoever to redeem a Federal Reserve Note for gold, silver, or anything else of value. It is a currency for exchanges only. A currency which can be redeemed for gold, even if the redemption function is highly constrained (as with GoldMoney, you can only redeem one London Bullion Marketing Association good delivery bar at a time, or about 400 ounces at a throw) is as good as gold. A currency which pretends to have gold "backing" such as the Federal Reserve Note, is just another worthless fiat money. As for "five established main" et's go through the list. Chronological order for grins. 1. e-gold, established 1996 provides four currency services. These are e-gold, e-silver, e-platinum, e-palladium. Redemption of metal is somewhat more difficult now than in previous years, limited to 400 ounce LBMA bars of gold, or 1000 ounce bars of silver, exemplia gratia. Metal is stored in London, Zurich, and Dubai. 2. LibertyDollar, established as NORFED 1998, offers a gold certificate which is a warehouse receipt for gold. They have a gold Liberty piece, a silver Liberty piece, paper warehouse receipts for gold and for silver, and a digital warehouse receipt for silver. Gold and silver are stored in Idaho. Redemption is by the ounce of gold or silver. 3. GoldMoney.com, conceived in the mid-1970s, operational in late 2000 or so. Offers a gold "holding" service which effectively provides for offshore storage of gold in any amount, along with a service for transferring gold from one holding to another, as money. Gold is stored in London. Redemption is only by LBMA bar, or 400 ounces at a time. 4. e-Bullion.com, established early 2001. Offers gold or silver online. Redemption is facilitated by vast array of coins and bullion available from this company established by old hands in the coin and bullion business. Metal is stored in Australia, Los Angeles, Delaware, Zurich, etc. Company holds the trademark for "e-currency." 5. Crowne Gold, established as 3PGold in early 2001. Offers gold online. Gold was stored in Idaho, it may have been moved. 6. 1MDC, established in 2001. Offers gold online. Gold is stored by e-gold. Redemption is in e-gold. 7. Pecunix, established in 2002. Offers gold online. Gold is stored as LBMA good delivery bars (400 oz) wherever it is that Anglo Far East stores their gold (with Brinks). Redemption is discussed in the user agreement. (8.) INTGold, established 2003. Offers gold online. Gold is stored at an unknown location, possibly in Greenville, Texas (near Dallas). Redemption is not discussed in the user agreement, and the term 'backed' is used throughout, so I suspect that INTGold is not a redeemable currency. However, how would you classify a currency that is backed by a gold-backed currency? I think this question further points up the irrelevance of the matter of backing. If e-gold is redeemable, then 1MDC, which is redeemable for e-gold, is also redeemable. It gets even more complicated by partially backed currencies who hold reserves of other currencies which claim in turn to be based on backed currencies. I don't consider evocash or other dollar-equivalent exchange services to be gold currencies. They are simply transfer services or exchange services or "money transmitters." PayPal, the Internet dollar, and evocash all come to mind in this context. I used the term DGC a bit more loosely, as it seems to be becoming a common practice, even for currencies that have no known backing and dubious backers. Which, again, emphasizes that backing is irrelevant. OSGold claimed to be backed 150% by gold. The operational difficulties of such a claim are so thoroughgoing as to seem utterly absurd to even the most inebriated person. Nevertheless, what benefit could it possibly offer to someone seeking to redeem his OSGold for the gold which is "backing" it? Nobody would imagine that $1.50 of gold would be provided for each $1.00 of OSGold redeemed, right? That's why the idea that OSGold was somehow a legitimate currency, or that anyone who ever exchanged OSGold was thinking clearly, is utterly absurd. It isn't an issue of unexpected events. Saying that "Reed scarpered with the funds" or ran off with the money is an obvious claim that nobody would have expected such an event, therefore exchanging OSGold was justified until such time as it became clear that there weren't funds in the system to negotiate the currency. I don't agree with this line of reasoning. The deficits in OSGold were widely known, widely reported, and eve
[e-gold-list] Re: HYIP Frauds Exposed: Capital Market; Return versus Risk; Finite Amount
Hello Adam, These are contructive suggestions. Thumbs up! It is obvious that you are "in the fray". However, there is the education issue to consider. Most people in Asia wouldn't know a mortgage from a lease or a secured bank loan from an overdraft. The option for an average Joe to get a $ denominated loan simply does not exist and even in countries with more sophisticated banking services, unless you are upper management or a government employee, you won't even get a basic overdraft facility, no matter how impressive your cash flow. Credit card for a self-eplyed operator? No way. The mere thought to borrow the cash to go elsewhere to get a loan? Nada! Imagine the picture of a Filipino on tourist visa with some polaroid shots of 10 men factories and an order letter from overseas walking into Chase Manhattan in L.A. and asking for a loan :o))) The highest profit margins and the best ventures are really in the realm of the small fry. A guy that has basic maths, jobbed around an American air base and now ships Philippine handicrafts to Canada and the UK. Getting a bank