Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-21 Thread Wayne Tyson
Martin,

I'm not dead certain of my memory either (experts please help), but if I recall 
correctly (and if the source(s) was/were correct), many "weeds" are 
non-mycorrhizal or facultatively so. I'm not sure of the Chenopodiaceae, but 
they seem to be notorious hyperaccumulators (as Popeye was famously aware), and 
I don't know whether or not they are ever mycorrhizal and what difference it 
may make. 

Has anybody really sorted this out? I don't want to hit the books, but if I did 
I would dig out Stebbins' "The Genetics of Colonizing Species." Sounds like a 
peach of an idea for a dissertation. 

WT

PS: The evolutionary history of mycorrhizal associations might hold a clue. 
What is it about root physiology that keeps some minerals in and some out? 
Semipermeable membranes? Something else (too)? How is the amount limited? 
Osmotic potential? Help! 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Martin Meiss 
  To: Wayne Tyson 
  Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 10:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other 
contaminants?


  Wayne,
 Your comment on mineral uptake by the mustard family reminded me 
(correctly, I hope) that the the cruciferae are one family that does not use 
mycorrhizae to mediate mineral uptake.  Maybe the mycorrhizal associations 
account for some of the variability in heavy-metal uptake in other families.

 Martin


  2011/4/16 Wayne Tyson 

The original post may be related to the "eat the weeds" movement, one I 
have long considered a good idea while suffering no illusions that it will have 
any real impact upon the weed "problem."

I eat weeds because I prefer them to most of their highly developed or 
CMO'd relatives. The weeds often, in addition to being more tasty, contain more 
nutrition than their cultivated cousins. Chenopodium album, for example, a 
common roadside weed, is one of my favorites. It is an "accumulator" (what 
plant isn't), containing a lot of iron (iron is a vital nutrient; it also is a 
poison--dosage is important). I do, however, pay attention to the substrate 
upon which they are growing. I prefer hillsides to stream bottoms unless I know 
the watershed is pretty free of contamination. Stream bottoms, especially those 
into which contaminants, often in the form of raw sewage drain, often contain 
the "best" crops of the lushest weeds. In my ignorance of the specifics, I rely 
upon the precautionary principle, "the solution to pollution is dilution," and 
a smidgen of knowledge (which we all know can often get one into more trouble 
than ignorance), and perhaps some myths I have unwittingly adsorbed (or worse, 
absorbed) along the way. I avoid roadsides and vacant lots of unknown history 
too. I trust my own ignorance more than that of agribusiness, but that's far 
from perfect.

WT


- Original Message ----- From: "malcolm McCallum" 


    To: 

Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:10 AM

Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other 
contaminants?


Wayne brings up a good point.

The bioavailability of toxic compounds, including metals is affected
by many things among which pH can be one.
In fact, the issue of TMDLs in the clean water act is based on problem
that each stream has its own water chemistry and organic load.  This
causes us to require specific total maximum daily loads (TMDLs) of
each compound for each stream (or portions thereof).  TMDLs were
supposed to be completed for surface waters in most states a long time
ago, unfortunately the process is not done everywhere!

Malcolm

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Wayne Tyson  wrote:

  Ecolog:

  This rings a vague bell for me too. There was some work done in the 
British
  Isles (Scotland) on very crisp ecotones across pH differences using one
  grass species. Also, I seem to recall that the Dutch were using willows 
that
  were supposed to be hyperaccumulators and they were burning them for fuel,
  then disposing of (or "mining") the heavy-metal "laden" ash. There is, of
  course, considerable literature on "phytoprospecting." I, too, would like 
to
  be brought up to date in this area, and educated on the particulars. For
  example, I would like to know just how accumulation or "rejection"
  functions, and what processes are involved. For example, how does pH 
affect
  the rate and amount of absorption? What other chemical and physiological
  processes are involved? Why are some heavy metals (chromium, selenium,
  arsenic, etc.) apparently readily absorbed (by the Chenopodiaceae, for
  example--and the mustard family), and lead apparently not? Is it as simple
  as semipermeable membranes, w

Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-20 Thread Martin Meiss
Wayne,
   Your comment on mineral uptake by the mustard family reminded me
(correctly, I hope) that the the cruciferae are one family that does not use
mycorrhizae to mediate mineral uptake.  Maybe the mycorrhizal associations
account for some of the variability in heavy-metal uptake in other families.

