Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Boaz Leskes]

Hi Demian,

Thx for the suggestion. The tricky part is that it will be search specific,
so we'd need to extend the action menu to be request sensitive. It also
means we'd need to walk all request and decides what makes sense there. I
think it's has merit but will require work to implement.

Cheers,
Boaz

PS - Sense will suggest "explain" as part of the url params suggestions.

PPS - if you want continue discussing this - can you please open another
thread on it , so it will get a proper place?


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Damien Alexandre 
wrote:

> Ok,
>
> so here is what I wanted to suggest: every query could have a "Validate &
> explain" link in the little dropdown:
>
>
> 
>
>
> Just under "Auto indent". And as you can guess, it call "POST
> /yolo/_validate/query?explain" with my query!
> This _validate/?explain endpoint is really a powerful tool to debug
> queries and I think it deserve more visibility.
>
> That's it :)
>
> Thank for you answer,
> Damien
>
> On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 5:54:26 PM UTC+2, Boaz Leskes wrote:
>
>> > About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.
>>
>> Yes, Sense is now part of Marvel, which is closed source.
>>
>> > Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?
>>
>> We currently collect ideas and issues using this group. Would love to
>> hear it if you have a suggestion!
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Boaz
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Damien Alexandre 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.
>>>
>>> Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?
>>> or even better, open the code to accept pull requests?
>>>
>>>
>>> Also,
>>> this is a great example of why one should always set a license when
>>> publishing code :P
>>>
>>> Damien
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:24:19 PM UTC+2, @mromagnoli wrote:

 Yeah, maybe you are right. Anyway i have installed Marvel, and make a
 bookmark in Chrome with the URL to Sense.

 Perhaps I cried in advance ;P

 El miércoles, 30 de abril de 2014 17:19:36 UTC-3, Ivan Brusic escribió:
>
> Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.
> On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli"  wrote:
>
>> Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store!
>>
>> El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
>>>
>>> Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather
>>> surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working
>>> with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get
>>> started.
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Damien Alexandre]

Ok,

so here is what I wanted to suggest: every query could have a "Validate & 
explain" link in the little dropdown:




Just under "Auto indent". And as you can guess, it call "POST 
/yolo/_validate/query?explain" with my query!
This _validate/?explain endpoint is really a powerful tool to debug queries 
and I think it deserve more visibility.

That's it :)

Thank for you answer,
Damien

On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 5:54:26 PM UTC+2, Boaz Leskes wrote:
>
> > About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.
>
> Yes, Sense is now part of Marvel, which is closed source.
>
> > Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?
>
> We currently collect ideas and issues using this group. Would love to hear 
> it if you have a suggestion!
>
>
> Cheers,
> Boaz
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Damien Alexandre  > wrote:
>
>> About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.
>>
>> Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?
>> or even better, open the code to accept pull requests?
>>
>>
>> Also,
>> this is a great example of why one should always set a license when 
>> publishing code :P
>>
>> Damien
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:24:19 PM UTC+2, @mromagnoli wrote:
>>>
>>> Yeah, maybe you are right. Anyway i have installed Marvel, and make a 
>>> bookmark in Chrome with the URL to Sense.
>>>
>>> Perhaps I cried in advance ;P
>>>
>>> El miércoles, 30 de abril de 2014 17:19:36 UTC-3, Ivan Brusic escribió:

 Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.
 On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli"  wrote:

> Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 
>
> El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
>>
>> Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather 
>> surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working 
>> with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get 
>> started.
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Boaz Leskes]

> About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.

Yes, Sense is now part of Marvel, which is closed source.

> Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?

We currently collect ideas and issues using this group. Would love to hear
it if you have a suggestion!


Cheers,
Boaz


On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Damien Alexandre 
wrote:

> About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.
>
> Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?
> or even better, open the code to accept pull requests?
>
>
> Also,
> this is a great example of why one should always set a license when
> publishing code :P
>
> Damien
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:24:19 PM UTC+2, @mromagnoli wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, maybe you are right. Anyway i have installed Marvel, and make a
>> bookmark in Chrome with the URL to Sense.
>>
>> Perhaps I cried in advance ;P
>>
>> El miércoles, 30 de abril de 2014 17:19:36 UTC-3, Ivan Brusic escribió:
>>>
>>> Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.
>>> On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli"  wrote:
>>>
 Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store!

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> surprised to see it gone when getting another developer started working
> with elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Damien Alexandre]

About Sense, it feel like a closed source software now.

Can we have an open bug tracker to suggest idea?
or even better, open the code to accept pull requests?


Also,
this is a great example of why one should always set a license when 
publishing code :P

Damien


On Wednesday, April 30, 2014 10:24:19 PM UTC+2, @mromagnoli wrote:
>
> Yeah, maybe you are right. Anyway i have installed Marvel, and make a 
> bookmark in Chrome with the URL to Sense.
>
> Perhaps I cried in advance ;P
>
> El miércoles, 30 de abril de 2014 17:19:36 UTC-3, Ivan Brusic escribió:
>>
>> Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.
>> On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli"  wrote:
>>
>>> Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 
>>>
>>> El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:

 Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised 
 to see it gone when getting another developer started working with 
 elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[@mromagnoli]

Yeah, maybe you are right. Anyway i have installed Marvel, and make a 
bookmark in Chrome with the URL to Sense.

Perhaps I cried in advance ;P

El miércoles, 30 de abril de 2014 17:19:36 UTC-3, Ivan Brusic escribió:
>
> Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.
> On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli" > 
> wrote:
>
>> Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 
>>
>> El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
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>>> Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised 
>>> to see it gone when getting another developer started working with 
>>> elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Ivan Brusic]

Must is a strong word. I highlighted some alternatives earlier.
On Apr 30, 2014 1:01 PM, "@mromagnoli"  wrote:

> Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store!
>
> El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
>>
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>> to see it gone when getting another developer started working with
>> elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[@mromagnoli]

Agree 100%. Sense must return to Chrome Store! 

