Re: Need Good book on foundations of statistics

2001-06-12 Thread Sidney Thomas

I just posted this to sci.stat.edu. With apologies to those who would
see it twice, I post it again, this time cross-posted to
comp.ai.fuzzy, where it may also be of interest.

Neville X. Elliven wrote:
 
 R. Jones wrote:
 
 Can anyone refer me to a good book on the foundations of statistics?
 I want to know of the limitations, assumptions, and philosophy
 behind statistics.
 
 Probability, Statistics, and Truth by Richard von Mises is available
 in paperback [ISBN 0-486-24214-5] and might be just what you seek.

May I suggest my own Fuzziness and Probability (ACG Press, 1995).
In attempting to reconcile the competing paradigmatic claims to
representing uncertainty, of fuzzy set theory (FST) on the one hand,
and probability/statistical inference theory (PST) on the other, I
was driven to look deeply into the foundations, not only of these
two, but also of measurement theory, deductive and inductive logic,
decision analysis, and the relevant aspects of semantics. I also
found it necessary to be clear as to the notion of what constitutes a
model, and logically prior to that, what constitutes a phenomenon,
which competing models seek in some way to represent. I think I have
succeeded, not only in reconciling the competing claims of FST and
PST, but also in finding the extended likelihood calculus which
eluded Fisher, and the generations of statisticians since. Likelihood
theory thus far has been considered inadequate because simple
maximization rules of maginalization and set evaluation fail in
significant cases, which may in part have temptingly led Bayesians to
substitute a probabilistic model, now necessarily subjectivist, for
what is in actuality a possibilistic sort of uncertainty.
Classicists, quite rightly, have never accepted this insistent
Bayesian subjectivism, while Bayesians, quite understandably, have
been impatient with the cautious, indirect characterizations of
statistical uncertainty that are the hallmark of classical
(Neyman-Pearson) statistical method. An extended likelihood calculus
which is as easy of manipulation as the probability calculus, but
without the injection of subjective priors, seems to me to offer a
solution to the disagreements that beset the foundations of
statistical inference. At any rate, the original poster may want to
take a look see. Be all that as it may, I would also commend to the
original poster to the following two sources, which I found to be
very helpful when I was asking the sorts of questions which the
original poster now poses:

1) Sir Ronald A. Fisher.  (1951). Statistical Methods and Scientific
Inference.  Collier MacMillan, 1973 (third edition).

2) V.P. Godambe and D.A. Sprott (eds.).  (1971). Foundations of
Statistical Inference: A Symposium. Toronto, Montreal: Holt, Rinehart
and Winston.

There are many other worthwhile references, but these two helped me
enormously in framing the core issues. The latter was especially
useful for the informal commentaries and rejoinders which saw
respective champions of the three main schools of thought --
classical, Bayesian, and likelihood -- going at each other in
vigorous debate.

 A discussion of how the quantum world may have
 different laws of statistics might be a plus.
 
 The statistical portion of statistical mechanics is fairly simple, and
 no different conceptually from other statistics.

But from the standpoint of one whose interest is in the
quantum-theoretic application domain, there is a very real question
of where fuzziness ends, and probability begins. I remember reading
Penrose's The Emperor's New Mind, and thinking -- idly, it's not my
field and I haven't tried to follow up -- that at least some of the
uncertainty in the quantum world is of the fuzzy rather than
probabilistic sort. The original poster is certainly well-advised to
explore the foundations of uncertainty, period, as distinct from
purely statistical uncertainty.

Hope this is of some help.

Regards,
S. F. Thomas


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Re: Need Good book on foundations of statistics

2001-06-04 Thread Rich Ulrich

On 1 Jun 2001 19:07:31 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Can anyone refer me to a good book on the foundations of statistics?

Stigler's The History of Statistics  is the most widely read of
recent popular histories.  It covers pre-1900.  His newer
book is Statistics on the Table  and I enjoyed that one, too.
It includes the founding of *modern*  statistics in, say, the 1930s,
in addition to much older anecdotes.


 I want to know of the limitations, assumptions, and philosophy
 behind statistics. A discussion of how the quantum world may have
 different laws of statistics might be a plus.

That last sentence makes me think that you don't know any
answers to the sentence just previous to it.
 ... have different laws  is certainly not the way statisticians
would put it.  Leptons *obey*  different laws than baryons do
(I think), but the laws are descriptions that were imagined by 
human beings.  

I suppose one way to describe the dilemma of physics might
be, It is trying to force all of these particles into fitting
descriptions that are less than ideal (or, so it keeps working out).


I think it is curious and interesting that the physicists at the 
highest levels of abstraction -- cosmology; and high-energy
particles/relativity -- are beginning to use fairly ordinary 
'statistical tests' to judge whether they have anything.  
IS there oscillation in the measured background of stars, near 4
degrees kelvin, across the whole universe?
IF they continued CERN for another 18 months, would there have
been another dozen or so  *apparent*  particles of the right type, 
so they could conclude that the number observed was 'significant'  
at the one-in-a-million level, instead of just one-in-two-hundred?

-- 
Rich Ulrich, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.pitt.edu/~wpilib/index.html


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Need Good book on foundations of statistics

2001-06-01 Thread jonesrob


Can anyone refer me to a good book on the foundations of statistics?
I want to know of the limitations, assumptions, and philosophy
behind statistics. A discussion of how the quantum world may have
different laws of statistics might be a plus.

R. Jones
Emporia State U.

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