   Martin

2011/4/16 Wayne Tyson 

> The original post may be related to the "eat the weeds" movement, one I
> have long considered a good idea while suffering no illusions that it will
> have any real impact upon the weed "problem."
>
> I eat weeds because I prefer them to most of their highly developed or
> CMO'd relatives. The weeds often, in addition to being more tasty, contain
> more nutrition than their cultivated cousins. Chenopodium album, for
> example, a common roadside weed, is one of my favorites. It is an
> "accumulator" (what plant isn't), containing a lot of iron (iron is a vital
> nutrient; it also is a poison--dosage is important). I do, however, pay
> attention to the substrate upon which they are growing. I prefer hillsides
> to stream bottoms unless I know the watershed is pretty free of
> contamination. Stream bottoms, especially those into which contaminants,
> often in the form of raw sewage drain, often contain the "best" crops of the
> lushest weeds. In my ignorance of the specifics, I rely upon the
> precautionary principle, "the solution to pollution is dilution," and a
> smidgen of knowledge (which we all know can often get one into more trouble
> than ignorance), and perhaps some myths I have unwittingly adsorbed (or
> worse, absorbed) along the way. I avoid roadsides and vacant lots of unknown
> history too. I trust my own ignorance more than that of agribusiness, but
> that's far from perfect.
>
> WT
>
>
> - Original Message ----- From: "malcolm McCallum" <
> malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org>
>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:10 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other
> contaminants?
>
>
> Wayne brings up a good point.
>
> The bioavailability of toxic compounds, including metals is affected
> by many things among which pH can be one.
> In fact, the issue of TMDLs in the clean water act is based on problem
> that each stream has its own water chemistry and organic load.  This
> causes us to require specific total maximum daily loads (TMDLs) of
> each compound for each stream (or portions thereof).  TMDLs were
> supposed to be completed for surface waters in most states a long time
> ago, unfortunately the process is not done everywhere!
>
> Malcolm
>
> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Wayne Tyson  wrote:
>
>> Ecolog:
>>
>> This rings a vague bell for me too. There was some work done in the
>> British
>> Isles (Scotland) on very crisp ecotones across pH differences using one
>> grass species. Also, I seem to recall that the Dutch were using willows
>> that
>> were supposed to be hyperaccumulators and they were burning them for fuel,
>> then disposing of (or "mining") the heavy-metal "laden" ash. There is, of
>> course, considerable literature on "phytoprospecting." I, too, would like
>> to
>> be brought up to date in this area, and educated on the particulars. For
>> example, I would like to know just how accumulation or "rejection"
>> functions, and what processes are involved. For example, how does pH
>> affect
>> the rate and amount of absorption? What other chemical and physiological
>> processes are involved? Why are some heavy metals (chromium, selenium,
>> arsenic, etc.) apparently readily absorbed (by the Chenopodiaceae, for
>> example--and the mustard family), and lead apparently not? Is it as simple
>> as semipermeable membranes, whether or not they are soluble and under what
>> conditions? Is something going on in the rhizosphere that evades some
>> analytical procedures?
>>
>> WT
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Martin Meiss" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other
>> contaminants?
>>
>>
>> A long time ago, when I was learning about plant ecotypes, I heard of
>> research on the adaptation of plants to high lead levels found in piles of
>> mine tailings. If I remember correctly, local races of plants were forming
>> that were able to adapt to toxic soils. This raises these questions: if
>> plants ARE NOT taking up the heavy metals, what is the mode of toxicity?
>> (Are ions in the soil blocking the uptak

Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-16 Thread Wayne Tyson
The original post may be related to the "eat the weeds" movement, one I have 
long considered a good idea while suffering no illusions that it will have 
any real impact upon the weed "problem."


