> <sigh> is there any need to take things *so* personally? </sigh>
>

Sorry Rob.. sarcasm doesn't go well with me.

> please take the trouble the find out who you're flaming before starting a
> war that you're going to loose. for example, try www.google.com and search
> for '"jon stevens"+ java'. at the moment, jon's being really pretty
> constructive - if you take the time to discuss things with him in a mature
> way, jon has a huge amount to teach you about writing frameworks.

thanks for google tip.. now i have a picture of Jon, cool..

>
> finally FYI ecs isn't a failed project - just a mature one. there is a
> difference.
>

and these are the words from Jon himself "That is why this project is nearly
dead..." ??




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