El martes, 29 de abril de 2014 11:52:49 UTC-3, Joshua Worden escribió:
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> Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised to 
> see it gone when getting another developer started working with 
> elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Larry Smith]

Likewise, I've been trying these past three days, with starts and stops, to 
get going with Elasticsearch as an evaluation.  All the good samples on the 
web expect you use cURL or Sense.  My local install of cURL cannot resolve 
localhost and doesn't like single quotes and I battled that and gave up. 
 So I sought out this "Sense", and found it was gone from the chrome store. 
 I've been struggling with varying success to use Advanced Rest Client in 
Chrome instead.  I'm not a url or rest services genius.  I was about to 
throw my hands up and walk away, relegating this whole thing as not cooked 
enough to waste time with, and maybe go tinker with MongoDB instead, until 
I found THIS THREAD. 

It just seems that this venture is suffering from rapid growth and reorg 
and the absorption of the various independent efforts and crucial GitHub 
projects.  Nest --> becomes --> Elasticsearch.Net for instance, in some 
obscure blog entry, just a few weeks ago apparently.  

While the various key add on tech is being co-opted by Elasticsearch 
itself, the story from a new potential user and customer perspective is 
fractured.  Sharded, if you will.   

I see the promise here, but it's somewhat obscured with fog right now.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Joshua Worden]

Would love to see this return to the chrome store. Was rather surprised to 
see it gone when getting another developer started working with 
elasticsearch. Even if it was buggy, it was the best way to get started.

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Patrick Proniewski]

On 28 avr. 2014, at 22:05, Lance A. Brown wrote:

> This does not work unless you load the index.html from a machine running an 
> elasticsearch node.

Works for me.


> I just tried downloading the latest zip file on my desktop machine, 
> unzipped the file, loaded _site/sense/index.html and hit an "No 
> 'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource. 
> Origin 'https://host.example.org ' is therefore 
> not allowed access." cross site scripting error.

Looks like a browser-side error to me. It won't work out of the box in Chrome, 
but in my (old) Safari it works great.


> I'm quite disappointed to find that Sense has moved into Marvel. I'd much 
> prefer it as a standalone app or Chrome extension.

I do agree.

> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:22:23 AM UTC-4, kimchy wrote:
>> 
>> Here is how you do it now:
>> 
>> wget 
>> https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.tar.gz
>> tar -xzf marvel-latest.tar.gz
>> open _site/sense/index.html

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Lance A. Brown]

This does not work unless you load the index.html from a machine running an 
elasticsearch node.

I just tried downloading the latest zip file on my desktop machine, 
unzipped the file, loaded _site/sense/index.html and hit an "No 
'Access-Control-Allow-Origin' header is present on the requested resource. 
Origin 'https://host.example.org ' is therefore 
not allowed access." cross site scripting error.

I'm quite disappointed to find that Sense has moved into Marvel. I'd much 
prefer it as a standalone app or Chrome extension.

--[Lance]

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 5:22:23 AM UTC-4, kimchy wrote:
>
> Here is how you do it now:
>
> wget 
> https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.tar.gz
> tar -xzf marvel-latest.tar.gz
> open _site/sense/index.html
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:19, Shay Banon > 
> wrote:
>
> Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app 
> from Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler, 
> in which case, even users that don’t run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more 
> easily enjoy it.
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom 
> > 
> wrote:
>
> +1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.
>
> Regards,
> Mark Walkom
>
> Infrastructure Engineer
> Campaign Monitor
> email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com 
> web: www.campaignmonitor.com
>  
>
> On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin 
> > wrote:
>
>> I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it 
>> easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES 
>> beginners. I only learned of Marvel later. 
>>
>> +1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a 
>> disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained. 
>>
>> --
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Boaz,
>>>
>>> Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, 
>>> at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling 
>>> ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my 
>>> customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.
>>>
>>> I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome 
>>> plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less 
>>> frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.
>>>
>>> You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an 
>>> additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have 
>>> it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.
>>>
>>> You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same 
>>> without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.
>>>
>>> For your consideration,
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Itamar Syn-Hershko
>>> http://code972.com | @synhershko 
>>> Freelance Developer & Consultant
>>> Author of RavenDB in Action 
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tim, Ivan,

 Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did 
 it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a 
 weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be 
 professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo 
 is 
 not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be 
 developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

 As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support 
 all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going 
 forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web 
 Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

 I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue 
 regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it 
 and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted 
 before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in 
 the future.
 Cheers,
 Boaz

 On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>
> I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the 
> license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a 
> fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my 
> thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using 
> straight curl commands.
>
> Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.
>
> -- 
> Ivan
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S 
> > wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work 
>> perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't 

Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Ivan Brusic]

Here are a few tools that support sending REST queries to Elasticsearch

http://mobz.github.io/elasticsearch-head/
https://github.com/lmenezes/elasticsearch-kopf
https://github.com/polyfractal/elasticsearch-inquisitor

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On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 11:27 AM, jrizzi1  wrote:

> Its not about abandoning, it applies more to getting started, which is what
> we just did last month.
>
> There is literally no way I would have been able to get a working
> Elasticsearch solution with advanced mappings and multiple plugins without
> using sense, and did so within a short timeframe, but my development time
> would've been throttled by the additional hurdles of license approval and
> cost if we were faced with them on project kickoff.
>
> I understand monetizing products, but the argument that marvel is "free"
> for
> development use should read "free for development use, and you have to
> dismiss a popup everytime you open that asks you to buy"
>
> I also know I'm probably preaching to the choir, its just a real downer as
> we are in deployment to production as I am writing,  and have to either
> roll
> with no Sense  plugin on that machine, or delay production deployment while
> licensing and sales meeting/costs are sorted out
>
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[jrizzi1]

Its not about abandoning, it applies more to getting started, which is what
we just did last month.

There is literally no way I would have been able to get a working
Elasticsearch solution with advanced mappings and multiple plugins without
using sense, and did so within a short timeframe, but my development time
would’ve been throttled by the additional hurdles of license approval and
cost if we were faced with them on project kickoff. 

I understand monetizing products, but the argument that marvel is “free” for
development use should read “free for development use, and you have to
dismiss a popup everytime you open that asks you to buy”

I also know I’m probably preaching to the choir, its just a real downer as
we are in deployment to production as I am writing,  and have to either roll
with no Sense  plugin on that machine, or delay production deployment while
licensing and sales meeting/costs are sorted out




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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Ivan Brusic]

Just playing the devil's advocate, but Lucidworks, the main commercial
entity behind Solr, also has numerous paid closed-source offerings:
http://www.lucidworks.com/lucidworks-search/

As great as Sense is, it would not be a deal breaker if it was not
available publicly. I used Elasticsearch for years before Sense was ever
released! There are many other options out there and I would not be
surprised if someone open-sourced yet another great tool.

