Re: Can natural selection drive development of aesthetic values in wildflowers?

2007-04-03 Thread Arcologic
 
Hello, folks,
 
I received several good answers to my question on aesthetics and flowers--  
thanks.
 
One particular response from Chad Tillberg at the U. of IL was sent to  me 
personally and I thought I should share it.  Here it is.
 
Ernie Rogers
--
 
Hi Ernie-

A great question that a lot of people have  investigated.  You might check
the literature on pollinator preference  and floral symmetry.  You'll find
that insect pollinators do tend to  prefer symmetrical flowers!  Why? 
Symmetrical flowers tend to have more  nectar.

A couple papers that might get you started in the lit could  be:

MOLLER AP 1995 BUMBLEBEE PREFERENCE FOR SYMMETRICAL FLOWERS.  PROCEEDINGS
OF THE NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCES OF THE UNITED STATES OF  AMERICA 92
(6): 2288-2292

Giurfa M, Eichmann B, Menzel R 1996 Symmetry  perception in an insect
NATURE 382 (6590): 458-461

What is the  significance of symmetry to the plant?  You will also come
across  studies that quantify correlates of plant fitness and floral
symmetry.   In general, higher symmetry is correlated with higher fitness.

As for  human perception, there is a large, interesting literature on  human
preferences for symmetry (eg. facial).  Perhaps our innate  preference for
symmetry also manifests as an appreciation for all those  symmetrical
flowers.

But insect pollinators seem to prefer symmetry  for reasons that are
selectively advantageous - symmetrical flowers are  better resources than
asymmetrical ones.  It isn't that the insects  'appreciate art', just that
they know where to find a better meal.  The  upshot is - pretty flowers!

Happy Spring!
Chad

> Many  wildflowers are very beautiful, meaning that they have highly
>  developed
> aesthetic values.  Some of these traits, such as showy  color,  size, and
> fragrance clearly give a flower great competitive  advantage in  attracting
> pollinators.  There are other  aesthetic values-- composition and
> symmetry-- for
> which no  competitive advantage is apparent. (To me, at  least.)
>
> But,  composition and symmetry (as artistic values) are highly  developed
>  in
> many wild flowers, and some of these are only pollinated by   insects.
> Should
> we conclude from this that insects can  "appreciate  art," or is there some
> other "scientific"  explanation?  Dare we allow a  non-scientific
>  explanation?
>
> I understand that beauty and its recognition is a  powerful  selector in
> man,
> but I think I can confine the  issue to just the  flowers.
>
> Forgive me if ignorance has  allowed me to bring up a question  with an
> easy
>  answer.
>
> Ernie Rogers
>

-- 
Chadwick V.  Tillberg
University of Illinois
School of Integrative  Biology





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Re: Can natural selection drive development of aesthetic values in wildflowers?

2007-03-30 Thread Aaron Heit
Ernie,

Flower symmetry is effected by several interacting environmental and
genetic facotrs.  Creating a range from perfectly to bilaterally
symmetrical flowers.  Based on the environmental and genetic factors,
symmetry or lack of can be attributed to developmental instability.  Thus,
how symmetrical a flower is may be a reliable cue of the flower's quality
(eg if a flower exhibits a high level of symmetry, it may be true
indicator of plant health and rewards/resources contained in the flower
which are attracting insects).

It is hard to tell though, if insects have the capabilities to detect fine
-scalled differences in symmetry, (in order to push the natural selection
of symmetric flowers).  Maybe someone knows more about insect visual
resolution?

As you probably know, symmetry (if that (I would assume it is)) is not the
only factor which attracts insects to flowers...bees, off hand are
attracted to color, odor, UV and size...Some will even discriminate
between the ages of flowers by the succession of color phases over time.

Interesting question...I'd like to know more

Aaron Heit
University of Wisconsin -- River Falls
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





> Many wildflowers are very beautiful, meaning that they have highly
> developed
> aesthetic values.  Some of these traits, such as showy color,  size, and
> fragrance clearly give a flower great competitive advantage in  attracting
> pollinators.  There are other aesthetic values-- composition and
> symmetry-- for
> which no competitive advantage is apparent. (To me, at  least.)
>
> But, composition and symmetry (as artistic values) are highly  developed
> in
> many wild flowers, and some of these are only pollinated by  insects.
> Should
> we conclude from this that insects can "appreciate  art," or is there some
> other "scientific" explanation?  Dare we allow a  non-scientific
> explanation?
>
> I understand that beauty and its recognition is a powerful  selector in
> man,
> but I think I can confine the issue to just the  flowers.
>
> Forgive me if ignorance has allowed me to bring up a question  with an
> easy
> answer.
>
> Ernie Rogers


Can natural selection drive development of aesthetic values in wildflowers?

2007-03-29 Thread Arcologic
Many wildflowers are very beautiful, meaning that they have highly  developed 
aesthetic values.  Some of these traits, such as showy color,  size, and 
fragrance clearly give a flower great competitive advantage in  attracting 
pollinators.  There are other aesthetic values-- composition and  symmetry-- 
for 
which no competitive advantage is apparent. (To me, at  least.)
 
But, composition and symmetry (as artistic values) are highly  developed in 
many wild flowers, and some of these are only pollinated by  insects.  Should 
we conclude from this that insects can "appreciate  art," or is there some 
other "scientific" explanation?  Dare we allow a  non-scientific explanation?
 
I understand that beauty and its recognition is a powerful  selector in man, 
but I think I can confine the issue to just the  flowers.
 
Forgive me if ignorance has allowed me to bring up a question  with an easy 
answer.
 
Ernie Rogers



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