[Elecraft] SW Tone; no beep

2011-10-23 Thread Rick Bates
Hello all,

 

Today I installed the sub-receiver (and second DSP board) and replaced the
faulty power pole connector on the RF board (thank you Dale, for the part).
It's all working great, except:  I am not getting confirmation or warning
tones anymore.  It doesn't matter if SW Tone is on or off, I get no
beeps.  So far that's the only problem I've had with the K3, P3 and KPA500
combo.

 

I reloaded ALL the firmware, powered down several times; it's still not
beeping now.  Any help?

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Rick WA6NHC #5882

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[Elecraft] RTTY Diddle suppression

2011-10-23 Thread Dan Sherwood
Anyone,

In the K3 utility, how do you insert the control character IM using the
computer keyboard when editing a RTTY memory?

I'm trying to cut short the long idle tail so the DX stations don't double
with me when answering my responses.  I tried entering IM and cntl-T.
Neither works.  Only sending IM on the paddles in real time seems to work.

Thanks,

Dan
WA6PZK



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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Diddle Suppression

2011-10-23 Thread Bill McDowell
Use the vertical line character ie. | on the keyboard at end of the message.  
This will be read as IM and stop the diddle.

Bill
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Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Diddle Suppression

2011-10-23 Thread Ray Sills
That would be the shifted (upper case) backslash key, usually just  
above the return key on most keyboards.

73 de Ray
K2ULR

On Oct 23, 2011, at 4:26 AM, Bill McDowell wrote:

 Use the vertical line character ie. | on the keyboard at end of the  
 message.  This will be read as IM and stop the diddle.

 Bill
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Re: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 with a MFJ-994B AUTO TUNER

2011-10-23 Thread Phil Debbie Salas
I currently have a K3/KPA500/MFJ998 set-up.  I used a MFJ-994B with an 
ALS-600 for several years.  A couple of years ago I upgraded to a MFJ-998 as 
it has a built-in amp-disable feature when tuning.  I do like these 
autotuners and I have reviews of both in the Product Review section of my 
website at www.ad5x.com.  To me, the disadvantage of the MFJ tuners is that 
they do not work on 6-meters and the bypassed SWR of the tuners is high on 
6-meters.  Therfore you must completely physically bypass the MFJ tuners 
when operating on 6-meters (I do this with antenna switches).

Phil - AD5X 

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Re: [Elecraft] Very OT:Rugby World Cup 2011 Final

2011-10-23 Thread Kevin Luxford
Great game.  Very tense.  Only one point in it.  At one stage I shouted 
at the TV. Remember the Rainbow Warrior.
Big celebrations in NZ having just won the World Cup by defeating France.

Yes, Eden Park is in Auckland.  The World Cup series was to have been 
played in Christchurch, which unhappily is still closed down after the 
devastating earthquakes in September of last year and February of this 
year.  About 4000 families have now moved away from Christchurch - 
school populations are down and the effect will probably mean about 300 
teachers being redundant.

Still the World Cup win will be a shot in the arm for the whole country.

73
Kevin
VK3DAP / ZL2DAP

On 23/10/2011 4:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 I've been to NZ and wish I could be there now. Best of luck to both
 teams.

 BTW: it's not totally off-topic. Isn't Eden Park (in Auckland, where
 the game is to be played) presently experiencing a total power outage?
 Won't those packed pubs need amateur radio to relay beer orders?

 Wayne
 N6KR



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[Elecraft] Windows XP

2011-10-23 Thread David Robertson
Everyone.
Someone remarked Windows XP operating system was dead. I have to disagree. 
Though Windows XP is old it is still one of the most successful operating 
system that Microsoft came out with and is still supported with up-dates. I run 
both windows 7-64 and XP and both operating systems perform well. 

73
Dave KD1NA
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Re: [Elecraft] Very OT:Rugby World Cup 2011 Final

2011-10-23 Thread Monty Shultes
For American readers:  redundant means you're out of a job, axed, fired, 
history, etc.
Monty K2DLJ


 ….. about 300 teachers being redundant.
 
 Still the World Cup win will be a shot in the arm for the whole country.
 
 73
 Kevin
 VK3DAP / ZL2DAP

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Re: [Elecraft] Update on my progress - Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-23 Thread goldtr8
First, let me say thank you to everyone on the list who has replied via 
the list or directly.   The help has been fantastic and has increased my 
general knowledge as well as helping me with the problem.

Althought I have pointed to the start of the problem with the 
installation of the Loop and the install of the propane tank and 
possible crushed coax, I now believe that I have always had some RF 
issues but it was brought to my attention by the Loop being real bad and 
then I was highly sensitive to the whole system.