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On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:58 AM, AlexR  wrote:

> Well, this is perhaps a too strong of a statement. AFAIK SOLR does not
> have any comparable front-end and not many would abandon elastic because
> marvel is a commercial product.
>
> I respect Elastic team trying to monetize its product(s) and do it in a
> rather nice way. So I would be perfectly happy paying for Sense. Make Sense
> available for purchase as a separate product (perhaps with two
> licenses development/personal and corporate) for a reasonable price on
> chrome marketplace or elsewhere. I would say many developers would be happy
> to pay the price and if a corporation needs it it can license a bunch as
> well. It could still be free when bundled inside of Marvel on DEV boxes...
>
> Tying it to marvel definitely reduce choices and creates inconveniences
> hiding this very useful product that can excel on its own merits. I doubt
> it will help dramatically in selling marvel (which will hopefully be a
> success due to its own value)
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:43:59 AM UTC-4, jrizzi1 wrote:
>>
>> What this essentially does is limit a developer's options
>>
>> I went to my boss, and laid out the plans for implementing ES, and told
>> them
>> there was no cost, open-source
>>
>> Now i have to go back and explain we need licensing on our production VM
>> if
>> we need to use sense on that VM, we don't need marvel, its an internal
>> app
>> to a department of 100 or less users
>>
>> If i originally had laid out a plan with costs/licensing agreements, it
>> would have had to go to a guidance council for approval of the license,
>> department cost approval, and more than likely would have been ruled out
>> as
>> an option , and gone with SOLR instead
>>
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[AlexR]

Well, this is perhaps a too strong of a statement. AFAIK SOLR does not have 
any comparable front-end and not many would abandon elastic because marvel 
is a commercial product. 

I respect Elastic team trying to monetize its product(s) and do it in a 
rather nice way. So I would be perfectly happy paying for Sense. Make Sense 
available for purchase as a separate product (perhaps with two 
licenses development/personal and corporate) for a reasonable price on 
chrome marketplace or elsewhere. I would say many developers would be happy 
to pay the price and if a corporation needs it it can license a bunch as 
well. It could still be free when bundled inside of Marvel on DEV boxes... 
 
Tying it to marvel definitely reduce choices and creates inconveniences 
hiding this very useful product that can excel on its own merits. I doubt 
it will help dramatically in selling marvel (which will hopefully be a 
success due to its own value) 

 

On Wednesday, April 16, 2014 10:43:59 AM UTC-4, jrizzi1 wrote:
>
> What this essentially does is limit a developer's options 
>
> I went to my boss, and laid out the plans for implementing ES, and told 
> them 
> there was no cost, open-source 
>
> Now i have to go back and explain we need licensing on our production VM 
> if 
> we need to use sense on that VM, we don't need marvel, its an internal app 
> to a department of 100 or less users 
>
> If i originally had laid out a plan with costs/licensing agreements, it 
> would have had to go to a guidance council for approval of the license, 
> department cost approval, and more than likely would have been ruled out 
> as 
> an option , and gone with SOLR instead 
>
>
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[jrizzi1]

What this essentially does is limit a developer's options 

I went to my boss, and laid out the plans for implementing ES, and told them
there was no cost, open-source 

Now i have to go back and explain we need licensing on our production VM if
we need to use sense on that VM, we don't need marvel, its an internal app
to a department of 100 or less users 

If i originally had laid out a plan with costs/licensing agreements, it
would have had to go to a guidance council for approval of the license,
department cost approval, and more than likely would have been ruled out as
an option , and gone with SOLR instead 



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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Andy Brudtkuhl]

+1 on everything. I use Sense daily and really hope it stays independent. 
It's a great tool for testing queries and demoing ES to others with no 
friction.

On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:37:27 AM UTC-5, Tim S wrote:
>
> I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The 
> development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".
>
> Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if 
> the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on 
> github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way 
> into the version of sense included in Marvel?
>
> Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any 
> kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.
>
> Thanks.
>

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Otis Gospodnetic]

Hi,

Couldn't Boaz go in and just add the LICENSE to his old Sense Github repo 
now and solve the license part of the problem?

Otis


On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:14:44 PM UTC-4, kimchy wrote:
>
> Sense started as a weekend project, and Boaz did not place a license on 
> it. As you mentioned, this license effectively applies: 
> http://choosealicense.com/no-license/. We consulted our lawyers, who 
> specialize in open source, and changing the license to open source one is 
> complex, expensive, and requires a lot of resources. The reason is that its 
> not only getting the committers agreement, but also reaching all possible 
> users and have them agree to it (or at least showing big investment in 
> trying to do so, + a rather large time window to allow for people to 
> object).
>
> When Boaz created Sense, he was not employed by Elasticsearch. Obviously 
> any project started by our employees has a clear license (as you can notice 
> with the many projects we created).
>
> Regarding Marvel:
>
> - You are only required to pay for it when used in production.
> - You don’t have to be a support customer of Elasticsearch the company, 
> you can buy a license for Marvel easily on the web. We made it super cheap 
> since we think its something that a lot of people will find benefit from.
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 17:00, Ivan Brusic > 
> wrote:
>
> I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I 
> would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this 
> scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any 
> of its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means 
> its use is also somewhat restricted.
>
> Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite 
> apparent from this thread. :)
>
> I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my 
> memory faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast 
> changing world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do 
> it again.
>
> Cheers,
> Ivan
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tim S >wrote:
>
>> @kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes 
>> a customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support 
>> contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus 
>> wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking 
>> around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc 
>> quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin 
>> either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.
>>
>> So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of 
>> permissive licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke 
>> around.
>> Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify 
>> it if necessary.
>>
>> I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense 
>> on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, 
>> I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an 
>> appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's 
>> still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to 
>> try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this 
>> unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.
>>
>> Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for Sense standalone packaging
>>> +1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store
>>>
>>> Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.
>>>
>>> I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS 
>>> license.
>>>
>>> Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am 
>>> not afraid of the learning curve.
>>>
>>> Jörg
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Boaz Leskes]

Hi Emanuil,

Indeed one of the things Senses does well is help you get started with ES.
I'd argue that for someone new, there is nothing simpler than just
installing a plugin on their dev setup. Actually, with Marvel they will
also gain some other insights into what's going on.