loan didn't appear to him for the first few years, while he was driving an old battered car across islands buying local crafts for pennies and trying to entice the rural populace to produce higher volume. Every three months he shipped a whole container, with a neighbourhood loan shark footing the shipping bill and pocketing half the revenue in return [ie. making about 500% on his outlay]. The guy himself was absolutely satisfied. After all, he spent a few hundered dollars to source the goods to fill a container and got ten thousand back in net profit. Trouble was, we knew nothing about shipping - the loan shark did. Or insurance, or quarantine, or import regulations or any of those things. All he could think of was how to get the producers to carve and weave faster. The plastics guy is a bit more advanced, was overseas a couple of times, but the banks still turned him down. I know it's insane and drives me nuts, but a bank won't give him a loan unless he has sufficient property to secure the loan. Cash flow? Of course. If he can't show that he'll be able to pay the loan back many times over in no time flat then he needs to come up with 500% collateral. It really is that bad in rural Asia. By the way, he was never a plastics manufacturer, always an exporter. In previous posts I always referred to him as the guy who would source the items from a multitude of suppliers and ship tem at an immense profit. And he certainly is not alone. Trade is the favorite past time in Asia and every unemployed is a business man. > > Successful businesses do not maintain high interest-rate debt for long, > because they don't need to. Only the incompetent and the fraudulent. > I agree to the incompetent part in so far that many a successful business operator lacks the education we take for granted. But the lack of financial infrastructure is just as important. Only now are governments starting to lean on banks to offer loans to small stake holders, rural operators, etc. But those loans are capped at $2,500 for someone who can proof past success... It'll be years until the environment that most here in the list take as a given will be available in many Asian countries. And Africa is a different matter altogether. Cheers, Robert. budget & privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net budget & privacy domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: HYIP Frauds Exposed: Capital Market; Return versus Risk; Finite Amount
Robert wrote: > I mean serious, especially the Philippines is the worst possible > of the example I gave to contest. The Peso is as unstable as it > gets, politics are in disarray, infrastructure in disrepair and you > seriously think that a bank would give anyone a Peso based, > unsecured loan for 20% per year? No, but I'm sure they'll give a dollar-based rate at ~20% per annum, unless they are somehow prohibited from doing so. As I said, Interest Rate = Time Value + Risk Premium + Inflation Rate. You want to make apples and apples comparison, you must do so in the same currency or adjust for an inflation rate/instability factor. If Philippines banks are so bad, how expensive is a plane ticket to Australia, Malaysia, Dubai, or even Panama or Los Angeles? Sure, people can pay enormous rates (even in the States, for example pay day loans) -- when the time/cost of arbitrage overrules the savings/benefit. These are not large opportunities individually, and aggregator of such opportunities will pay the cost to get money at a better value. > So Adam, I fear, you may not be qualified to judge the situation in > Asia for lower middle class types who MUST pay out immense > profit shares, just to get any money at all. How did we suddenly get from plastics manufacturer to lower-middle class. RISK RISK RISK. Unsecured loans for lower and lower-middle class may not EXIST many places in the world. These are neither people who have access to low risk high return business opportunities of substantial value, who would represent a legitimate Internet HYIP. > Trust me, we could have squeezed them to pay 500% and they would > have still been happy because everybody involved profited and improved > their lives. > > Just imagine someone like us would start a HYIP that pays 10% per month... Again you missed the point. WHY would you start an HYIP at 10% per month (214% per annum) when you could can get a $100,000 limit gold mastercard at 16% per annum which would handle your volume just fine and pocket the difference? If you do not, as a successful expatriate business man, have the credit to gain such an account, and be willing to shoulder the full risk of this investment yourself, what business do you have pawn it off on unaccredited Internet investors? > If you have actual, contructive comments, plese start off with > giving us a run down of who you are, where you've been and what you've > been doing. I am in Costa Rica & Panama, which just happens to be the domicile for a very large number of high profile HYIPs (The Brothers, The Cuban, The Vault, Marc Harris, etc), and I work in an industry (offshore gaming) that is not exactly low profit-margin. I know many people who are in "businesses" that cannot use traditional means of financing. I know that even very untraditional financing for such people does not compare to the rates promised by most HYIPs, and that even the HYIPs here promising feasible rates (3% per month) have all failed. Successful businesses do not maintain high interest-rate debt for long, because they don't need to. Only the incompetent and the fraudulent. Adam --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Warning! Do not visit e-goldservice.com !!!