First I had made a significant error in the basic grounding of my shack. 
This error I will call the green wire mistake.  What I had done was add 
the chassis ground of all my 12v devices  and tuner to the green wire 
ground of the house electrical system.  This is in fact a signficant 
error and has been corrected.  What I have learned that there is a 
difference for a saftey ground for lightening protection and so on and 
it has nothing to do with an RF ground.  So green wire error fixed, long 
term a total revamp of the system for a safety ground.

Second I did a lot of checking of the coax yesterday.  Checked it with 
nothing attached, checked it with a dummy load, used functions of my MFJ 
259b that I did not even know existed.  Basically the coax checks out 
fine, but I still have RF.   The coax at this point in time is no longer 
buried, I completely unearthed it.

At this point in time I put a choke at the antenna feed up in the air 
with 31 mix ferrites and no improvement.  So if the problem is at the 
antenna feed this should have fixed it.  I remove my lightening arrestor 
from the system just to check it out no change.  So I pull the choke 
down.

Next I put a choke right at the antenna out the same choke that I had 
put on the antenna feed point.  Wow big improvement plus I added more 
snap on 31 ferrites directly on the coax.   So I have a choke in the 
shack and now I can go full power.   So having the choke at the feed 
into the antenna tuner has a dramatic effect.

Now I am thinking ok I will burry the coax again, easy to do in the soft 
grass plus I want to see if the problem turns on again as I have changed 
the system with the coax laying on the ground and the outside is dry not 
directly coupled to the set ground.  After the burry RF is bad real bad. 
So coax is now on laying on the ground again unearthed and the system 
again functions, points again to bad coax.

I am now convenced that this is it so I turn on the shack PC to get some 
more information and so on.  Plus I am talking to some other hams on 
what I have found.  As the PC boots up the RF is back and it is strong. 
Holy Sxxt Batman, now what.   So I ponder this for a moment, since I 
removed my geen wire error the PC is no longer connected to the K3 than 
thru the rs232 so I am assuming Pin1 problem.  I make a ground wire from 
the chassis of the PC to the center of the grounding point (grounding 
star as it is referred to) and fixed.  So I take a critical look at the 
PC installation and the coax runs right next to the PC.  So I disconnect 
everything and move the PC to the other side of the desk to get it as 
far away from the coax as I can plus this eleminates short jumper cables 
for the mouse and so on.  So other than a brief instant when the PC 
boots up and it is a very specfic part of the boot cycle there is no RF.

So in a nutshell

1) fixed green wire problem
2) unearthed coax and it is laying on the ground on the top of the grass
3) build choke with 31 mix at antenna out on the tuner
4) moved PC

I am on the air.

To do when the order shows up from UPS.

Install new coax, I assume the one I have is not happy anymore and test 
the system to see if I can remove the choke at the tuner.

 From my perspective I am on the air, but I do not have a robust 
installation being on the 2nd floor.  I probally can survive this winter 
this way with the simple antenna shield grounding outside as I did last 
winter as there is no lightning normally.  However, I have to determine 
the best way to redo the installation and am considering moving the 
shack to the basement where then it will be signficantly eaiser to have 
the shack properly grounded for safety and then bonded.

Again thanks for the help, as I am on the air but not convinced that I 
have it fully cured.  So there may be more questions in the future when 
I find stuff starts to not work again.

~73
Don
KD8NNU


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Re: [Elecraft] Windows XP

2011-10-23 Thread Kevin's Mail
It has been a decent version of windows but it's lifetime is limited. In 2014  
MS will no longer provide security updates. Doesn't matter how good your A/V 
and firewall are, most security updates from MS fix vulnerablities in the OS of 
some sort. Without those patches your XP machine(s) will become more and more 
vulnerable. You should disconnect it from the net.

If MS sticks to pattern the next version of windows, after 7, will be a dog.

98/98SE, pretty good (other than the FAT32 filesystem).
Windows ME, a virus.
2000/XP, best windows yet (XP is just a prettied up version of 2K). 
Vista, especially the 32 bit versions, pathetic.
Win 7, what Vista could have been and will push XP as best version yet.
Win 8.or whatever they're calling it...who knows.


On Sun, 23 Oct 2011 08:22:53 -0400
David Robertson dar...@comcast.net wrote:

 Everyone.
 Someone remarked Windows XP operating system was dead. I have to disagree. 
 Though Windows XP is old it is still one of the most successful operating 
 system that Microsoft came out with and is still supported with up-dates. I 
 run both windows 7-64 and XP and both operating systems perform well. 
 