Btw - Marvel is also packed as a zip which anyone can get by pointing a
browser at
https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.zip(which
is documented) , unpack it using whatever and open the html files.


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Emanuil Tolev wrote:

> This worked perfectly (except the "open" bit since my Konsole's file
> handling isn't quite set up).
>
> Worth putting these instructions on the sense repo, Boaz? Obviously with
> note wrt Marvel usage on production clusters, just link to
> http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/marvel/ . The news it's rolled into
> Marvel is already there.
>
> I am introducing somebody to ES, I'd really rather that they didn't simply
> use Postman or similar REST clients just yet. The worst part of my initial
> ES learning curve was exactly that, learning to construct the query and
> mapping objects correctly and learning what goes where when I wanted
> something done quickly. The learning process could have been sped up
> significantly by the Sense autocompletion feature.
>
> +1 on that it's not x-platform, but as it's part of a commercial product
> now it's up to the ES team to decide how much time they can dedicate to
> packaging this tool neatly outside of that product.
>
> Greetings,
> Emanuil
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:22:23 AM UTC+1, kimchy wrote:
>
>> Here is how you do it now:
>>
>> wget https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-
>> latest.tar.gz
>> tar -xzf marvel-latest.tar.gz
>> open _site/sense/index.html
>>
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:19, Shay Banon  wrote:
>>
>> Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app
>> from Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler,
>> in which case, even users that don't run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more
>> easily enjoy it.
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom  wrote:
>>
>> +1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mark Walkom
>>
>> Infrastructure Engineer
>> Campaign Monitor
>> email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
>> web: www.campaignmonitor.com
>>
>>
>> On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin  wrote:
>>
>>>  I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it
>>> easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES
>>> beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.
>>>
>>> +1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a
>>> disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko >> > wrote:
>>>
  Boaz,

 Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch,
 at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling
 ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my
 customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

 I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome
 plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less
 frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

 You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an
 additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have
 it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

 You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same
 without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

 For your consideration,

 --

 Itamar Syn-Hershko
 http://code972.com | @synhershko 
 Freelance Developer & Consultant
 Author of RavenDB in Action 


 On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes  wrote:

> Hi Tim, Ivan,
>
> Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I
> did it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done 
> in
> a weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be
> professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo 
> is
> not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be
> developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.
>
> As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support
> all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going
> forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web
> Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.
>
> I (and many others) am always happy to answer any quest

Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Emanuil Tolev]

This worked perfectly (except the "open" bit since my Konsole's file 
handling isn't quite set up).

Worth putting these instructions on the sense repo, Boaz? Obviously with 
note wrt Marvel usage on production clusters, just link to 
http://www.elasticsearch.org/overview/marvel/ . The news it's rolled into 
Marvel is already there.

I am introducing somebody to ES, I'd really rather that they didn't simply 
use Postman or similar REST clients just yet. The worst part of my initial 
ES learning curve was exactly that, learning to construct the query and 
mapping objects correctly and learning what goes where when I wanted 
something done quickly. The learning process could have been sped up 
significantly by the Sense autocompletion feature.

+1 on that it's not x-platform, but as it's part of a commercial product 
now it's up to the ES team to decide how much time they can dedicate to 
packaging this tool neatly outside of that product.

Greetings,
Emanuil

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 10:22:23 AM UTC+1, kimchy wrote:
>
> Here is how you do it now:
>
> wget 
> https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.tar.gz
> tar -xzf marvel-latest.tar.gz
> open _site/sense/index.html
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:19, Shay Banon > 
> wrote:
>
> Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app 
> from Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler, 
> in which case, even users that don’t run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more 
> easily enjoy it.
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom 
> > 
> wrote:
>
> +1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.
>
> Regards,
> Mark Walkom
>
> Infrastructure Engineer
> Campaign Monitor
> email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com 
> web: www.campaignmonitor.com
>  
>
> On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin 
> > wrote:
>
>> I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it 
>> easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES 
>> beginners. I only learned of Marvel later. 
>>
>> +1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a 
>> disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained. 
>>
>> --
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko 
>> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Boaz,
>>>
>>> Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, 
>>> at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling 
>>> ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my 
>>> customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.
>>>
>>> I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome 
>>> plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less 
>>> frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.
>>>
>>> You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an 
>>> additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have 
>>> it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.
>>>
>>> You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same 
>>> without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.
>>>
>>> For your consideration,
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Itamar Syn-Hershko
>>> http://code972.com | @synhershko 
>>> Freelance Developer & Consultant
>>> Author of RavenDB in Action 
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tim, Ivan,

 Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did 
 it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a 
 weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be 
 professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo 
 is 
 not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be 
 developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

 As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support 
 all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going 
 forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web 
 Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

 I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue 
 regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it 
 and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted 
 before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in 
 the future.
 Cheers,
 Boaz

 On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>
> I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the 
> license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a 
> fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my 
> thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Be

Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[AlexR]

If it is a matter of paying for Sense, I would vote for a paid chrome extension 
at a reasonable price so people who need sense can purchase it independently 
from marvell 

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Boaz Leskes]

People can try and use marvel and thus sense for free in their dev environment. 
If they want to use it with a production cluster they need a license for that 
cluster. It doesn't matter how many developers are using it.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:14 PM, ppearcy  wrote:

> Hi, 
>   Since Marvel requires a license for production usage, does this mean in 
> order to use the Marvel bundled Sense against a production instance 
> requires you to buy a license? 
> I just got out of a meeting where I told a bunch of people to go download 
> sense off the chrome store. Whoops :) 
> Thanks!
> Paul
> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:14:44 PM UTC-4, kimchy wrote:
>>
>> Sense started as a weekend project, and Boaz did not place a license on 
>> it. As you mentioned, this license effectively applies: 
>> http://choosealicense.com/no-license/. We consulted our lawyers, who 
>> specialize in open source, and changing the license to open source one is 
>> complex, expensive, and requires a lot of resources. The reason is that its 
>> not only getting the committers agreement, but also reaching all possible 
>> users and have them agree to it (or at least showing big investment in 
>> trying to do so, + a rather large time window to allow for people to 
>> object).
>>
>> When Boaz created Sense, he was not employed by Elasticsearch. Obviously 
>> any project started by our employees has a clear license (as you can notice 
>> with the many projects we created).
>>
>> Regarding Marvel:
>>
>> - You are only required to pay for it when used in production.
>> - You don’t have to be a support customer of Elasticsearch the company, 
>> you can buy a license for Marvel easily on the web. We made it super cheap 
>> since we think its something that a lot of people will find benefit from.
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2014, at 17:00, Ivan Brusic > 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I 
>> would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this 
>> scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any 
>> of its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means 
>> its use is also somewhat restricted.
>>
>> Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite 
>> apparent from this thread. :)
>>
>> I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my 
>> memory faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast 
>> changing world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do 
>> it again.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tim S >wrote:
>>
>>> @kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes 
>>> a customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support 
>>> contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus 
>>> wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking 
>>> around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc 
>>> quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin 
>>> either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.
>>>
>>> So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of 
>>> permissive licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke 
>>> around.
>>> Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify 
>>> it if necessary.
>>>
>>> I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense 
>>> on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, 
>>> I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an 
>>> appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's 
>>> still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to 
>>> try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this 
>>> unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.
>>>
>>> Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:

 +1 for Sense standalone packaging
 +1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store

 Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.

 I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS 
 license.

 Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am 
 not afraid of the learning curve.

 Jörg



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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[ppearcy]

Hi, 
  Since Marvel requires a license for production usage, does this mean in 
order to use the Marvel bundled Sense against a production instance 
requires you to buy a license? 

I just got out of a meeting where I told a bunch of people to go download 
sense off the chrome store. Whoops :) 

Thanks!
Paul

On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 12:14:44 PM UTC-4, kimchy wrote:
>
> Sense started as a weekend project, and Boaz did not place a license on 
> it. As you mentioned, this license effectively applies: 
> http://choosealicense.com/no-license/. We consulted our lawyers, who 
> specialize in open source, and changing the license to open source one is 
> complex, expensive, and requires a lot of resources. The reason is that its 
> not only getting the committers agreement, but also reaching all possible 
> users and have them agree to it (or at least showing big investment in 
> trying to do so, + a rather large time window to allow for people to 
> object).
>
> When Boaz created Sense, he was not employed by Elasticsearch. Obviously 
> any project started by our employees has a clear license (as you can notice 
> with the many projects we created).
>
> Regarding Marvel:
>
> - You are only required to pay for it when used in production.
> - You don’t have to be a support customer of Elasticsearch the company, 
> you can buy a license for Marvel easily on the web. We made it super cheap 
> since we think its something that a lot of people will find benefit from.
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 17:00, Ivan Brusic > 
> wrote:
>
> I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I 
> would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this 
> scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any 
> of its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means 
> its use is also somewhat restricted.
>
> Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite 
> apparent from this thread. :)
>
> I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my 
> memory faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast 
> changing world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do 
> it again.
>
> Cheers,
> Ivan
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tim S >wrote:
>
>> @kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes 
>> a customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support 
>> contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus 
>> wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking 
>> around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc 
>> quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin 
>> either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.
>>
>> So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of 
>> permissive licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke 
>> around.
>> Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify 
>> it if necessary.
>>
>> I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense 
>> on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, 
>> I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an 
>> appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's 
>> still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to 
>> try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this 
>> unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.
>>
>> Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for Sense standalone packaging
>>> +1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store
>>>
>>> Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.
>>>
>>> I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS 
>>> license.
>>>
>>> Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am 
>>> not afraid of the learning curve.
>>>
>>> Jörg
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Shay Banon]

Sense started as a weekend project, and Boaz did not place a license on it. As 
you mentioned, this license effectively applies: 
http://choosealicense.com/no-license/. We consulted our lawyers, who specialize 
in open source, and changing the license to open source one is complex, 
expensive, and requires a lot of resources. The reason is that its not only 
getting the committers agreement, but also reaching all possible users and have 
them agree to it (or at least showing big investment in trying to do so, + a 
rather large time window to allow for people to object).

When Boaz created Sense, he was not employed by Elasticsearch. Obviously any 
project started by our employees has a clear license (as you can notice with 
the many projects we created).

Regarding Marvel:

- You are only required to pay for it when used in production.
- You don't have to be a support customer of Elasticsearch the company, you can 
buy a license for Marvel easily on the web. We made it super cheap since we 
think its something that a lot of people will find benefit from.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 17:00, Ivan Brusic  wrote:

> I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I 
> would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this 
> scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any of 
> its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means its 
> use is also somewhat restricted.
> 
> Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite apparent 
> from this thread. :)
> 
> I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my memory 
> faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast changing 
> world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do it again.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ivan
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tim S  wrote:
> @kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes a 
> customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support contract, 
> but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus wouldn't 
> allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking around, but 
> sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc quickly. In this 
> situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin either, but sense 
> works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.
> 
> So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of permissive 
> licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke around.
> Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify it 
> if necessary.
> 
> I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense on 
> github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, I 
> understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an 
> appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's 
> still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to try 
> and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this unless 
> it has a licence that allows me to do it.
> 
> Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
> +1 for Sense standalone packaging
> +1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store
> 
> Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.
> 
> I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS 
> license.
> 
> Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am not 
> afraid of the learning curve.
> 
> Jörg
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Ivan Brusic]

I personally do not require an open source license for Marvel/Sense, but I
would like to see an explicit clarification about the use of Marvel in this
scenario. Marvel does require a license to use and that would apply to any
of its subsystems. Then again, Sense does not have a license, which means
its use is also somewhat restricted.

Sense is an excellent tool and users dependency on the tool is quite
apparent from this thread. :)

I haven't packaged a Chrome plugin in about 3 years. Not only has my memory
faded, but I would assume the mechanism has changed in our fast changing
world of development. It would be a fun exercise to attempt to do it again.