I eat weeds because I prefer them to most of their highly developed or CMO'd 
relatives. The weeds often, in addition to being more tasty, contain more 
nutrition than their cultivated cousins. Chenopodium album, for example, a 
common roadside weed, is one of my favorites. It is an "accumulator" (what 
plant isn't), containing a lot of iron (iron is a vital nutrient; it also is 
a poison--dosage is important). I do, however, pay attention to the 
substrate upon which they are growing. I prefer hillsides to stream bottoms 
unless I know the watershed is pretty free of contamination. Stream bottoms, 
especially those into which contaminants, often in the form of raw sewage 
drain, often contain the "best" crops of the lushest weeds. In my ignorance 
of the specifics, I rely upon the precautionary principle, "the solution to 
pollution is dilution," and a smidgen of knowledge (which we all know can 
often get one into more trouble than ignorance), and perhaps some myths I 
have unwittingly adsorbed (or worse, absorbed) along the way. I avoid 
roadsides and vacant lots of unknown history too. I trust my own ignorance 
more than that of agribusiness, but that's far from perfect.


WT


- Original Message - 
From: "malcolm McCallum" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other 
contaminants?



Wayne brings up a good point.

The bioavailability of toxic compounds, including metals is affected
by many things among which pH can be one.
In fact, the issue of TMDLs in the clean water act is based on problem
that each stream has its own water chemistry and organic load.  This
causes us to require specific total maximum daily loads (TMDLs) of
each compound for each stream (or portions thereof).  TMDLs were
supposed to be completed for surface waters in most states a long time
ago, unfortunately the process is not done everywhere!

Malcolm

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Wayne Tyson  wrote:

Ecolog:

This rings a vague bell for me too. There was some work done in the 
British

Isles (Scotland) on very crisp ecotones across pH differences using one
grass species. Also, I seem to recall that the Dutch were using willows 
that

were supposed to be hyperaccumulators and they were burning them for fuel,
then disposing of (or "mining") the heavy-metal "laden" ash. There is, of
course, considerable literature on "phytoprospecting." I, too, would like 
to

be brought up to date in this area, and educated on the particulars. For
example, I would like to know just how accumulation or "rejection"
functions, and what processes are involved. For example, how does pH 
affect

the rate and amount of absorption? What other chemical and physiological
processes are involved? Why are some heavy metals (chromium, selenium,
arsenic, etc.) apparently readily absorbed (by the Chenopodiaceae, for
example--and the mustard family), and lead apparently not? Is it as simple
as semipermeable membranes, whether or not they are soluble and under what
conditions? Is something going on in the rhizosphere that evades some
analytical procedures?

WT


----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Meiss" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other
contaminants?


A long time ago, when I was learning about plant ecotypes, I heard of
research on the adaptation of plants to high lead levels found in piles of
mine tailings. If I remember correctly, local races of plants were forming
that were able to adapt to toxic soils. This raises these questions: if
plants ARE NOT taking up the heavy metals, what is the mode of toxicity?
(Are ions in the soil blocking the uptake of needed substances?) What is
the mechanism of resistance that was evolving? If it involved the blocking
of uptake of lead and other metals, that implies that other, non-adapted
plants DO take them up.
Can any one comment on this aspect of the issue?

Martin M. Meiss

2011/4/15 Judy Che-Castaldo 


Hi Ben,
In general you are unlikely to find lead in the shoots of plants, because
it
is not very soluble and most plants exclude heavy metals. The edible
plants
that may have Pb would likely be leafy vegetables (grown close to the
ground) and root vegetables (as mentioned earlier) because of the
associated
soil particles containing Pb.

There are some plants that uptake heavy metals into their shoots but few
for
Pb, and even those may only do so under rare circumstances (such as
phosphorous deficiency - Chaney 2007 J. Environ. Qual. 36:1429–1443).. If
you are interested in other contaminants you can look into the metal
hyperaccumulation li

Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-16 Thread malcolm McCallum
Wayne brings up a good point.

The bioavailability of toxic compounds, including metals is affected
by many things among which pH can be one.
In fact, the issue of TMDLs in the clean water act is based on problem
that each stream has its own water chemistry and organic load.  This
causes us to require specific total maximum daily loads (TMDLs) of
each compound for each stream (or portions thereof).  TMDLs were
supposed to be completed for surface waters in most states a long time
ago, unfortunately the process is not done everywhere!

