[e-gold-list] Insurance for Unauthorized Access

2001-06-29 Thread SnowDog

How is it that PayPal can buy $100,000 insurance protection against
unauthorized transactions for every customer from Travelers Insurance? Can
E-Gold LTD do this? Wouldn't this be a BIG solution to protect those who
have been hacked?

I've been reading some of the forums with conversations between some of
these people who have been hacked, and THEY DON'T KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED. Now,
I don't doubt that they did something to let the hackers in, but insurance
in this area would be a tremendous asset to E-Gold. Moreover, let the
customers BUY IT themselves. If I had an account with 1000 grams in it, I
certainly would pay for it.

SnowDog



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[e-gold-list] Insurance

2001-05-11 Thread Ben Legume



If I ran such a company I'd try to take some basic precautions 
against
insuring morons in the first place, maybe not an aptitude test per 
se, but something that would screen out the bottom-feeders.

Have a sign up page for the insurance scheme where it asks the 
potential insuree to enter their E-gold password. If they do so, 
blacklist them from the scheme!


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[e-gold-list] Insurance and the Future of Network Security

2001-03-17 Thread Bob

In the long run, the OS you choose for your business 
should make a difference in it's operating costs and 
in how some of your customers view the technical 
reliability of your business.

Bob


From Bruce Schneier's CRYPTO-GRAM:


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  Insurance and the Future of Network Security



Eventually, the insurance industry will subsume the computer security 
industry.  Not that insurance companies will start marketing security 
products, but rather that the kind of firewall you use -- along with the 
kind of authentication scheme you use, the kind of operating system you 
use, and the kind of network monitoring scheme you use -- will be
strongly 
influenced by the constraints of insurance.

Consider security, and safety, in the real world.  Businesses don't
install 
building alarms because it makes them feel safer; they do it because
they 
get a reduction in their insurance rates.  Building-owners don't install 
sprinkler systems out of affection for their tenants, but because
building 
codes and insurance policies demand it.  Deciding what kind of theft and 
fire prevention equipment to install are risk management decisions, and
the 
risk taker of last resort is the insurance industry.

This is sometimes hard for computer techies to understand, because the 
security industry has trained them to expect technology to solve their 
problems.  Remember when all you needed was a firewall, and then you
were 
safe?  Remember when it was an intrusion detection product?  Or a PKI? 
I 
think the current wisdom is that all you need is biometrics, or maybe
smart 
cards.

The real world doesn't work this way.  Businesses achieve security
through 
insurance.  They take the risks they are not willing to accept
themselves, 
bundle them up, and pay someone else to make them go away.  If a
warehouse 
is insured properly, the owner really doesn't care if it burns down or 
not.  If he does care, he's underinsured.  Similarly, if a network is 
insured properly, the owner won't care whether it is hacked or not.

This is worth repeating: a properly insured network is immune to the 
effects of hacking.  Concerned about denial-of-service attacks?  Get 
bandwidth interruption insurance.  Concerned about data corruption?  Get 
data integrity insurance.  (I'm making these policy names up, 
here.)  Concerned about negative publicity due to a widely publicized 
network attack?  Get a rider on your good name insurance that covers
that 
sort of event.  The insurance industry isn't offering all of these
policies 
yet, but it is coming.

When I talk about this future at conferences, a common objection I hear
is 
that premium calculation is impossible.  Again, this is a technical 
mentality talking.  Sure, insurance companies like well-understood risk 
profiles and carefully calculated premiums.  But they also insure
satellite 
launches and the palate of wine critic Robert Parker.  If an insurance 
company can protect Tylenol against some lunatic putting a poisoned
bottle 
on a supermarket shelf, anti-hacking insurance will be a snap.

Imagine the future  Every business has network security insurance,
just 
as every business has insurance against fire, theft, and any other 
reasonable threat.  To do otherwise would be to behave recklessly and be 
open to lawsuits.  Details of network security become check boxes when
it 
comes time to calculate the premium.  Do you have a firewall?  Which 
brand?  Your rate may be one price if you have this brand, and a
different 
price if you have another brand.  Do you have a service monitoring your 
network?  If you do, your rate goes down this much.

This process changes everything.  What will happen when the CFO looks at 
his premium and realizes that it will go down 50% if he gets rid of all
his 
insecure Windows operating systems and replaces them with a secure
version 
of Linux?  The choice of which operating system to use will no longer be 
100% technical.  Microsoft, and other companies with shoddy security,
will 
start losing sales because companies don't want to pay the insurance 
premiums.  In this vision of the future, how secure a product is becomes
a 
real, measurable, feature that companies are willing to pay
for...because 
it saves them money in the long run.

Other systems will be affected, too.  Online merchants and
brick-and-mortar 
merchants will have different insurance premiums, because the risks are 
different.  Businesses can add authentication mechanisms -- public-key 
certificates, biometrics, smart cards -- and either save or lose money 
depending on their effectiveness.  Computer security "snake-oil"
peddlers 
who make outlandish claims and sell ridiculous products will find no
buyers 
as long as the insurance industry doesn't recognize their value.  In
fact, 
the whole point of buying a security product or hiring a security
service 
will not be based on threat avoidance; it will be based on risk
management.

And it will be about