Hello Joel, Thanks for the heads up! I actually Fw. an email from those guys to e-gold last night, but more because of the domain name they are using. It does seem that the page at the URL is even trying to load anumber of other URLs into the frame which could be a multi-prongued attack. By the way one of the best "free" tools against spybots, key loggers, etc. is Spybot Search & Destroy from http://security.kolla.de/ It comes in several languages and works like a charme. Cheers, Robert. budget & privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net budget & privacy domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] HYIP general remarks (non-cynical)
Helo Everyone, Just to make it clear once and for all: [1] I do not endorse or participate in any HYIP. [2] I believe that most HYIP lack any basis of economic reality. [3] Most HYIP are likely to be scams. [4] Most HYIP that are not scams are likely to still fail sooner or later. [5] Highly profitable investment opportunities are plentiful, but it's VERY unlikely that operators of programmes that accept deposits below $5,000.00 are engaged in any of them, simply because the administration costs would be immense. [6] 45% and more per month can be easily achieved in certain locales and surroundings, but it is extremely unlikely that any programmes exist on the net that finance projects in those locales. [7] An exception to 5 and 6 would be if the operator of the programme actually lives verifiably in any of those locations [8] Puuuhhleeez stop offering me great investment opportunities; if they are legit, list them in www.thegoldindex.com - that's one of the things it's there for. [9] I will not reply to personal emails from people offering funds to invest. I don't want your money!!! [10] We are in no way associated or affiliated with any Games or HYIP that are hosting their sites with us. Hosting at www.cyberica.net is *NOT* an endorsement. [11] We host just about everyone because we believe in free markets and level playing fields and giving people a go. However, if we find out that someone abuses our trust, he'll find his account blocked and his name and details listed here and an the Black List at TheGoldIndex.com Now, as the dust settles, I would like to appologize to anyone I might have offended in the last week, thank everyone that came to my aid and hope that everyone else had as much fun as I had when oppinons clashed and then slowly shifted as additional data became available. I learnt a thing or two - which does make it all worthwile. Have a great weekend everyone, Cheers, Robert. budget & privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net budget & privacy domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Warning! Do not visit e-goldservice.com !!!
DO NOT VISIT E-GOLDSERVICE_COM !!! e-goldservice_com trys to embed a trojan horse program on your computer when you visit the site. http://e-goldservice/index.files/1.html is the page that contains the trojan horse. The main page has an iframe that has 0 width and 0 hight so it is not viewable They are trying to steal your e-gold passphrases!!! If you have visited the site and you are concerned you may be infected please visit http://anti-trojan.net they provide good free anti trojan software that you can trial for 15 days. This trojan only effects windows. You can read more about it here: http://vil.nai.com/vil/content/v_100261.htm The perpertrators behind this site have stolen the website layout and graphics of http://asianagold.com AsianaGold.com is not affiliated or conected wtith this site in anyway. I can only hope that this site has not caused anyone to have lost their passphrase. If you have visited the site and you have concerns about the security of your pc please contact us for help at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards, Joel Bruce http://asianagold.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: DebitGold signup and card
Thanks for that. Looking forward to giving the system another shot :o) Cheers, Robert. budget & privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net budget & privacy domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: HYIP Frauds Exposed: Capital Market; Return versus Risk; Finite Amount
Dear Adam, >Your Philippine plastic marker can go to a bank and get a secured > loan at 10-15% per annum, it can get an unsecured loan at 15-20% per annum, it > can go to private lenders for 20%-25% per annum, it can go any number of > additional places. When exactly have you talked to a Philippine bank for a loan the last time? When you did, where you [1] a small trader, [2] a struggling exporter, [3] someone who had contacts to foreign buyer going nuts over unreliable deliveries of a multitude of local suppliers? We just bought some low-cost rentals outside Manila. Finance offers ranged from 20% to 38% per annum, compounding on USD basis. This is a mortgage we are talking about. Of course, as always we paid cash, much to the dismay of the developer. And no, unless he doesn't need the money, there is no way anyone would give a small exporter with big plans money, unless he has colateral coming out his ears and doesn't really need the money. The alternative is to go to a money shark of course - at 10-20% compounding PER WEEK !!! > There is a market for money. People don't pay more for money that the going rate on > the market. I beg you show me the market in Asia that serves the public mom-and-pop types of outfits, rural farmers, small traders, etc. We'll be Gazillionaires overnight! I mean serious, especially the Philippines is the worst possible of the example I gave to contest. The Peso is as unstable as it gets, politics are in