Malcolm

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Wayne Tyson  wrote:
> Ecolog:
>
> This rings a vague bell for me too. There was some work done in the British
> Isles (Scotland) on very crisp ecotones across pH differences using one
> grass species. Also, I seem to recall that the Dutch were using willows that
> were supposed to be hyperaccumulators and they were burning them for fuel,
> then disposing of (or "mining") the heavy-metal "laden" ash. There is, of
> course, considerable literature on "phytoprospecting." I, too, would like to
> be brought up to date in this area, and educated on the particulars. For
> example, I would like to know just how accumulation or "rejection"
> functions, and what processes are involved. For example, how does pH affect
> the rate and amount of absorption? What other chemical and physiological
> processes are involved? Why are some heavy metals (chromium, selenium,
> arsenic, etc.) apparently readily absorbed (by the Chenopodiaceae, for
> example--and the mustard family), and lead apparently not? Is it as simple
> as semipermeable membranes, whether or not they are soluble and under what
> conditions? Is something going on in the rhizosphere that evades some
> analytical procedures?
>
> WT
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "Martin Meiss" 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other
> contaminants?
>
>
>     A long time ago, when I was learning about plant ecotypes, I heard of
> research on the adaptation of plants to high lead levels found in piles of
> mine tailings.  If I remember correctly, local races of plants were forming
> that were able to adapt to toxic soils.  This raises these questions: if
> plants ARE NOT taking up the heavy metals, what is the mode of toxicity?
> (Are ions in the soil blocking the uptake of needed substances?)  What is
> the mechanism of resistance that was evolving?  If it involved the blocking
> of uptake of lead and other metals, that implies that other, non-adapted
> plants DO take them up.
>         Can any one comment on this aspect of the issue?
>
>               Martin M. Meiss
>
> 2011/4/15 Judy Che-Castaldo 
>
>> Hi Ben,
>> In general you are unlikely to find lead in the shoots of plants, because
>> it
>> is not very soluble and most plants exclude heavy metals.  The edible
>> plants
>> that may have Pb would likely be leafy vegetables (grown close to the
>> ground) and root vegetables (as mentioned earlier) because of the
>> associated
>> soil particles containing Pb.
>>
>> There are some plants that uptake heavy metals into their shoots but few
>> for
>> Pb, and even those may only do so under rare circumstances (such as
>> phosphorous deficiency - Chaney 2007 J. Environ. Qual. 36:1429–1443).  If
>> you are interested in other contaminants you can look into the metal
>> hyperaccumulation literature.  Many of these plants are in the mustard
>> family but probably are not normally eaten.
>>
>> best,
>> Judy
>>
>>
>> Judy Che-Castaldo
>> BEES program, Biology Dept.
>> University of Maryland
>> (301)351-8290
>> http://www.life.umd.edu/grad/BEES/students/che.html
>>
>
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Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-15 Thread Wayne Tyson

Ecolog:

This rings a vague bell for me too. There was some work done in the British 
Isles (Scotland) on very crisp ecotones across pH differences using one 
grass species. Also, I seem to recall that the Dutch were using willows that 
were supposed to be hyperaccumulators and they were burning them for fuel, 
then disposing of (or "mining") the heavy-metal "laden" ash. There is, of 
course, considerable literature on "phytoprospecting." I, too, would like to 
be brought up to date in this area, and educated on the particulars. For 
example, I would like to know just how accumulation or "rejection" 
functions, and what processes are involved. For example, how does pH affect 
the rate and amount of absorption? What other chemical and physiological 
processes are involved? Why are some heavy metals (chromium, selenium, 
arsenic, etc.) apparently readily absorbed (by the Chenopodiaceae, for 
example--and the mustard family), and lead apparently not? Is it as simple 
as semipermeable membranes, whether or not they are soluble and under what 
conditions? Is something going on in the rhizosphere that evades some 
analytical procedures?


WT


- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Meiss" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other 
contaminants?



