Re: Discussion invited on peer review

2007-07-10 Thread Jeff Houlahan
To follow up on the points that Val made - do we see the fact that papers with 
flaws get past reviewers as a fundamental flaw in the review process?  I 
believe that sets the bar too high - every paper that gets to publication 
should, in my opinion, be seen as passing the first step in the review process. 
 From that point on it is in the public forum and open to continued criticism 
and rebuttal.  If the paper is of little interest we may never hear much about 
it again.  If it is of great general interest (and controversial) it may get 
'reviewed' several more times before it's conclusions are accepted by the 
larger scientific community.  
If I to approach every paper I review as if it is my responsibility to catch 
every single mistake I'm not sure I could in good conscious agree to review any 
papers.  There are areas where I believe I have strengths and I tend to focus 
on those areas when I review papers.  For example, I am not a great writer and 
so don't often have a whole lot to say about writing style.  You do the best 
you can and hope the paper is not fundamentally flawed and the better for 
having been reviewed - I suspect we are usually (but not always) successful in 
meeting those goals.  That doesn't mean the rest of the scientific community 
should abdicate its responsibility to read these papers carefully and 
critically.  Best.

Jeff Houlahan


Re: Discussion invited on peer review

2007-07-09 Thread Val Smith
I am puzzled by writer Stan Moore's query, "These are questions that 
enter my mind after perceiving many failures in peer review while 
reading the scientific literature over the years."

I have several key questions:
1. Which scientific literature has been read, and was being referred 
to?  Is this the scientific discipline in which the writer was trained?

2. What was the nature of the perceived failures of review?  Was he 
concerned by verifiable errors of fact?  Clear errors in data 
analysis, statistical or otherwise?  Clear errors in interpretation 
of the data?  Were the paper's conclusions suspect, and if so, why?

3. I have no idea what is meant by the writer's query about "ultimate 
and subultimate goals."  Has the writer himself served as a referee?

After almost three decades of serving either as an Associate Editor 
(AE) or as reviewer for more than a dozen different journals, both in 
ecology as well as in general science (Science, Nature, PNAS), I have 
never once considered the review process to be a superficial 
exercise, and I certainly never considered it to be primarily a 
spell-checking and grammar review exercise.

On the contrary, I view the role of reviewer as a critical component 
of the scientific process:  he or she is expected by the journal in 
question to accept or reject manuscripts based upon a number of key 
criteria, including (but not limited to) suitability for the journal 
in question; the methodologies used; scientific soundness; 
consistency with existing knowledge; the quality of exposition; and 
the degree to which the authors' conclusions are supported by the 
data which were presented and analyzed in the manuscript being 
reviewed.  As an AE, I always chose reviewers who were considered to 
be established, knowledgeable experts in the research topic covered 
by the manuscript being reviewed.  As a reviewer, I will not accept 
an invitation to review any manuscript written by a close personal 
friend or close collaborator.

Please remember, this is objective science we are talking about, and 
not subjective politics.  In dealing with the general public, for 
example, I try to emphasize that scientific papers are not like 
articles in Time magazine.  Opinions don't count:  hypothesis 
testing, the use of rigorous and up-to-date scientific methodologies, 
and the collection of independently verifiable data are essential 
currencies of legitimate scientific inquiry.  Fraud and deliberate 
manipulations or distortions of the data will ultimately be 
identified and revealed as falsehoods, and will be rejected by the 
scientific community.

I urge the writer to view the Instructions for Reviewers of ESA 
journals at http://esapubs.org/esapubs/reviewers.htm, which I hope 
will help address many of his questions and concerns; similar 
guidelines for reviewers are available on line for many other 
scientific journals.  As emphasized by the ESA guidelines, objective, 
high quality peer reviews are essential for insuring the quality of 
scholarly journals -- and thus for insuring the advancement of 
scientific knowledge.