 73
 Dave KD1NA


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[Elecraft] XV-144 appears to have gone deaf

2011-10-23 Thread eric norris
Dear Gang:
 
After a normal night of EME last night, tonight while warming everything up I 
noticed a sudden drop of rx signal of about 10db on the WSJT waterfall.  I got 
the WSJT level set correctly again by increasing LIN OUT to the computer.  
Here's where it gets wierd:
 
1)  I can still receive the very loud signals of locals.  
 
2)  When I hook up the XG3 to the antenna connector, I get an S8 signal 
indication on the K3 at -33dbm, an S1 signal at -73 dbm, and nothing at 
-107dbm.  
 
3) Disconnecting the antenna completely has no effect on the noise level 
displayed on WSJT or the P3, but the loud local signals drop out.  Not normal.
 
4) Turning the external preamp on and off has no effect on noise level either. 
Preamp confirmed good.  Bypassing it physically has no effect.  Not normal.
 
5) TX works normally.  SWR is normal.  
 
All measurements made in CW mode with AGC OFF.  Could I have had a partial 
failure of the XV-144 in rx mode without a total failure?  Or am I missing 
something due to sleep deprivation?
 
Thanks for any help.
 
73 Eric WD6DBM  
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Re: [Elecraft] Update on my progress - Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-23 Thread Ken Alexander
Thanks Don, and all who contributed to help him.

Yours has been an interesting story and it was educational to watch it 
unfold here.  I bet the CQ or QST would eat up a story like that if it 
was well documented and turned out as well as yours.

Regards,

Ken Alexander
VE3HLS

On 23/10/2011 9:13 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote:
 First, let me say thank you to everyone on the list who has replied via
 the list or directly.   The help has been fantastic and has increased my
 general knowledge as well as helping me with the problem.

 Althought I have pointed to the start of the problem with the
 installation of the Loop and the install of the propane tank and
 possible crushed coax, I now believe that I have always had some RF
 issues but it was brought to my attention by the Loop being real bad and
 then I was highly sensitive to the whole system.

 First I had made a significant error in the basic grounding of my shack.
 This error I will call the green wire mistake.  What I had done was add
 the chassis ground of all my 12v devices  and tuner to the green wire
 ground of the house electrical system.  This is in fact a signficant
 error and has been corrected.  What I have learned that there is a
 difference for a saftey ground for lightening protection and so on and
 it has nothing to do with an RF ground.  So green wire error fixed, long
 term a total revamp of the system for a safety ground.

 Second I did a lot of checking of the coax yesterday.  Checked it with
 nothing attached, checked it with a dummy load, used functions of my MFJ
 259b that I did not even know existed.  Basically the coax checks out
 fine, but I still have RF.   The coax at this point in time is no longer
 buried, I completely unearthed it.

 At this point in time I put a choke at the antenna feed up in the air
 with 31 mix ferrites and no improvement.  So if the problem is at the
 antenna feed this should have fixed it.  I remove my lightening arrestor
 from the system just to check it out no change.  So I pull the choke
 down.

 Next I put a choke right at the antenna out the same choke that I had
 put on the antenna feed point.  Wow big improvement plus I added more
 snap on 31 ferrites directly on the coax.   So I have a choke in the
 shack and now I can go full power.   So having the choke at the feed
 into the antenna tuner has a dramatic effect.

 Now I am thinking ok I will burry the coax again, easy to do in the soft
 grass plus I want to see if the problem turns on again as I have changed
 the system with the coax laying on the ground and the outside is dry not
 directly coupled to the set ground.  After the burry RF is bad real bad.
 So coax is now on laying on the ground again unearthed and the system
 again functions, points again to bad coax.

 I am now convenced that this is it so I turn on the shack PC to get some
 more information and so on.  Plus I am talking to some other hams on
 what I have found.  As the PC boots up the RF is back and it is strong.
 Holy Sxxt Batman, now what.   So I ponder this for a moment, since I
 removed my geen wire error the PC is no longer connected to the K3 than
 thru the rs232 so I am assuming Pin1 problem.  I make a ground wire from
 the chassis of the PC to the center of the grounding point (grounding
 star as it is referred to) and fixed.  So I take a critical look at the
 PC installation and the coax runs right next to the PC.  So I disconnect
 everything and move the PC to the other side of the desk to get it as
 far away from the coax as I can plus this eleminates short jumper cables
 for the mouse and so on.  So other than a brief instant when the PC
 boots up and it is a very specfic part of the boot cycle there is no RF.

