Forgive me if I'm a bit simple but as I don’t have educational
responsibilities allows me to be reckless (Unfortunately I have not any
responsibility in science now too). Broadly speaking, I understand that
biology is not physics or chemistry. Many physics study plays with the
infinite term since its field of action is the universe, "infinites
universes". So if something happens and it is shown mathematically, based
on statistical probabilities, has to happen. The infinity has a very
limited application in biology since their field is the life on earth. So
if something happens and it is shown mathematically don´t have to occur in
biology. Here acts the common sense and empirical experimentation. This has
led, in my opinion, to some biologists and education systems to
underestimate, stupidly, to mathematics. I say stupidly because mathematics
is the language of science and the biological facts need besides common
sense be refuted mathematically. I.e. The undergraduate study of biology in
Spain mandatory had at first year with 12 credits of mathematics, 12
credits of chemistry, and 12 credits of physics (applied to biological
processes). In recent years the studies have been adapted to "european
system", seeking unification towards more practical and less theoretical.
Currently undergraduate study of biology have 4.5 credits of math, 6
credits of chemistry and 6 credits of physics applied to biological
processes. In my opinion to prioritize the practical knowledge reducing
basic theoretical knowledge in undergraduate studies of biology is a
mistake. To implement their practical knowledge the students could do a MS
and PhD. Almost in Spain we have gone from a system with few practical
knowledge to a system that prioritizes the practical over the theoretical
knowledge. We tipped the balance the other side.
Pd.- Regarding to teachers who don’t speak good English. I can understand
to the students, but more difficult is having to explain and defend an idea
in a language that isn’t your mother language. How many scientists English
speakers have tried to defend his doctoral disertation or their results at
a congress or journal in French, German or Spanish…? This could be a
mandatory exercise in every good university UK, USA... I think that it
would make to some ones more cautious, more understanding and more polite
when listening to a non-English speaking or acting as referee.
I know that English is currently the language of science. But the fact that
science can not be done unless you have a good level of English is a huge
handicap for many scientists who studied others languages as Spanish,
French or German when they were child. I.e. for a Spanish who don’t studied
English when was child is almost impossible to speak good English. It is a
problem of brain. The Spanish language use 5 vowels and the English
language12. How many great ideas and scientific have been lost because of
that English is the only one language of science?
All the best.
Carlos
2013/4/13 malcolm McCallum
> Something of interest to think about. Before you can mathematically
> model a system, you must first construct a conceptual model, hence
> Wilson's comments. Just like most sports where defense is half the
> game, and you can be a defensive specialist, a non-hitting pitcher (in
> american league) or a designated batter who never fields; in science
> you can become a conceptual or mathematical specialist.
>
> Having said this, my advice to all students is to keep taking math
> until you stop getting Cs. If you get a C (or even lower) in an
> advanced math course, few are going to ask why you got the lower
> grade, and most will admire that you gave it a shot.
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Trish Hunt
> wrote:
> > Jacksonville University offered a course in Statistics for the
> Biological Sciences. I learned a lot from that course and desperately
> wished that there was a similar Calculus course. I would really like to
> advance my knowledge in Calculus so that I may continue to Calc II and III,
> just to open the door for a Meteorological Masters, but I totally did NOT
> understand my required general Calc class. I worked "around" my calc test
> problems using any method I could remember from Algebra, Geometry, Trig, or
> trial and error in order to get a correct answer. I just didn't understand
> how Calc worked. I know I will eventually retake it in order to replace
> the low C I earned in the class...but I hope to find a biological/marine
> science geared Calculus course so that I can better understand the
> materialnow that I know those specialized courses in Calc exsist!
> Thank you for starting this thread! I had no idea such a course existed.
> >
> > Cheers!
> > Trish
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Robert Ford
> > To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
> > Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 10:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Calculus for Biology Majors
> >
> >
> > I would love if