Cheers,
Ivan


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Tim S  wrote:

> @kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes a
> customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support
> contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus
> wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking
> around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc
> quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin
> either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.
>
> So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of permissive
> licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke around.
> Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify
> it if necessary.
>
> I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense
> on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel,
> I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an
> appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's
> still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to
> try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this
> unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.
>
> Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
>>
>> +1 for Sense standalone packaging
>> +1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store
>>
>> Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.
>>
>> I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS
>> license.
>>
>> Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am
>> not afraid of the learning curve.
>>
>> Jörg
>>
>>
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Tim S]

@kimchy the whole reason for me asking these questions is that sometimes a 
customer is using elasticsearch but they don't (yet) have a support 
contract, but don't consider themselves "in development" either, and thus 
wouldn't allow me to use Marvel. Yes, there are other tools for poking 
around, but sense is invaluable for constructing complicated queries etc 
quickly. In this situation they wouldn't let me install a chrome plugin 
either, but sense works nicely as an elasticsearch plugin too.

So, if sense (the abandoned version on github) had some kind of permissive 
licence, I could turn up on customer site and use sense to poke around.
Ideally, it would have a licence like AL2 which would allow me to modify it 
if necessary.

I realise that you don't want updates pushed back to the version of sense 
on github because those changes are helping you to make money from Marvel, 
I understand that. But if the abandoned version of sense did have an 
appropriate licence, it would allow us to use the current version - it's 
still useful even if it's not kept up to date. I might even be tempted to 
try and keep it up to date in my spare time. But clearly I can't do this 
unless it has a licence that allows me to do it.

Glad to see I'm not the only person thinking along these lines.


On Tuesday, April 1, 2014 11:15:07 AM UTC+1, Jörg Prante wrote:
>
> +1 for Sense standalone packaging
> +1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store
>
> Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.
>
> I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS 
> license.
>
> Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am 
> not afraid of the learning curve.
>
> Jörg
>
>
>

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[joergpra...@gmail.com]

+1 for Sense standalone packaging
+1 for Sense in Chrome Web Store

Sense is used here all the time, it's essential.

I have also forked the code in case Sense goes away, hoping for a FOSS
license.

Not that I'm fluid in writing browser plugins, but if I find time, I am not
afraid of the learning curve.

Jörg

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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Itamar Syn-Hershko]

The Chrome plugin integration (or other x-platform executable of any kind)
is a quick road to success which you really want to have with Sense.
Requiring a Marvel download kinda beats this purpose.

And doing wget && tar && open isn't x-platform, nor easy.

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On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Shay Banon  wrote:

> Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app
> from Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler,
> in which case, even users that don't run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more
> easily enjoy it.
>
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom  wrote:
>
> +1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.
>
> Regards,
> Mark Walkom
>
> Infrastructure Engineer
> Campaign Monitor
> email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
> web: www.campaignmonitor.com
>
>
> On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin wrote:
>
>> I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it
>> easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES
>> beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.
>>
>> +1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a
>> disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.
>>
>> --
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Boaz,
>>>
>>> Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch,
>>> at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling
>>> ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my
>>> customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.
>>>
>>> I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome
>>> plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less
>>> frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.
>>>
>>> You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an
>>> additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have
>>> it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.
>>>
>>> You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same
>>> without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.
>>>
>>> For your consideration,
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Itamar Syn-Hershko
>>> http://code972.com | @synhershko 
>>> Freelance Developer & Consultant
>>> Author of RavenDB in Action 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tim, Ivan,

 Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did
 it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a
 weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be
 professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is
 not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be
 developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

 As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support
 all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going
 forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web
 Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

 I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue
 regard Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it
 and it will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted
 before, but I wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in
 the future.
 Cheers,
 Boaz

 On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>
> I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the
> license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a
> fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my
> thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using
> straight curl commands.
>
> Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.
>
> --
> Ivan
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work
>> perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't
>> really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if 
>> limited
>> if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the
>> elasticsearch api.
>>
>> Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's
>> one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the
>> auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually 
>> allowed

Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Shay Banon]

Here is how you do it now:

wget 
https://download.elasticsearch.org/elasticsearch/marvel/marvel-latest.tar.gz
tar -xzf marvel-latest.tar.gz
open _site/sense/index.html


On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:19, Shay Banon  wrote:

> Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app from 
> Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler, in which 
> case, even users that don't run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more easily 
> enjoy it.
> 
> On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom  wrote:
> 
>> +1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Mark Walkom
>> 
>> Infrastructure Engineer
>> Campaign Monitor
>> email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
>> web: www.campaignmonitor.com
>> 
>> 
>> On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin  
>> wrote:
>> I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it 
>> easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES beginners. 
>> I only learned of Marvel later. 
>> 
>> +1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a disclaimer 
>> that it's incomplete and no longer maintained. 
>> 
>> --
>> Nick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko  
>> wrote:
>> Boaz,
>> 
>> Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at 
>> least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling 
>> ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my 
>> customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.
>> 
>> I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin 
>> that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's 
>> still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.
>> 
>> You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an 
>> additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it 
>> installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.
>> 
>> You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without 
>> Sense available as a Chrome plugin.
>> 
>> For your consideration,
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Itamar Syn-Hershko
>> http://code972.com | @synhershko
>> Freelance Developer & Consultant
>> Author of RavenDB in Action
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes  wrote:
>> Hi Tim, Ivan,
>> 
>> Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it 
>> in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a 
>> weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be 
>> professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is 
>> not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be 
>> developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.
>> 
>> As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all 
>> of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward 
>> in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so 
>> new users will not have a bad initial experience.
>> 
>> I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard 
>> Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it 
>> will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I 
>> wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.
>> Cheers,
>> Boaz
>> 
>> On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>> I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, 
>> but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. 
>> I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries 
>> beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.
>> 
>> Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.
>> 
>> -- 
>> Ivan
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S  wrote:
>> Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work 
>> perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't 
>> really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited 
>> if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the 
>> elasticsearch api.
>> 
>> Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of 
>> the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the 
>> auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed 
>> to use it i.e. what licence it is.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>> I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in 
>> years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local 
>> installation instructions.
>> 
>> The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright 
>> provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/
>> 
>> -- 
>> 

Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Shay Banon]

Heya, you can easily download Marvel and run Sense as a standalone app from 
Marvel. In the next version of Marvel, we will make it even simpler, in which 
case, even users that don't run Chrome (like myself ;) ) can more easily enjoy 
it.