 So in a nutshell

 1) fixed green wire problem
 2) unearthed coax and it is laying on the ground on the top of the grass
 3) build choke with 31 mix at antenna out on the tuner
 4) moved PC

 I am on the air.

 To do when the order shows up from UPS.

 Install new coax, I assume the one I have is not happy anymore and test
 the system to see if I can remove the choke at the tuner.

   From my perspective I am on the air, but I do not have a robust
 installation being on the 2nd floor.  I probally can survive this winter
 this way with the simple antenna shield grounding outside as I did last
 winter as there is no lightning normally.  However, I have to determine
 the best way to redo the installation and am considering moving the
 shack to the basement where then it will be signficantly eaiser to have
 the shack properly grounded for safety and then bonded.

 Again thanks for the help, as I am on the air but not convinced that I
 have it fully cured.  So there may be more questions in the future when
 I find stuff starts to not work again.

 ~73
 Don
 KD8NNU


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Re: [Elecraft] Update on my progress - Now General RF Issue

2011-10-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Don,

Your green wire mistake was not a mistake at all.  Everything in the 
shack should have its chassis bonded together - by a connection to a 
single point ground - that includes computers, power supplies, and 
yes, the chassis of your 12 volt equipment too.  That single point 
ground should be bonded to the green wire ground too.

If you have a heavy wire to an earth driven ground rod from that single 
point ground, all the better, BUT that driven ground rod must be also 
connected to the Utility Entrance Ground - preferably by a wire outside 
the house.  See the Safety chapter in a 2010 or newer ARRL Handbook for 
more information.

You should not rely entirely on the internal green wire at your shack 
receptacles - it wanders about in your house wiring, and the only 
requirement for AC safety is that it be all connected together - and it 
sometimes fails.  An annual check with one of the inexpensive testers is 
a good thing.

You are quite correct that the above grounding schemes are for safety 
ground and for protection from surges from nearby lightning.  To survive 
a direct strike, something much more extensive is required.
Those grounds are in no way an RF ground point and are not intended to 
be.  Other means will be required to establish an RF ground (actually a 
low impedance point for RF).

One way to establish that low impedance point for RF in a 2nd floor 
environment with 1/4 wave wires for all bands that you intend to 
operate, and it may be the only practical way if you cannot keep common 
mode RF off your antenna feedlines.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/23/2011 9:13 AM, gold...@charter.net wrote:
 First I had made a significant error in the basic grounding of my shack.
 This error I will call the green wire mistake.  What I had done was add
 the chassis ground of all my 12v devices  and tuner to the green wire
 ground of the house electrical system.  This is in fact a signficant
 error and has been corrected.  What I have learned that there is a
 difference for a saftey ground for lightening protection and so on and
 it has nothing to do with an RF ground.  So green wire error fixed, long
 term a total revamp of the system for a safety ground.


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Re: [Elecraft] Update on my progress - Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-23 Thread Ian White GM3SEK
Don wrote:

...]

1) fixed green wire problem
2) unearthed coax and it is laying on the ground on the top of the 
grass
3) build choke with 31 mix at antenna out on the tuner
4) moved PC

I am on the air.

To do when the order shows up from UPS.

Install new coax, I assume the one I have is not happy anymore and test 
the system to see if I can remove the choke at the tuner.

 From my perspective I am on the air, but I do not have a robust 
installation being on the 2nd floor.  I probally can survive this 
winter this way with the simple antenna shield grounding outside as I 
did last winter as there is no lightning normally.  However, I have to 
determine the best way to redo the installation and am considering 
moving the shack to the basement where then it will be signficantly 
eaiser to have the shack properly grounded for safety and then bonded.

Again thanks for the help, as I am on the air but not convinced that I 
have it fully cured.  So there may be more questions in the future when 
I find stuff starts to not work again.

Well done - you made some real progress.

While you're waiting for the brown van, how about building a simple 
clamp-on RF current meter? It is the most useful tool for this kind of 
RFI investigation, because it lets you *see* where the stray currents 
are. Once you've tried one, you'll wonder how you ever managed without 
it.

The simplest 'Mousetrap' version only takes a half-hour to build:
http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek/clamp-on/clamp-on.htm

In a review of commercial meters for 'Radcom' (RSGB), the MFJ-854 
performed well but I found the MFJ-805 very poor:
www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek/clamp-on/mfj-reviews.pdf



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http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek
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Re: [Elecraft] Update on my progress - Now General RF Issue WAS 160m loop experiment a big failure

2011-10-23 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
I have been watching this thread out of the corner of my eye, but not
reading it real close.  This post caught my attention.

