Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
take me out off the list. thank you happy holydays --- On Tue, 12/23/08, yannick wrote: From: yannick Subject: Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work To: "Ekiga mailing list" Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 7:02 PM Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 00:51 +0100, yannick a écrit : > Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 00:14 +0100, Torsten Crass a écrit : > > both clients are sitting behind the same router > > That might explain your trouble, the test ekiga use to get your internet > IP might confuse the 2 clients as they have the same public IP. The best > I can think of is try to setup bonjour for windows > http://support.apple.com/downloads/Bonjour_for_Windows > > Then clients should automatically appears in the roster. > Damien, if i understand correctly the situation STUN gives both client the same IP. When client A try to signaling with client B, ekiga.net gives the IP of client B to client A; is there a test to check if both IP are the the same to pop up an error message ? Maybe with a link to our wiki? Is it worth to report feature request in bugzilla for this? > Best regards, > Yannick -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:yann...@ekiga.net Logiciel de VoIP Ekiga : http://www.ekiga.org http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
Yannick, After some googling, it seems quite clear to me this router ( Speedport W770V ) tries to help ekiga, and doing so it confuse it. Almost all the interesting pages are in german, I wont be able to help further configuring this router, but here is one good exemple of this router dealing with the SIP protocol: http://www.sipload.de/hilfe/inst_speed.php thank you *so* much -- I guess this information will help me a lot getting thing to work! (Shame on me I didn't find this and similar pages myself -- suppose I didn't because I always had "Ekiga" among my query terms, but the issues I encountered obviously were generally sip-related rather than being Ekiga-specific... Anyway, good to learn that I wasn't entirely stupid, but things are really a bit more complicated with Speedport routers!) [...] I hope this will help. I'm confident it will -- thanks again! Hope you got many nice presents -- Torsten -- Dr. rer. nat. Torsten Crass Biochemiker - Bioinformatiker Breite Lade 20 31275 Lehrte Tel. 05132/8219177 torsten.cr...@ebiology.de http://www.tcrass.de ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 13:49 +0100, Torsten Crass a écrit : > The first issue seemed > to have been related to NAT stuff (again) -- my relatives' router (a > German T-Online Speedport W700V) "successfully" blocked my attempts > to > even register with ekiga.net; registration was possible only after > completely disabling the built-in firewall. I wonder which wicked > things > this router was trying to do -- instead of just translating my > datagrams' addresses to and fro. (Anybody else out there having > trouble > with Speeport routers...? Models W770V and W500 (without "V") in > particular) > > But even after disabling the firewall and successful registration > (here > comes the 2nd problem) neither audio nor video was transmitted when > trying out ekiga.net's echo service. :-( > After some googling, it seems quite clear to me this router ( Speedport W770V ) tries to help ekiga, and doing so it confuse it. Almost all the interesting pages are in german, I wont be able to help further configuring this router, but here is one good exemple of this router dealing with the SIP protocol: http://www.sipload.de/hilfe/inst_speed.php As Ekiga and the router try to both deal with SIP at the same time but are not able to coordinate the effort, the result is a failure. This issue, the lack of communication about the network topology between the end-point (the ekiga softphone) and the router is a general issue for the internet. There is people working on to solve it in the internet standardisation field. ICE looks very promising: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-19 Still there is no such standard at the moment. As a result, some router designer feels free to add or not support for SIP and they mostly do it there own way. It can be good reasons to implement SIP support in the router, as it seems the best spot in the LAN to deal with the internet, IPs, ports etc. Maybe it will add some benefits with this router (e.g. prioritising VoIP over other connections like games). Thus you have to manually configure either Ekiga, either the router, maybe both. In Ekiga you can disable the STUN support, as descibed in this feature request (there is no option to do so in ekiga 3.0.x): http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=562347 But as it is the windows version, you'll find this configuration in a file probably located here: C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR LOGIN\Applications Data\ekiga.conf The key should be something like: general/nat/method, and you probably needs to turn it to 0 to disable STUN support (i'm not really sure, as i get this information from the linux version...) Maybe this operation will be enough to get ekiga working on windows with this router, maybe you'll need to configure the router too. I cannot help for this step :( > Dammit, I'd really love to see an idiot-proof open-protocoll-based > open-source alternative to the "Microsoft of internet telephony", as > one > might call Skype... > Skype face exactly the same situation (except for the skype support in routers which seems very unlikely as the protocol is closed) and it deals with it using as many tricks it can, relaying on a peer-to-peer internet subnetwork. This way of doing things is a MAJOR trouble for security concerns and is against a healthy internet. Still it works in most cases... > So if anyone had some idea on how to deal with the above mentioned > issues, I'd be glad... Or maybe some debug info (yes, meanwhile I > learned how to make Ekiga talk... :-) would be helpful? I hope this will help. Best regards, Yannick ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