Val H. Smith
Professor
Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology
University of Kansas
Lawrence, KS 66045


At 03:53 PM 7/9/2007, Ben Bond-Lamberty wrote:
>On 7/9/07 9:53 AM, "stan moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > What is the minimal obligation of any peer reviewer for any scientific
> > publication? For instance -- must the peer reviewer read all the reference
> > materials?
>No: the time commitment could be enormous.  But presumably the reviewer is
>someone in the field, and so will be familiar with most of the references.
>I would say the "minimal obligation" is to read and professionally evaluate
>the ms, while disclosing any conflicts of interest, within the time period
>requested by the journal.
>
> > How much time and effort should go into any peer review?
>I expect, on average, to spend 2-5 hours on a ms, including writing the
>evaluation.
> >
> > What should be the ultimate and subultimate goals of the reviewer?
>??
> >
> > For instance, is the overall objective of the paper under 
> review subject
> > to question?
>Sure.  Perhaps it isn't appropriate for the journal, for instance.
> >
> > Is peer review more superficial and mostly a spell-checking and grammar
> > review excercise?
>Not in my experience.
> >
> > On what basis should peer reviewers be chosen -- species expertise,
> > technical application of scientific method?
>Either or both.  Ideally a ms is read by many reviewers who bring multiple
>points of view to bear.
> >
> > Does reviewer acquaintance, friendship, collaboration with author(s)
> > constitute bias?
>Yes, and thus it should be disclosed.  But it doesn't necessarily disqualify
>the reviewer.
> >
> > How should obvious errors in peer review after publication be dealt with?
>Can you give a more concrete example?
>
> > These are questions that enter my mind after perceiving many failures in
> > peer review while

Re: Discussion invited on peer review

2007-07-09 Thread Ben Bond-Lamberty
On 7/9/07 9:53 AM, "stan moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> What is the minimal obligation of any peer reviewer for any scientific
> publication? For instance -- must the peer reviewer read all the reference
> materials?
No: the time commitment could be enormous.  But presumably the reviewer is
someone in the field, and so will be familiar with most of the references.
I would say the "minimal obligation" is to read and professionally evaluate
the ms, while disclosing any conflicts of interest, within the time period
requested by the journal.
 
> How much time and effort should go into any peer review?
I expect, on average, to spend 2-5 hours on a ms, including writing the
evaluation.
> 
> What should be the ultimate and subultimate goals of the reviewer?
??
> 
> For instance, is the overall objective of the paper under review subject
> to question?
Sure.  Perhaps it isn't appropriate for the journal, for instance.
> 
> Is peer review more superficial and mostly a spell-checking and grammar
> review excercise?
Not in my experience.
> 
> On what basis should peer reviewers be chosen -- species expertise,
> technical application of scientific method?
Either or both.  Ideally a ms is read by many reviewers who bring multiple
points of view to bear.
> 
> Does reviewer acquaintance, friendship, collaboration with author(s)
> constitute bias?
Yes, and thus it should be disclosed.  But it doesn't necessarily disqualify
the reviewer.
> 
> How should obvious errors in peer review after publication be dealt with?
Can you give a more concrete example?

> These are questions that enter my mind after perceiving many failures in
> peer review while reading the scientific literature over the years.
I'd be interested in what for you constitutes a "failure" of peer review.
Such failures certainly exist, but the most notorious cases (Henrik Schon,
for instance) involve fabrication of data.  Peer review can't be expected to
catch this: reviewers and editors must assume basic honesty on the author's
part.

Ben


Discussion invited on peer review

2007-07-09 Thread stan moore
Folks --

I would like to see and participate in a discussion of peer review, 
including concepts such as:


What is the minimal obligation of any peer reviewer for any scientific 
publication?

For instance -- must the peer reviewer read all the reference materials?

How much time and effort should go into any peer review?

What should be the ultimate and subultimate goals of the reviewer?

For instance, is the overall objective of the paper under review subject 
to question?

Is peer review more superficial and mostly a spell-checking and grammar 
review excercise?

On what basis should peer reviewers be chosen -- species expertise, 
technical application of scientific method?

Does reviewer acquaintance, friendship, collaboration with author(s) 
constitute bias?

How should obvious errors in peer review after publication be dealt with?



These are questions that enter my mind after perceiving many failures in 
peer review while reading the scientific literature over the years.  I 
wonder if others have noticed the same thing, if there are standards that 
are being violated, and if there is need for some sort of action to improve 
the process.



Stan Moore  San Geronimo, CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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