I'm thinking you may actually have a break in the shield at a
connector point on the coax.  That would cause heavy RF on the coax
shield coming back at the shack, and would STILL accept power from
your transmitter. Putting the coax on the ground may relieve stress on
the joint and allow the shield to make contact again.

Sometimes folks forget to solder the shield to PL259 as just one way
this can happen, or the shield internally isn't trimmed right for the
connector, etc, etc, ad naseum.

Another way that kind of break can happen is a lightning strike that
evaporated the connection at the connector, or at a strike point.

But to my mind, anyway, the coax shield and/or connections are
completely suspect for shield continuity.  What you have described are
what would cause me to completely replace the coax and connectors.

We spend so much money on rigs and amps and then go cheep cheap on
feedline and connectors.  Consider small hardline and connectors made
for that hardline, and some kinds of troubles will just go away.

73, Guy.

On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:13 AM,  gold...@charter.net wrote:
 First, let me say thank you to everyone on the list who has replied via
 the list or directly.   The help has been fantastic and has increased my
 general knowledge as well as helping me with the problem.

 Althought I have pointed to the start of the problem with the
 installation of the Loop and the install of the propane tank and
 possible crushed coax, I now believe that I have always had some RF
 issues but it was brought to my attention by the Loop being real bad and
 then I was highly sensitive to the whole system.

 First I had made a significant error in the basic grounding of my shack.
 This error I will call the green wire mistake.  What I had done was add
 the chassis ground of all my 12v devices  and tuner to the green wire
 ground of the house electrical system.  This is in fact a signficant
 error and has been corrected.  What I have learned that there is a
 difference for a saftey ground for lightening protection and so on and
 it has nothing to do with an RF ground.  So green wire error fixed, long
 term a total revamp of the system for a safety ground.

 Second I did a lot of checking of the coax yesterday.  Checked it with
 nothing attached, checked it with a dummy load, used functions of my MFJ
 259b that I did not even know existed.  Basically the coax checks out
 fine, but I still have RF.   The coax at this point in time is no longer
 buried, I completely unearthed it.

 At this point in time I put a choke at the antenna feed up in the air
 with 31 mix ferrites and no improvement.  So if the problem is at the
 antenna feed this should have fixed it.  I remove my lightening arrestor
 from the system just to check it out no change.  So I pull the choke
 down.

 Next I put a choke right at the antenna out the same choke that I had
 put on the antenna feed point.  Wow big improvement plus I added more
 snap on 31 ferrites directly on the coax.   So I have a choke in the
 shack and now I can go full power.   So having the choke at the feed
 into the antenna tuner has a dramatic effect.

 Now I am thinking ok I will burry the coax again, easy to do in the soft
 grass plus I want to see if the problem turns on again as I have changed
 the system with the coax laying on the ground and the outside is dry not
 directly coupled to the set ground.  After the burry RF is bad real bad.
 So coax is now on laying on the ground again unearthed and the system
 again functions, points again to bad coax.

 I am now convenced that this is it so I turn on the shack PC to get some
 more information and so on.  Plus I am talking to some other hams on
 what I have found.  As the PC boots up the RF is back and it is strong.
 Holy Sxxt Batman, now what.   So I ponder this for a moment, since I
 removed my geen wire error the PC is no longer connected to the K3 than
 thru the rs232 so I am assuming Pin1 problem.  I make a ground wire from
 the chassis of the PC to the center of the grounding point (grounding
 star as it is referred to) and fixed.  So I take a critical look at the
 PC installation and the coax runs right next to the PC.  So I disconnect
 everything and move the PC to the other side of the desk to get it as
 far away from the coax as I can plus this eleminates short jumper cables
 for the mouse and so on.  So other than a brief instant when the PC
 boots up and it is a very specfic part of the boot cycle there is no RF.

 So in a nutshell

 1) fixed green wire problem
 2) unearthed coax and it is laying on the ground on the top of the grass
 3) build choke with 31 mix at antenna out on the tuner
 4) moved PC

 I am on the air.

 To do when the order shows up from UPS.

 Install new coax, I assume the one I have is not happy anymore and test
 the system to see if I can remove the choke 

Re: [Elecraft] RTTY Diddle suppression

2011-10-23 Thread Dan Sherwood
John,

I'll try that.  I could not find that in the manual or help utility on the
K3 utility.  My eyesight not as good as it used to be.