Yannick (and others), If your ekigas were not on the same LAN, it would have work as it work for me and my friend. Installing bonjour on the windows platform will make it work inside your LAN. I see... ok, but since my current setup (both Linux and Windows behind the same NAT router) was supposed to serve testing purposes only and the target scenario will encompass two separate LANs, I don't think I should like installing bonjour on the Windows machine. This morning I tried to connect to our home LAN (the Windows client) from my sister-in-law's place (hooked up my Linux laptop to their DSL router (128 kBit/s upstream)) -- just to experience some new problems preventing me from successfully "phoning home". The first issue seemed to have been related to NAT stuff (again) -- my relatives' router (a German T-Online Speedport W700V) "successfully" blocked my attempts to even register with ekiga.net; registration was possible only after completely disabling the built-in firewall. I wonder which wicked things this router was trying to do -- instead of just translating my datagrams' addresses to and fro. (Anybody else out there having trouble with Speeport routers...? Models W770V and W500 (without "V") in particular) But even after disabling the firewall and successful registration (here comes the 2nd problem) neither audio nor video was transmitted when trying out ekiga.net's echo service. :-( Dammit, I'd really love to see an idiot-proof open-protocoll-based open-source alternative to the "Microsoft of internet telephony", as one might call Skype... So if anyone had some idea on how to deal with the above mentioned issues, I'd be glad... Or maybe some debug info (yes, meanwhile I learned how to make Ekiga talk... :-) would be helpful? But anyway... top priority these day is, of course, celebrating Christmas with your loved ones (at least if you adhere to the underlying belief system ;-) So enjoy the day -- Torsten ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 00:51 +0100, yannick a écrit : > Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 00:14 +0100, Torsten Crass a écrit : > > both clients are sitting behind the same router > > That might explain your trouble, the test ekiga use to get your internet > IP might confuse the 2 clients as they have the same public IP. The best > I can think of is try to setup bonjour for windows > http://support.apple.com/downloads/Bonjour_for_Windows > > Then clients should automatically appears in the roster. > To clarify my point: If your ekigas were not on the same LAN, it would have work as it work for me and my friend. Installing bonjour on the windows platform will make it work inside your LAN. > Best regards, > Yannick > > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:yann...@ekiga.net Logiciel de VoIP Ekiga : http://www.ekiga.org http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 01:02 +0100, yannick a écrit : > Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 00:51 +0100, yannick a écrit : > > Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 00:14 +0100, Torsten Crass a écrit : > > > both clients are sitting behind the same router > > > > That might explain your trouble, the test ekiga use to get your internet > > IP might confuse the 2 clients as they have the same public IP. The best > > I can think of is try to setup bonjour for windows > > http://support.apple.com/downloads/Bonjour_for_Windows > > > > Then clients should automatically appears in the roster. > > > > Damien, if i understand correctly the situation STUN gives both client > the same IP. When client A try to signaling with client B, ekiga.net > gives the IP of client B to client A; is there a test to check if both > IP are the the same to pop up an error message ? Maybe with a link to > our wiki? Is it worth to report feature request in bugzilla for this? > Unfortunately the PDU comes from ekiga.net. Perhaps we might check the contact field, but that would be overly complex. The problem is due to routers that are unable to route back the trafic inside the LAN when being addressed through their internal interface with an external address. -- _ Damien Sandras (o- //\Ekiga Softphone : http://www.ekiga.org/ v_/_ Be IP : http://www.beip.be/ FOSDEM : http://www.fosdem.org/ SIP Phone : sip:dsand...@ekiga.net ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 00:51 +0100, yannick a écrit : > Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 00:14 +0100, Torsten Crass a écrit : > > both clients are sitting behind the same router > > That might explain your trouble, the test ekiga use to get your internet > IP might confuse the 2 clients as they have the same public IP. The best > I can think of is try to setup bonjour for windows > http://support.apple.com/downloads/Bonjour_for_Windows > > Then clients should automatically appears in the roster. > Damien, if i understand correctly the situation STUN gives both client the same IP. When client A try to signaling with client B, ekiga.net gives the IP of client B to client A; is there a test to check if both IP are the the same to pop up an error message ? Maybe with a link to our wiki? Is it worth to report feature request in bugzilla for this? > Best regards, > Yannick -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:yann...@ekiga.net Logiciel de VoIP Ekiga : http://www.ekiga.org http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