 A long time ago, when I was learning about plant ecotypes, I heard of
research on the adaptation of plants to high lead levels found in piles of
mine tailings.  If I remember correctly, local races of plants were forming
that were able to adapt to toxic soils.  This raises these questions: if
plants ARE NOT taking up the heavy metals, what is the mode of toxicity?
(Are ions in the soil blocking the uptake of needed substances?)  What is
the mechanism of resistance that was evolving?  If it involved the blocking
of uptake of lead and other metals, that implies that other, non-adapted
plants DO take them up.
 Can any one comment on this aspect of the issue?

   Martin M. Meiss

2011/4/15 Judy Che-Castaldo 


Hi Ben,
In general you are unlikely to find lead in the shoots of plants, because
it
is not very soluble and most plants exclude heavy metals.  The edible
plants
that may have Pb would likely be leafy vegetables (grown close to the
ground) and root vegetables (as mentioned earlier) because of the
associated
soil particles containing Pb.

There are some plants that uptake heavy metals into their shoots but few
for
Pb, and even those may only do so under rare circumstances (such as
phosphorous deficiency - Chaney 2007 J. Environ. Qual. 36:1429–1443).  If
you are interested in other contaminants you can look into the metal
hyperaccumulation literature.  Many of these plants are in the mustard
family but probably are not normally eaten.

best,
Judy


Judy Che-Castaldo
BEES program, Biology Dept.
University of Maryland
(301)351-8290
http://www.life.umd.edu/grad/BEES/students/che.html




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Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-15 Thread Martin Meiss
  A long time ago, when I was learning about plant ecotypes, I heard of
research on the adaptation of plants to high lead levels found in piles of
mine tailings.  If I remember correctly, local races of plants were forming
that were able to adapt to toxic soils.  This raises these questions: if
plants ARE NOT taking up the heavy metals, what is the mode of toxicity?
(Are ions in the soil blocking the uptake of needed substances?)  What is
the mechanism of resistance that was evolving?  If it involved the blocking
of uptake of lead and other metals, that implies that other, non-adapted
plants DO take them up.
  Can any one comment on this aspect of the issue?

Martin M. Meiss

2011/4/15 Judy Che-Castaldo 

> Hi Ben,
> In general you are unlikely to find lead in the shoots of plants, because
> it
> is not very soluble and most plants exclude heavy metals.  The edible
> plants
> that may have Pb would likely be leafy vegetables (grown close to the
> ground) and root vegetables (as mentioned earlier) because of the
> associated
> soil particles containing Pb.
>
> There are some plants that uptake heavy metals into their shoots but few
> for
> Pb, and even those may only do so under rare circumstances (such as
> phosphorous deficiency - Chaney 2007 J. Environ. Qual. 36:1429–1443).  If
> you are interested in other contaminants you can look into the metal
> hyperaccumulation literature.  Many of these plants are in the mustard
> family but probably are not normally eaten.
>
> best,
> Judy
>
>
> Judy Che-Castaldo
> BEES program, Biology Dept.
> University of Maryland
> (301)351-8290
> http://www.life.umd.edu/grad/BEES/students/che.html
>


Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-15 Thread Judy Che-Castaldo
Hi Ben,
In general you are unlikely to find lead in the shoots of plants, because it
is not very soluble and most plants exclude heavy metals.  The edible plants
that may have Pb would likely be leafy vegetables (grown close to the
ground) and root vegetables (as mentioned earlier) because of the associated
soil particles containing Pb.

There are some plants that uptake heavy metals into their shoots but few for
Pb, and even those may only do so under rare circumstances (such as
phosphorous deficiency - Chaney 2007 J. Environ. Qual. 36:1429–1443).  If
you are interested in other contaminants you can look into the metal
hyperaccumulation literature.  Many of these plants are in the mustard
family but probably are not normally eaten.

best,
Judy


Judy Che-Castaldo
BEES program, Biology Dept.
University of Maryland
(301)351-8290
http://www.life.umd.edu/grad/BEES/students/che.html


Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-14 Thread malcolm McCallum
Just like animals, plants accumulate metals and similar toxins
throughout depending on the metal.  Many things are accumulated in the
roots, but also elsewhere.  For example, in an unpublished study we
were doing on an oxbow lake adjacent to the Red River we found
Chromium and several other metals in the leaves and stems of water
plants.  This ability of plants to remove certain compounds from the
environment stimulated the idea of phytoremediation to remove these
things from soils and water.