Thanks,

WA6PZK


On 10/23/11 1:36 AM, John Chappell G3XRJ j...@g3xrj.com wrote:

 At the end of you message just insert a | - vertical bar
   ( shift+\ on UK keyboard )
 
 John G3XRJ
 
 Anyone,
 
 In the K3 utility, how do you insert the control character IM using the
 computer keyboard when editing a RTTY memory?
 
 I'm trying to cut short the long idle tail so the DX stations don't double
 with me when answering my responses.  I tried entering IM and cntl-T.
 Neither works.  Only sending IM on the paddles in real time seems to work.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dan
 WA6PZK
 
 
 
 
 


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Re: [Elecraft] Update on my progress - Now General RF Issue

2011-10-23 Thread Tony Estep
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote:

 ...One way to establish that low impedance point for RF in a 2nd floor
 environment with 1/4 wave wires for all bands that you intend to
 operate, and it may be the only practical way if you cannot keep common
 mode RF off your antenna feedlines...

 ===
This is spot on. If you can get a good counterpoise scheme worked out,
there's no need to move the shack downstairs. Your symptoms indicate that
the trouble is stemming from common mode currents on the outside of your
coax. Once these are cured, there may be no need to hang ferrites on the
connecting wires in the shack. It sounds as if you're on the right track,
but you can do more to choke off the common mode currents and divert them so
they won't travel on the coax.

73, Tony KT0NY

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Re: [Elecraft] K3/KPA500 with a MFJ-994B AUTO TUNER

2011-10-23 Thread KEN SIROIS
de KF1C 

Running K3 w/ ALS-600 Mfj-994B in a plastic box at base of 43ft vertical / and 
99 ft inverted L. 

Fed against 2 above ground radials 135 ft long and 2 65 ft long. (also 5 or 
6 60 
ft  buried)  
Inside the shack 100 ft of coax make not much differance on these readings, I 
spent allot of time back and forth. 

I have line isolators in line (both coax and ferrite ) so I know its not rf on 
the shield causing the trips. 

994B loses lock and trips the amp above the following readings. 
The 994B does not have a wide matching range like the 998 if you read the 
specs. 

I am waiting for the KAT-500 to come out. 

43 ft vertical 
994B handles 500 watts 10m 12m 15m 17m 20m 
994B handles 200 watts 30m and 40m 
994B handles50 watts on 80m

Inverted L 99 ft 

994B handles 500 watts 10m 12m 15m 17m 20m 40m 
994B handles 75 watts 80m and 160m   

Both Inverted L and 43ft vertical connected. 

994B handles 500 watts 10m 12m 15m 17m 20m 40m 
994B handles 200 watts 80m and 160m   

I'm going to extend the L to quarter wave on 160m soon, that should (hopefully) 
allow full power on 80m 
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs FT817 - how do the inside dimensions compare?

2011-10-23 Thread Jim Lowman
After almost 50 years of being a ham, I see that the conventional wisdom
of NOT including general coverage in a receiver has been refuted.  It was
thought to be at the expense of performance on the ham bands.

How have modern design techniques overcome this limitation?

73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 10/22/2011 10:11 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 Hi TR,

 The KX1 is our smallest radio, with TFR (trail-friendly) format and an
 attached paddle, like the KX3. It also uses a DDS VFO and SSB/AM
 receive, providing SWL coverage in addition to the ham bands.

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs FT817 - how do the inside dimensions compare?

2011-10-23 Thread Wayne Burdick
Hi Jim,

The K3 comes with very narrow ham-band filters, standard. These  
provide the excellent SWL rejection that you're referring to, which is  
especially important in a down-conversion superhet design. To obtain  
full SWL coverage, the K3 user can install the KBPF3 option, which  
adds wider filters that cover the entire range of 0.5-30 MHz. This has  
no impact on ham-band performance, as the wider filters are only  
switched in when you tune well outside the ham bands.

The KX3 has a different receiver architecture, similar to direct  
conversion but with quadrature channels (I/Q) to allow for single- 
signal reception. This architecture doesn't involve a large I.F., so  
there are fewer images to deal with in both RX and TX mode. This  
lightens the requirements for band-pass filtering. As a result, the  
KX3's band-pass filters can include ham and nearby SWL bands without  
any need for tuning.

The K1, KX1, and K2 have tuned ham-band filters that provide coverage  
of most nearby SWL bands.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


On Oct 23, 2011, at 9:58 AM, Jim Lowman wrote:

 After almost 50 years of being a ham, I see that the conventional  
 wisdom
 of NOT including general coverage in a receiver has been refuted.   
 It was
 thought to be at the expense of performance on the ham bands.

 How have modern design techniques overcome this limitation?

