Re: [Edu-sig] gimme more computers (rant)

2014-11-29 Thread kirby urner
On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:17 AM, kirby urner kirby.ur...@gmail.com wrote:


  SNIP 

 But the marketing of the Big Money Firms in IT-industry will pay off some
 time. Hey, lets burn lots of money for more computers in school - sounds
 GREAT.

 Crazy...

 Christian



 I think many students would be better served if the emphasis were on
 creating for them a safe personal workspace, with plenty of bandwidth to
 the outside world, with opportunities for 2-way interactions (so not just
 receiving broadcast television, as in the mindless consumer couch potato
 model of the late 1900s).


This seemed an interesting thread so I continued it here:

http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2661482

(math-teach is another old haunt of mine)

Kirby


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Re: [Edu-sig] gimme more computers (rant)

2014-11-26 Thread Christian Mascher

Hi Laura,



Children all over Sweden are getting ipads, ruggardized from the school
districts.  They are 240 x 170 mm, and apple has done a very good job of
convincing education officials that this is where the 'computer literacy'
money should be spent.


I think the public attitude to computers and education (all over the 
world) is crazy.


You don't _need_ computers for education. Computers are extremely 
overrated concerning school education in my personal view.


It is useful to have some computer literacy, but compared with 
literacy itself: many orders of magnitude difference in usefulness, so 
actually the word 'computer literacy' is an exaggeration in itself.


In Germany they just published a study, showing that we are far behind 
Canada and many other OECD-states regarding computer-use in schools. No 
journalist even questioned the general assumption that this is 
necessarily a bad thing the public should get hysterical about. I also 
haven't heard about German engineers being lo-tech because they weren't 
allowed to look up everything in wikipedia when they went to school.


But the marketing of the Big Money Firms in IT-industry will pay off 
some time. Hey, lets burn lots of money for more computers in school - 
sounds GREAT.


Crazy...

Christian



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Re: [Edu-sig] gimme more computers (rant)

2014-11-26 Thread kirby urner
 SNIP 

But the marketing of the Big Money Firms in IT-industry will pay off some
 time. Hey, lets burn lots of money for more computers in school - sounds
 GREAT.

 Crazy...

 Christian



I think many students would be better served if the emphasis were on
creating for them a safe personal workspace, with plenty of bandwidth to
the outside world, with opportunities for 2-way interactions (so not just
receiving broadcast television, as in the mindless consumer couch potato
model of the late 1900s).

In a comfortable middle class household, Johnny already has a heated
bedroom with a desk, books, and computer, but has to leave this workspace
to rub shoulders with peers in a daycare setting we call school.

Said school may censor Youtube and/or otherwise block access to
information, so for many school-goers the experience of school is of
burning an expensive fuel to frequent a less information-rich environment
than their own comfortable bedrooms.

However many children are doubled up with siblings, and have cold, cramped
accommodations with little space for reflection, study, and private
contemplation.

Having the state funnel all the money to these daycare centers i.e.
state-run schools (often similar to state-run prisons in their
administrative structures and food) versus addressing these low living
standards that inhibit scholarship, would seem a poor policy, one based on
misguided priorities.

In Alaska, where students may be too spread out to make school a
practicality, the state reimburses home expenses for computer and musical
instrument rental.  Johnny in effect becomes an income-earner for the
family in terms of making the household eligible for these services.
Getting an education means directly investing in the quality of life at
home.

A teacher-mentor may visit once every week or two.

I think we should tease apart spending on connectivity devices (such a
mobile phones, tablets, laptops) from building up an inventory of such
devices in school buildings (as in stockpiling schools with computer
equipment).

These are not the same thing, even if both approaches involve investing in
connectivity and computation devices (a smartphone is also a scientific
calculator, and a compass).

Another use case:  here in Portland, Free Geek tutors both minors and
adults in how to disassemble and reassemble computers from donated
hardware.  Build five and the sixth is yours to keep (or maybe it's build
four and the fifth is yours).

Kids get a Freek Box to take home, with support classes in Ubuntu.

Schools are not involved yet here we have an incubator for Portland's
IT-minded subcultures of tomorrow (and today -- Free Geek has been around
for a generation already).

Also, again in Portland, although schools may have computers, chances are
they don't teach mathematics and programming as a combined subject.  We
have another institution called Saturday Academy that pilots courses of
that genre.

Sure, in some of the better schools you'll find the math + programming mix,
but it's still esoteric, even in 2014 with all the needed software free,
and hardware quite inexpensive.

So that's another reason to not throw a lot of money at putting computers
in schools:  the adults who staff them generally don't have enough skills
to make good use of them.

Better that Sally should stay home and watch instructional Youtubes about a
math + programming approach to STEM.  She just won't find that at her local
day care center.  Why waste Sally's time?

Kirby
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