Re: [E3-hacking] Is it possible to install a Desktop Environment into E3 Linux

[Nick Griffin]

I wouldn’t know how to port Minix,can anyone else do it..?

Spanner..

From: Nick Griffin
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I believe it needs a hacked version of the original firmware really and 
everything would work and if you could hack the internet and email apps in the 
Main Software so it would work with a network adapter to download email and 
that.

But that will never happen because there is no interest in the device no more 
and its too old now. I would like a hacked version of it. You could put a 
Raspberry PI in it and would need a 6 inch screen. I would like to use it as 
intended, as a phone and that.

Spanner..

From: David Given
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Android's also way too big! Even the earliest version (I have one on my desk) 
needed 192MB. Current versions get a bit uncomfortable in 2048MB..

Linux is really too big for the E3; the OS, even the 10-year-old version the E3 
used, doesn't scale down well that far. Now, if you wanted to port something 
like Minix to it...

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 12:40, Nick Griffin 
mailto:span1...@live.com>> wrote:
Thanks, do I download the latest version, its a shame this can’t run Android, 
Android uses Linux to run, well Android is Linux in a way, it come from it If 
Linux didn’t exist Android wouldn't.

Spanner..

From: Ralph Corderoy
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Hi Nick,

> Has anyone got any ideas on how to show a gif on the E3 screen..?

If you have a working framebuffer then fbvis is a image viewer by
Ali Gholami Rudi who no longer uses X11.  See his `FRAMEBUFFER' section.
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flitcave.rudi.ir%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cc23d3bd2aac54a03c6ed08d6c181602e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636909158734999545sdata=R9NgcWO9AfU17MsJECM78S1jZbOirwzBTlgvtOxnrXQ%3Dreserved=0

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Re: [E3-hacking] Is it possible to install a Desktop Environment into E3 Linux

[Nick Griffin]

I believe it needs a hacked version of the original firmware really and 
everything would work and if you could hack the internet and email apps in the 
Main Software so it would work with a network adapter to download email and 
that.

But that will never happen because there is no interest in the device no more 
and its too old now. I would like a hacked version of it. You could put a 
Raspberry PI in it and would need a 6 inch screen. I would like to use it as 
intended, as a phone and that.

Spanner..

From: David Given
Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎15‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎11‎:‎57
To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer 
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Android's also way too big! Even the earliest version (I have one on my desk) 
needed 192MB. Current versions get a bit uncomfortable in 2048MB..

Linux is really too big for the E3; the OS, even the 10-year-old version the E3 
used, doesn't scale down well that far. Now, if you wanted to port something 
like Minix to it...

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 12:40, Nick Griffin 
mailto:span1...@live.com>> wrote:
Thanks, do I download the latest version, its a shame this can’t run Android, 
Android uses Linux to run, well Android is Linux in a way, it come from it If 
Linux didn’t exist Android wouldn't.

Spanner..

From: Ralph Corderoy
Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎15‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎10‎:‎04
To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer 
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Hi Nick,

> Has anyone got any ideas on how to show a gif on the E3 screen..?

If you have a working framebuffer then fbvis is a image viewer by
Ali Gholami Rudi who no longer uses X11.  See his `FRAMEBUFFER' section.
https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flitcave.rudi.ir%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cc23d3bd2aac54a03c6ed08d6c181602e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636909158734999545sdata=R9NgcWO9AfU17MsJECM78S1jZbOirwzBTlgvtOxnrXQ%3Dreserved=0

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Re: [E3-hacking] Is it possible to install a Desktop Environment into E3 Linux

[David Given]

Android's also way too big! Even the earliest version (I have one on my
desk) needed 192MB. Current versions get a bit uncomfortable in 2048MB..

Linux is really too big for the E3; the OS, even the 10-year-old version
the E3 used, doesn't scale down well that far. Now, if you wanted to port
something like Minix to it...

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 12:40, Nick Griffin  wrote:

> Thanks, do I download the latest version, its a shame this can’t run
> Android, Android uses Linux to run, well Android is Linux in a way, it come
> from it If Linux didn’t exist Android wouldn't.
>
> Spanner..
>
> *From:* Ralph Corderoy 
> *Sent:* ‎Monday‎, ‎15‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎10‎:‎04
> *To:* Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/software
> 
>
> Hi Nick,
>
> > Has anyone got any ideas on how to show a gif on the E3 screen..?
>
> If you have a working framebuffer then fbvis is a image viewer by
> Ali Gholami Rudi who no longer uses X11.  See his `FRAMEBUFFER' section.
>
> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Flitcave.rudi.ir%2Fdata=02%7C01%7C%7Cc23d3bd2aac54a03c6ed08d6c181602e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636909158734999545sdata=R9NgcWO9AfU17MsJECM78S1jZbOirwzBTlgvtOxnrXQ%3Dreserved=0
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Re: [E3-hacking] Is it possible to install a Desktop Environment into E3 Linux

[Ralph Corderoy]

Hi Nick,

> Has anyone got any ideas on how to show a gif on the E3 screen..?