 73 de Jim - AD6CW

 On 10/22/2011 10:11 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
 Hi TR,

 The KX1 is our smallest radio, with TFR (trail-friendly) format and  
 an
 attached paddle, like the KX3. It also uses a DDS VFO and SSB/AM
 receive, providing SWL coverage in addition to the ham bands.

 73,
 Wayne
 N6KR



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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs FT817 - how do the inside dimensions compare?

2011-10-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
I had the impression that the rise of the Ham-band-only transceiver in the
1950's and 60's was based on simple economics. It was cheaper to drop
general coverage receive. It was also true that they were typically better
performing than most general coverage receivers, mostly due to improved
input filtering that protected the mixer from large off-frequency signals. 

As you may recall, most general coverage receivers up to that time used
simple L/C tunable input filters that required multiple knob-twiddling or a
big ganged multi-section tuning cap with the stages carefully adjusted so
they tracked the across the tuning range. 

A well-designed fixed tuned input filter was better, especially important
consdering the relatively easy-to-overload mixers in common use back then.
That gave the ad writers a good explanation for the limited tuning ranges. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
After almost 50 years of being a ham, I see that the conventional wisdom
of NOT including general coverage in a receiver has been refuted.  It was
thought to be at the expense of performance on the ham bands.

How have modern design techniques overcome this limitation?

73 de Jim - AD6CW


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs FT817 - how do the insidedimensions compare?

2011-10-23 Thread Paul Christensen
 I had the impression that the rise of the Ham-band-only transceiver in 
 the
 1950's and 60's was based on simple economics.  It was cheaper to drop
 general coverage receive...

Just the opposite, I think.  Some of the poorest performing -- and least 
expensive receivers provided general coverage.  The most expensive receivers 
of their respective eras were the Collins 75A, Collins 75S, Drake R-4, and 
National HRO, all of which were at the top-end of the purchasing ladder in 
their day.

I have several Hallicrafters receivers between the SX-9 and SX-100 and 
others in between.  The cheap and dirty way of providing GC was to find the 
calibrating Main tuning cap points, activate the xtal calibrate marker, then 
tune the bandspread cap to the nearest dial marker.  The problem is that 
mechanical variations in the GC main tuning greatly affect bandspread 
tuning.  For example, on my SX-100, the entire tuning mechanism functions on 
the use of a highly tensioned steel piano string.  The slightest vibration 
on the table transfers from the chassis, into the gears, the dial string, 
and ultimately, the tuning caps.  Because of tuning instability, the SX-100 
is one of the worst receivers I've owned and unfortunately, it was my first 
receiver as a novice in '72.

OTOH, Collins and Drake receivers from the '50s and '60 suffer no such 
problems.  The PTOs are temperature compensated and highly linear from 
end-to-end.  It is possible to use a PTO and a crystal heterodyne scheme at 
the first LO, but was very expensive.  The Drake SPR-4 was such a GC SWBC 
receiver that had a PTO and up to 23 pre-mixer crystals  - and it still 
didn't offer contiguous coverage to 30 MHz.

Going back even further in time, look at the National SW-3, FB-7, and HRO 
frequency-determining topology.   The SW-3 regen and HRO could certainly 
accommodate GC, but the real performance attained in the 1930s was realized 
when the bandspread clips were engaged, severely limiting tuning range to 
only the ham bands.  For a non-PTO tuning method, National's HRO gearbox, 
coil boxes with taps, and elliptical tuning dial were a flash of genius.

So, I see the early ham bands only receivers as the more superior, and 
expensive product.  Apart from the mentioned Hallicrafters SX receivers, I 
don't collect and restore any other type of GC receiver.  And, how anyone 
can elevate the SX-88 to Delivered from God status is well beyond my 
comprehension!

Paul, W9AC

- Original Message - 
From: Ron D'Eau Claire r...@cobi.biz
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs FT817 - how do the insidedimensions 
compare?
 It was cheaper to drop
 general coverage receive. It was also true that they were typically better
 performing than most general coverage receivers, mostly due to improved
 input filtering that protected the mixer from large off-frequency signals.

 As you may recall, most general coverage receivers up to that time used
 simple L/C tunable input filters that required multiple knob-twiddling or 
 a
 big ganged multi-section tuning cap with the stages carefully adjusted 
 so
 they tracked the across the tuning range.

 A well-designed fixed tuned input filter was better, especially important
 consdering the relatively easy-to-overload mixers in common use back then.
 That gave the ad writers a good explanation for the limited tuning ranges.