On Apr 1, 2014, at 11:05, Mark Walkom  wrote:

> +1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark Walkom
> 
> Infrastructure Engineer
> Campaign Monitor
> email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
> web: www.campaignmonitor.com
> 
> 
> On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin  
> wrote:
> I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it easier 
> for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES beginners. I only 
> learned of Marvel later. 
> 
> +1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a disclaimer 
> that it's incomplete and no longer maintained. 
> 
> --
> Nick
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko  
> wrote:
> Boaz,
> 
> Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at 
> least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling 
> ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my 
> customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.
> 
> I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome plugin 
> that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less frequently, it's 
> still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.
> 
> You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an 
> additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have it 
> installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.
> 
> You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same without 
> Sense available as a Chrome plugin.
> 
> For your consideration,
> 
> --
> 
> Itamar Syn-Hershko
> http://code972.com | @synhershko
> Freelance Developer & Consultant
> Author of RavenDB in Action
> 
> 
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes  wrote:
> Hi Tim, Ivan,
> 
> Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it in 
> my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a weekend 
> ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be professionally 
> developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is not maintained 
> anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be developed further. 
> I've updated the readme to make that more clear.
> 
> As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all of 
> 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going forward in 
> Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web Store so new 
> users will not have a bad initial experience.
> 
> I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard 
> Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it will 
> be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I wanted 
> to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.
> Cheers,
> Boaz
> 
> On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
> I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, but 
> issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic tool. I 
> deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and queries 
> beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl commands.
> 
> Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.
> 
> -- 
> Ivan
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S  wrote:
> Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work 
> perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't 
> really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited 
> if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the 
> elasticsearch api.
> 
> Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one of 
> the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the 
> auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed to 
> use it i.e. what licence it is.
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
> I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in 
> years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with build/local 
> installation instructions.
> 
> The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright provisions 
> apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/
> 
> -- 
> Ivan
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S  wrote:
> I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The 
> development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".
> 
> Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if the 
> Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to th

Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Mark Walkom]

+1 from me to this sentiment too, Sense as a standalone app is awesome.

Regards,
Mark Walkom

Infrastructure Engineer
Campaign Monitor
email: ma...@campaignmonitor.com
web: www.campaignmonitor.com


On 1 April 2014 19:59, Nicholas Summerlin wrote:

> I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it
> easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES
> beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.
>
> +1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a
> disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.
>
> --
> Nick
>
>
>
>  On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko 
> wrote:
>
>> Boaz,
>>
>> Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch,
>> at least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling
>> ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my
>> customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.
>>
>> I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome
>> plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less
>> frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.
>>
>> You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an
>> additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have
>> it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.
>>
>> You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same
>> without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.
>>
>> For your consideration,
>>
>> --
>>
>> Itamar Syn-Hershko
>> http://code972.com | @synhershko 
>> Freelance Developer & Consultant
>> Author of RavenDB in Action 
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tim, Ivan,
>>>
>>> Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did
>>> it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a
>>> weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be
>>> professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is
>>> not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be
>>> developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.
>>>
>>> As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support
>>> all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going
>>> forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web
>>> Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.
>>>
>>> I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard
>>> Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it
>>> will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I
>>> wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Boaz
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:

 I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the
 license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a
 fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my
 thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using
 straight curl commands.

 Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

 --
 Ivan


 On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S  wrote:

> Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work
> perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't
> really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if 
> limited
> if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the
> elasticsearch api.
>
> Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's
> one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the
> auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed
> to use it i.e. what licence it is.
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>
>> I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome
>> extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork
>> with build/local installation instructions.
>>
>> The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright
>> provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/
>>
>> --
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S  wrote:
>>
>>> I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying
>>> "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".
>>>
>>> Does this mean that no further development will happen on github?
>>> I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to 
>>> the
>>> sense o

Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Nicholas Summerlin]

I agree with Itamar. I'm a recent Elasticsearch user and Sense made it
easier for me to learn the query syntax. I recommend it to all ES
beginners. I only learned of Marvel later.

+1 for keeping the Chrome plugin on the Web Store, perhaps with a
disclaimer that it's incomplete and no longer maintained.

--
Nick



On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:51 AM, Itamar Syn-Hershko wrote:

> Boaz,
>
> Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at
> least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling
> ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my
> customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.
>
> I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome
> plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less
> frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.
>
> You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an
> additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have
> it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.
>
> You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same
> without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.
>
> For your consideration,
>
> --
>
> Itamar Syn-Hershko
> http://code972.com | @synhershko 
> Freelance Developer & Consultant
> Author of RavenDB in Action 
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes  wrote:
>
>> Hi Tim, Ivan,
>>
>> Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did
>> it in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a
>> weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be
>> professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is
>> not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be
>> developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.
>>
>> As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support
>> all of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going
>> forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web
>> Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.
>>
>> I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard
>> Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it
>> will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I
>> wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.
>> Cheers,
>> Boaz
>>
>> On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>>>
>>> I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the
>>> license, but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a
>>> fantastic tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my
>>> thoughts and queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using
>>> straight curl commands.
>>>
>>> Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ivan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S  wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work
 perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't
 really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited
 if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the
 elasticsearch api.

 Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's
 one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the
 auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed
 to use it i.e. what licence it is.



 On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:

> I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome
> extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork
> with build/local installation instructions.
>
> The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright
> provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/
>
> --
> Ivan
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S  wrote:
>
>> I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying
>> "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".
>>
>> Does this mean that no further development will happen on github?
>> I.e. if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to 
>> the
>> sense on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix 
>> find
>> its way into the version of sense included in Marvel?
>>
>> Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have
>> any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> You received this message because you are

Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Itamar Syn-Hershko]

Boaz,

Sense is a must-have tool for any developer playing with Elasticsearch, at
least in my opinion. I use it daily to quickly sketch and test modeling
ideas, or just to prove a point. This is also the first thing I ask my
customers to install whenever I give on-site consults.