If you have a working framebuffer then fbvis is a image viewer by
Ali Gholami Rudi who no longer uses X11.  See his `FRAMEBUFFER' section.
http://litcave.rudi.ir/

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Re: [E3-hacking] Is it possible to install a Desktop Environment into E3 Linux

[Ed Robbins]

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 22:19, Ed Robbins  wrote:

> gmenu2x is probably your best bet. It's a GUI that runs on the framebuffer
> using SDL, generally used to launch SDL applications. It's used on the
> zipit z2, gp2x etc (similar specs) mostly for launching emulators, music
> players etc.
>

Note: It's nothing like a proper desktop environment though.


>
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 22:00, Piotr Michniewski 
> wrote:
>
>> You could try animate from ImageMagick.
>>
>> --
>> Piotr Michniewski
>>
>>
>> niedz., 14 kwi 2019 o 22:48 Nick Griffin  napisał(a):
>>
>>> I guest it would be imposable, Has anyone got any ideas on how to show a
>>> gif on the E3 screen..?
>>>
>>> Spanner..
>>>
>>> *From:* Piotr Michniewski 
>>> *Sent:* ‎Sunday‎, ‎14‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎21‎:‎39
>>> *To:* Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/software
>>> 
>>>
>>> I used to run KDE 1.x and GNOME 1.x and even Mozilla on a PC with 32MB
>>> of RAM. But that was ~15 years ago. I think modern Mozilla would refuse to
>>> run with that.
>>> You could probably try to run some lightweight WMs like IceWM or
>>> something.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Piotr Michniewski
>>>
>>>
>>> niedz., 14 kwi 2019 o 22:24 Antony Stone 
>>> napisał(a):
>>>
 On Sunday 14 April 2019 at 22:05:45, Nick Griffin wrote:

 > I was thinking of the GNOME Desktop, It would need a light, or is it
 not
 > possible because the E3 is not powerful enough..?

 I don't know quite what sort of light you're thinking of using, but
 there is
 no way the E3 has anything like enough RAM to run a "standard" Linux
 graphical
 desktop environment.

 The CPU may be slow, but without enough RAM you'll get nowhere.


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Re: [E3-hacking] Is it possible to install a Desktop Environment into E3 Linux

[Piotr Michniewski]

You could try animate from ImageMagick.

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niedz., 14 kwi 2019 o 22:48 Nick Griffin  napisał(a):

> I guest it would be imposable, Has anyone got any ideas on how to show a
> gif on the E3 screen..?
>
> Spanner..
>
> *From:* Piotr Michniewski 
> *Sent:* ‎Sunday‎, ‎14‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎21‎:‎39
> *To:* Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer hardware/software
> 
>
> I used to run KDE 1.x and GNOME 1.x and even Mozilla on a PC with 32MB of
> RAM. But that was ~15 years ago. I think modern Mozilla would refuse to run
> with that.
> You could probably try to run some lightweight WMs like IceWM or something.
>
> --
> Piotr Michniewski
>
>
> niedz., 14 kwi 2019 o 22:24 Antony Stone 
> napisał(a):
>
>> On Sunday 14 April 2019 at 22:05:45, Nick Griffin wrote:
>>
>> > I was thinking of the GNOME Desktop, It would need a light, or is it not
>> > possible because the E3 is not powerful enough..?
>>
>> I don't know quite what sort of light you're thinking of using, but there
>> is
>> no way the E3 has anything like enough RAM to run a "standard" Linux
>> graphical
>> desktop environment.
>>
>> The CPU may be slow, but without enough RAM you'll get nowhere.
>>
>>
>> Antony.
>>
>> --
>> In Heaven, the beer is Belgian, the chefs are Italian, the supermarkets
>> are
>> British, the mechanics are German, the lovers are French, the
>> entertainment is
>> American, and everything is organised by the Swiss.
>>
>> In Hell, the beer is American, the chefs are British, the supermarkets
>> are
>> German, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, the entertainment
>> is
>> Belgian, and everything is organised by the Italians.
>>
>>Please reply to the
>> list;
>>  please *don't*
>> CC me.
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Re: [E3-hacking] Is it possible to install a Desktop Environment into E3 Linux

[Nick Griffin]

I guest it would be imposable, Has anyone got any ideas on how to show a gif on 
the E3 screen..?

Spanner..

From: Piotr Michniewski
Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎14‎ ‎April‎ ‎2019 ‎21‎:‎39
To: Discussion of the Amstrad E3 emailer 
hardware/software

I used to run KDE 1.x and GNOME 1.x and even Mozilla on a PC with 32MB of RAM. 
But that was ~15 years ago. I think modern Mozilla would refuse to run with 
that.
You could probably try to run some lightweight WMs like IceWM or something.

--
Piotr Michniewski


niedz., 14 kwi 2019 o 22:24 Antony Stone 
mailto:antony.st...@e3.open.source.it>> 
napisał(a):
On Sunday 14 April 2019 at 22:05:45, Nick Griffin wrote:

> I was thinking of the GNOME Desktop, It would need a light, or is it not
> possible because the E3 is not powerful enough..?

I don't know quite what sort of light you're thinking of using, but there is
no way the E3 has anything like enough RAM to run a "standard" Linux graphical
desktop environment.

The CPU may be slow, but without enough RAM you'll get nowhere.


Antony.

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British, the mechanics are German, the lovers are French, the entertainment is
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In Hell, the beer is American, the chefs are British, the supermarkets are
German, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, the entertainment is
Belgian, and everything is organised by the Italians.

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