Re: Alscal vs. NCSS

2001-07-16 Thread John Uebersax

As the other reply suggested, perhaps there is a problem with local
maxima.

Or maybe, since these are different programs, the commands in one case
were incorrect.  Why not run a metric MDS for comparison purposes? 
That might help you decide whether the Alscal or NCSS results are
suspect.

John Uebersax
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Niko Tiliopoulos) wrote in message 
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> Dear all,
> 
> I have two questions regarding MDS:
> 
> 1. I have run an NMDS through Alscal (SPSS) and NCSS, and the
> representations of the variables on a 2-dimensional map look
> completely different. As far as I can tell, I am using the same
> procedure in both algorhythms, so I cannot understand why I get
> different results, and which one I should prefer as more accurate.
> 
> 2. Does anyone know which of the following two stress indices should
> be used with data from psychometric instruments (e.g. personality
> questionnaire):
> 
> Kruskal's or Guttman-Lingoes?
> 
> Thank you
> 
> Niko Tiliopoulos


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Re: Alscal vs. NCSS

2001-07-14 Thread EugeneGall

NMDS can get trapped in local minima.  It is advisable to use several random
configurations as starting points and choose the solution with the lowest
Stress (Kruskal or Young's - I don't have a preference).  I checked SPSS and it
doesn't have a random initial configuration that I could see.  That is an
option with the Bell labs KYST-2 program that I use (an old Fortran version)


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Alscal vs. NCSS

2001-07-14 Thread Niko Tiliopoulos

Dear all,

I have two questions regarding MDS:

1. I have run an NMDS through Alscal (SPSS) and NCSS, and the
representations of the variables on a 2-dimensional map look
completely different. As far as I can tell, I am using the same
procedure in both algorhythms, so I cannot understand why I get
different results, and which one I should prefer as more accurate.

2. Does anyone know which of the following two stress indices should
be used with data from psychometric instruments (e.g. personality
questionnaire):

Kruskal's or Guttman-Lingoes?

Thank you

Niko Tiliopoulos


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