Water soluble contaminants have a more complex fate in plants because
they can enter and leave with water.  However, they also have the
capacity to more evenly distribute throughout the plant depending on
their molecular size.

Further, plants due to their use of photosynthesis have an extremely
well developed antioxidant enzyme system which provides them with a
powerful ability to detoxify compounds and deal with free radical
damage generated by contaminants.  Consequently, plants in some cases
can break down these compounds very effectively break down these
compounds.  Many herbicides in particular attack either the cell
membranes (paraquate like herbicides), the photosynthetic pathways, or
growth and lipid production of the meristems.  There are others.

I don't know a whole lot about plant toxicology, however, if you want
to learn more I would investigate the phytoremediation literature and
the literature on herbicide action in plants.  The agronomy literature
will tell you a lot obout this too.

Malcolm McCallum

On Wed, Apr 13, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Ben Bowman  wrote:
> I am looking for information about where different types of plants absorb and
> retain heavy metals and other toxins.
>
> I would like to compile a list of edible plants that are safe to propagate and
> consume despite soil contamination. This could include plants that absorb
> toxins but deposit them in isolated areas. I have been told, for example, that
> tree fruits can be planted in lead contaminated soil, because lead never rises
> high enough in trees to wind up in their fruits. Or, if you know of such a
> list already out there, I would love to see it!
>
> I think that lead is the most common toxin in many urban areas, so I am
> particularly interested in where plants deposit lead, but I would appreciate
> information on how/where they hold onto other toxins as well.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Ben
>



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Herpetological Conservation and Biology
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Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-14 Thread David L. McNeely
>From the University of Minnesota Extension Service:

http://www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/horticulture/DG2543.html

Might be a bit better than "I have been told  ."

mcneely

 Ben Bowman  wrote: 
> I am looking for information about where different types of plants absorb and 
> retain heavy metals and other toxins.
> 
> I would like to compile a list of edible plants that are safe to propagate 
> and 
> consume despite soil contamination. This could include plants that absorb 
> toxins but deposit them in isolated areas. I have been told, for example, 
> that 
> tree fruits can be planted in lead contaminated soil, because lead never 
> rises 
> high enough in trees to wind up in their fruits. Or, if you know of such a 
> list already out there, I would love to see it!
> 
> I think that lead is the most common toxin in many urban areas, so I am 
> particularly interested in where plants deposit lead, but I would appreciate 
> information on how/where they hold onto other toxins as well.
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> Ben

--
David McNeely


Re: [ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-14 Thread Judith S. Weis
Most plants put and store most of the metals in their roots. But the
percentage varies and you would have to look it up for particular species
and a particular metal. So plants where roots are eaten would not be
advised, but usually there would be much less in the stems, leaves or
fruits.



> I am looking for information about where different types of plants absorb
> and
> retain heavy metals and other toxins.
>
> I would like to compile a list of edible plants that are safe to propagate
> and
> consume despite soil contamination. This could include plants that absorb
> toxins but deposit them in isolated areas. I have been told, for example,
> that
> tree fruits can be planted in lead contaminated soil, because lead never
> rises
> high enough in trees to wind up in their fruits. Or, if you know of such a
> list already out there, I would love to see it!
>
> I think that lead is the most common toxin in many urban areas, so I am
> particularly interested in where plants deposit lead, but I would
> appreciate
> information on how/where they hold onto other toxins as well.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Ben
>


[ECOLOG-L] where do edible plants retain lead and other contaminants?

2011-04-14 Thread Ben Bowman
I am looking for information about where different types of plants absorb and 
retain heavy metals and other toxins.

I would like to compile a list of edible plants that are safe to propagate and 
consume despite soil contamination. This could include plants that absorb 
toxins but deposit them in isolated areas. I have been told, for example, that 
tree fruits can be planted in lead contaminated soil, because lead never rises 
high enough in trees to wind up in their fruits. Or, if you know of such a 
list already out there, I would love to see it!

I think that lead is the most common toxin in many urban areas, so I am 
particularly interested in where plants deposit lead, but I would appreciate 
information on how/where they hold onto other toxins as well.

Thanks for your help,
Ben