I'd ask you and Elasticsearch to continue releasing Sense as a chrome
plugin that we can install and use. Even if it gets updated less
frequently, it's still an awesome tool and 80% is better than nothing.

You can't rely on having Marvel installed for using Sense - it's an
additional install step, and many remote staging/prod clusters don't have
it installed. Sense is really great as a client-side independent thing.

You can quote me on that: working with Elasticsearch is not the same
without Sense available as a Chrome plugin.

For your consideration,

--

Itamar Syn-Hershko
http://code972.com | @synhershko 
Freelance Developer & Consultant
Author of RavenDB in Action 


On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Boaz Leskes  wrote:

> Hi Tim, Ivan,
>
> Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it
> in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a
> weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be
> professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is
> not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be
> developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.
>
> As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all
> of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going
> forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web
> Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.
>
> I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard
> Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it
> will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I
> wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.
> Cheers,
> Boaz
>
> On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>>
>> I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license,
>> but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic
>> tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and
>> queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl
>> commands.
>>
>> Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.
>>
>> --
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S  wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work
>>> perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't
>>> really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited
>>> if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the
>>> elasticsearch api.
>>>
>>> Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's
>>> one of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the
>>> auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed
>>> to use it i.e. what licence it is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>>>
 I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome
 extension in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork
 with build/local installation instructions.

 The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright
 provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

 --
 Ivan


 On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S  wrote:

> I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying
> "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".
>
> Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e.
> if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the 
> sense
> on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its
> way into the version of sense included in Marvel?
>
> Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have
> any kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Boaz Leskes]

Hi Tim, Ivan,

Sense, the chrome extension, was started a hobby project of mine. I did it 
in my spare time  - I actually started it to prove it can be done in a 
weekend ;). As you know Sense is part of Marvel now where it will be 
professionally developed and get way more time and love. The github repo is 
not maintained anymore and the code as published on GitHub will not be 
developed further. I've updated the readme to make that more clear.

As Tim noted, the Chrome extension has known bugs and does not support all 
of 1.0's features (like Aggregations). Since bug fixes are all going 
forward in Marvel, I've decided to remove the plugin from the Chrome Web 
Store so new users will not have a bad initial experience.

I (and many others) am always happy to answer any questions/issue regard 
Marvel on the mailing list. If you find any issue, please post it and it 
will be picked up. I know you both know this as we interacted before, but I 
wanted to say again for anyone else that might read this in the future.
Cheers,
Boaz

On Friday, March 28, 2014 5:19:38 PM UTC+1, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>
> I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license, 
> but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic 
> tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and 
> queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl 
> commands.
>
> Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.
>
> -- 
> Ivan
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S  wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work 
>> perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't 
>> really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited 
>> if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the 
>> elasticsearch api.
>>
>> Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one 
>> of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the 
>> auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed 
>> to use it i.e. what licence it is.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>>
>>> I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension 
>>> in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with 
>>> build/local installation instructions.
>>>
>>> The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright 
>>> provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Ivan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S  wrote:
>>>
 I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying 
 "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

 Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. 
 if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the 
 sense 
 on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its 
 way into the version of sense included in Marvel?

 Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any 
 kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

 Thanks.
  
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Ivan Brusic]

I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension in
years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with
build/local installation instructions.

The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright
provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/

-- 
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S  wrote:

> I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The
> development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".
>
> Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if
> the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on
> github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way
> into the version of sense included in Marvel?
>
> Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any
> kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.
>
> Thanks.
>
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Tim S]

Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work 
perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't 
really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited 
if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the 
elasticsearch api.

Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one 
of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the 
auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed 
to use it i.e. what licence it is.


On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>
> I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension 
> in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with 
> build/local installation instructions.
>
> The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright 
> provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/
>
> -- 
> Ivan
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S >wrote:
>
>> I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The 
>> development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".
>>
>> Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if 
>> the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on 
>> github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way 
>> into the version of sense included in Marvel?
>>
>> Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any 
>> kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.
>>
>> Thanks.
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Re: Sense on github abandoned?

[Ivan Brusic]

I would have suggested opening an issue on Github to clarify the license,
but issues are disabled on the repo. I agree that Sense is a fantastic
tool. I deploy apps using the Java API, but I formulate my thoughts and
queries beforehand with Sense. Beforehand I was just using straight curl
commands.

Boaz is a regular on the mailing list, he probably will chime in soon.

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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:40 AM, Tim S  wrote:

> Yeah, I cloned it locally in case it disappears and it seems to work
> perfectly well standalone or as an elasticsearch plugin - IMO it doesn't
> really need to be a chrome extension. But I guess its usefulness if limited
> if dev has stopped and the auto-complete isn't kept up-to-date with the
> elasticsearch api.
>
> Also if I recommended my clients used it (which I would, because it's one
> of the better rest front ends for ES I've come across because of the
> auto-complete) then they'd want to know whether they were actually allowed
> to use it i.e. what licence it is.
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 28, 2014 2:50:04 PM UTC, Ivan Brusic wrote:
>
>> I just forked it i case it goes away. I haven't built a Chrome extension
>> in years. Let me re-figure out how to do it and update my fork with
>> build/local installation instructions.
>>
>> The lack of a license might be problematic since default copyright
>> provisions apply: http://choosealicense.com/no-license/
>>
>> --
>> Ivan
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Tim S  wrote:
>>
>>> I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying
>>> "The development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".
>>>
>>> Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e.
>>> if the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense
>>> on github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its
>>> way into the version of sense included in Marvel?
>>>
>>> Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any
>>> kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
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Sense on github abandoned?

[Tim S]

I notice that https://github.com/bleskes/sense has a message saying "The 
development of Sense has moved into Elasticsearch Marvel".

Does this mean that no further development will happen on github? I.e. if 
the Marvel team find bugs in sense will the fixes be pushed to the sense on 
github, and if I create a pull request on github will my fix find its way 
into the version of sense included in Marvel?

Regardless of the answer to the above, does the code on github have any 
kind of licence? Even without Marvel, sense is still a useful tool.

Thanks.

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