Le mercredi 24 décembre 2008 à 00:14 +0100, Torsten Crass a écrit : > both clients are sitting behind the same router That might explain your trouble, the test ekiga use to get your internet IP might confuse the 2 clients as they have the same public IP. The best I can think of is try to setup bonjour for windows http://support.apple.com/downloads/Bonjour_for_Windows Then clients should automatically appears in the roster. Best regards, Yannick ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
Yannick, Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 23:26 +0100, Torsten Crass a écrit : wow, *that* I call a quick response... :-) From time to time I chat with a friend using vista. I'm using ekiga 3.0.0 and he is using In Debian, it's the 3.0.1 version already. Shouldn't make a big difference, should it? http://snapshots.ekiga.net/snapshots/win32/archives/ekiga-setup-3.0.2beta-7316.exe The Windows version I've installed is called 3.0.2beta-7316d. On both side we are directly connected to internet using an ADSL line. We've got ADSL (WAN IP via DynDNS, DHCP on the LAN side), too, and the router says that we have an uplink speed of 400something kBit/s. In my test setup, however, both clients are sitting behind the same router. I don't know exactly which route the streams will take in a sip-initiated video chat, but even if both clients' streams are routed out of the LAN (to where?) and back again, there should be sufficient bandwidth at, say, a per-client video bitrate of 64 kBit/s max, right? (Anyway, I suppose tomorrow I will try to connect to our home network from some other people's place, perhaps that will work better.) Alas, even between two Linux machines it frequently happens that onyl one client recieve's the other's remote video. (It's a pitty Ekiga isn't too talkative about things having gone wrong... Well, it *does* apparently provide some information about the current connection in its status line, but so far I couldn't find any explanation of what "A:8.0/0.0, V:8.3/0.0" actually stands for...) We usually use speex and theora at 320x200. Ok, sound's familiar. My webcams (two Logitech QuickCam E3500 Plus) offer resolution like 176x144 and 320x240, both of which I tried out. Some time we have to switch the one calling to get the connection but i'm using quite a quite old What exactly do you mean by "switch" -- is it like hanging up and re-connecting? For me, this occasionally did help, but by far not always... 3.0.0 ... Our main issue is some echo with sound, but i still need to verify my sound setup (and ALSA just p... me off!). Yeah, it's a pitty many aspects of multimedia still kinda suck under Linux... Just ordered an old used Soundblaster boards since neither my current (well, actually not so current anymore...) Yamaha sound card, nor any other current wavetable card seem to be supported. We usually chat for hours without trouble. *sigh* Lucky you! Anyway, definitely bed time now. There will be a whole lot of very pleasant, but also somewhat exhausting familiy business to be dealt with tomorrow... Thanks a lot for your reply (further hints still wellcome), best regards and (huh, 00:14 already!) merry Christmas -- Torsten ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
Re: [Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
Le mardi 23 décembre 2008 à 23:26 +0100, Torsten Crass a écrit : > Dear List, > > for about two days I've been trying to get a video chat connection > between a Linux (Debian Sid with Ekiga from Experimental) box and a > laptop running Windows XP (Ekiga 3.0.2beta) to work. *Very* occasionally > I did get bi-directional video, but I wasn't able to determine any hard > criteria when it would work and when it wouldn't. > > Anybody out there having successfully video-chatted between Lin and Win? > And if so, may I ask which settings you've been using? Audio/Video > codecs, webcam resolution, video bitrate, quality/framerate settings, > type of internet connection...? > > Thanks for any hints -- Hi, >From time to time I chat with a friend using vista. I'm using ekiga 3.0.0 and he is using http://snapshots.ekiga.net/snapshots/win32/archives/ekiga-setup-3.0.2beta-7316.exe On both side we are directly connected to internet using an ADSL line. We usually use speex and theora at 320x200. Some time we have to switch the one calling to get the connection but i'm using quite a quite old 3.0.0 ... Our main issue is some echo with sound, but i still need to verify my sound setup (and ALSA just p... me off!). We usually chat for hours without trouble. Regards, Yannick > > Torsten > > ___ > ekiga-list mailing list > ekiga-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list > -- Me joindre en téléphonie IP / vidéoconférence ? sip:yann...@ekiga.net Logiciel de VoIP Ekiga : http://www.ekiga.org http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Which_programs_work_with_Ekiga_%3F ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
[Ekiga-list] Trouble getting cross-plattform video to work
Dear List, for about two days I've been trying to get a video chat connection between a Linux (Debian Sid with Ekiga from Experimental) box and a laptop running Windows XP (Ekiga 3.0.2beta) to work. *Very* occasionally I did get bi-directional video, but I wasn't able to determine any hard criteria when it would work and when it wouldn't. Anybody out there having successfully video-chatted between Lin and Win? And if so, may I ask which settings you've been using? Audio/Video codecs, webcam resolution, video bitrate, quality/framerate settings, type of internet connection...? Thanks for any hints -- Torsten ___ ekiga-list mailing list ekiga-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/ekiga-list