disarray, infrastructure in disrepair and you seriously think that a bank would give anyone a Peso based, unsecured loan for 20% per year? As always, there is a huge difference between the people from the ivory towers of capital cities and the populace that feeds them. In Asia this difference is so extreme that often the upper class of the country doesn't realize it while they live their guraded lives of golf courses and cocktail parties. A few years ago, I met an Indonesian business man in an airport lounge who got violently offensive when he heard that I was paying the crew of two small coastal trawlers about $200 per catch day. He accused me of heaven knows what until some guy a few tables away came over and told him that I was paying 15% above norm ... So Adam, I fear, you may not be qualified to judge the situation in Asia for lower middle class types who MUST pay out immense profit shares, just to get any money at all. I mentioned the example of an Indian village where farmers were starving during droughts some time ago. We had syndicated micro loans to help them buy dairy cows - one per household. The loans carried a huge interest burden but the revenues where twice bigger. Everybody paid back their loans on time, ended up owning the cows and had enough left over to buy a second. We made a modest 150% syndication fee and the local handlers made somewhere about tenfold. Tenfold our investment that is. They had no own money to begin with, but set up a dairy processing plant from their share of the proceeds. Trust me, we could have squeezed them to pay 500% and they would have still been happy because everybody involved profited and improved their lives. Just imagine someone like us would start a HYIP that pays 10% per month... PLEASE don't email me privately anymore!!! We do not, nor will we ever funds from the public. We do not, nor will we ever operate any HYIP programmes and we won't invest in any HYIP either. To bring this whole line of discussion to an end, if you beg to differ, so be it. If you have actual, contructive comments, plese start off with giving us a run down of who you are, where you've been and what you've been doing. We'd love to hear from workers of UN development programmes for example :o) Cheers, Robert. budget & privacy website hosting http://www.cyberica.net budget & privacy domain registrations http://www.u2planet.com --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: Verification service
LOL! If I got an email from a stranger who pretentiously called themself a "Chief Verification Officer" asking for all my personal details, I wouldn't respond either. I think its absurd that Mr Kelly expects Mr Umoren to jump through hoops just to save himself from neing badmouthed everywhere by Mr Kelly. Mr Umoren is completely reasonable in leaving "verification" to his real clients, rather than a certain gold exchanger who considers himself the "verification police" and makes a nice profit out of it. --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] HOW TO GET TO HIGH STAKE POKER?
in TGC and one know? --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] DebitGold signup and card
Hello gentlemen, I'm Systems Engineer for DebitGold. Thank you for your feedback on the site, I am currently looking into the confirmation and ID number bugs described. Apologies for the inconvenience - we have only just launched and are confident that we can work out the last kinks over the next few days. I will personally reply to anyone posting difficulties from now on, and will get back to Robert and Katz as soon as the bugs have been fixed. Just to clarify, the DebitGold MasterCard® is a MasterCard®, not a Maestro/cirrus card, and will work wherever either of these logos are displayed (for ATMs), and wherever MasterCard® is accepted (POS, online.) The DebitGold MasterCard® is a "stored value" card, which combines the best features of both credit and debit cards (global acceptance, instant cash.) A. Gaspard Léon, Systems Engineer for DebitGold Ltd. web: http://www.debitgold.biz/ email: gaspard at debitgold dot biz --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
[e-gold-list] Re: HYIP Frauds Exposed: Capital Market; Return versus Risk; Finite Amount
> CAPITAL MARKET > > There is a market for money. People don't pay more for money that the going rate > on the market. Your Philippine plastic marker can go to a bank and get a secured > loan at 10-15% per annum, it can get an unsecured loan at 15-20% per annum, it > can go to private lenders for 20%-25% per annum, it can go any number of > additional places. > > At what exact point does it need to go to the Internet public at 45% per month > compounding (853.8% per annum)? Exactly so, and any person with a (very) profitably business could probably borrow from parents or friends easily. A succesful person without any friends that trust him.. hmm.. sounds fishy to me. BTW, 45% per month compounding comes to 8500% annualy At this rate , somebody bringing in 1 ounce of gold, after one year his capital would have grown to 86 ounces, and after only five years it would become 4,809,280,791 ounces. Simple math. Before you know it even all the gold on this planet will not be sufficient to pay out this single customer, who started out with only 1 ounce.. Clearly, anybody offering you 45% per month is mathematically certain to go out of business within a few years at the most... Regards, Danny --- You are currently subscribed to e-gold-list as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Use e-gold's Secure Randomized Keyboard (SRK) when accessing your e-gold account(s) via the web and shopping cart interfaces to help thwart keystroke loggers and common viruses.