 Ron AC7AC

 -Original Message-
 After almost 50 years of being a ham, I see that the conventional wisdom
 of NOT including general coverage in a receiver has been refuted.  It was
 thought to be at the expense of performance on the ham bands.

 How have modern design techniques overcome this limitation?

 73 de Jim - AD6CW


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs FT817 - how do the insidedimensions compare?

2011-10-23 Thread Rick Bates
While we're OT, does someone have an accurate AND current list of general
coverage things to listen in on?  I used to love to do that, until I got
licensed and could actually talk to those far away places.  And my exchange
students were impressed and amused when I could hand them a current issue
the Kyodo daily news (via FAX) with their breakfast.  ;-)

Rick WA6NHC

-Original Message-
From: Paul Christensen

 I had the impression that the rise of the Ham-band-only transceiver in 
 the
 1950's and 60's was based on simple economics.  It was cheaper to drop
 general coverage receive...


I have several Hallicrafters receivers snipped

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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs FT817 - how do the insidedimensions compare?

2011-10-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
You misunderstood Paul. It think we're in full agreement. The top end
receivers (I had an HRO-5) were expensive and mechanically complex to
provide tracking, tunable input filtering. 

What you quoted from my post was that I said it was cheaper to skip that
sort of complexity in favor of a fixed-tuned ham-band-only input filter.
And, by going to fixed tuned input filters, actually improve the Ham band
performance - especially when compared with the performance of most of the
lower cost receivers commonly used by Hams. Dropping the multi-section
tuning caps resulted in a great mechanical simplification too. 

Just a guess, but doubt that the multiple-stage tuned input filters in my
HRO were as good as a good fixed tuned filter - especially when considering
the ultimate rejection of very strong signals far from the desired
frequency. 

Note that I was speaking of RF input filtering to avoid overload, not dial
calibration or tuning stability. My HRO was quite good (but I never switched
the filaments off :-) and the Collins PTOs were outstanding. I had occasion
to rebuild a number of those for Lockheed - they were quite an impressive
electrical and mechanical design. 

73,

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul Christensen
Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 12:49 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs FT817 - how do the insidedimensions
compare?

 I had the impression that the rise of the Ham-band-only transceiver in 
 the
 1950's and 60's was based on simple economics.  It was cheaper to drop
 general coverage receive...

Just the opposite, I think.  Some of the poorest performing -- and least 
expensive receivers provided general coverage.  The most expensive receivers

of their respective eras were the Collins 75A, Collins 75S, Drake R-4, and 
National HRO, all of which were at the top-end of the purchasing ladder in 
their day...


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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs FT817 - how do the insidedimensions compare?

2011-10-23 Thread David Christ
Depends on what you are trying to accomplish.  If it is to prove you 
can pick up the signal direct through the air then SWL is the name of 
the game.  (DXing is two way SWL i guess).  But if it is truly the 
content you are interested in then Internet radio is the thing.  Yes, 
you can do it with the computer but I just bought an Internet radio 
from C Crane. 
http://www.ccrane.com/radios/wifi-radios/cc-wifi-radio.aspx
Best way of listening to foreign radio stations I have run into. 
Great for listening to a lot of home town stations, too.

Now back to that two way SWL stuff on my K3

David K0LUM

At 1:44 PM -0700 10/23/11, Rick Bates wrote:
While we're OT, does someone have an accurate AND current list of general
coverage things to listen in on?  I used to love to do that, until I got
licensed and could actually talk to those far away places.  And my exchange
students were impressed and amused when I could hand them a current issue
the Kyodo daily news (via FAX) with their breakfast.  ;-)

Rick WA6NHC
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Re: [Elecraft] KX3 vs FT817 - how do the inside dimensions compare?

2011-10-23 Thread Fred Jensen
On 10/23/2011 12:12 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 I had the impression that the rise of the Ham-band-only transceiver in the
 1950's and 60's was based on simple economics.

I have the GC BPF for my K3, and it works very well.  There is still 
some press to be found on RTTY [usually 850 Hz shift], and sometimes I 
find the BBC.  They have a lot of exposure here in the US via NPR and 
others, but it's fun to hear it from the Mother Country occasionally. 
  Sometimes I start copying the numbers stations just wondering whose 
spies I'm hearing :-))

I think the rise of the transceiver [vs separate tx and rx which had 
ruled ham shacks since the beginning of time] was the result of the 
KWM-2.  Tuning SSB was hard on the receivers of that day, zero-beating 
your TX was even harder.  When a box appeared that absolutely guaranteed 
you were transmitting on the same frequency as you were listening, hams 
embraced the concept [and SSB] almost fully [there were some AM 
holdouts, still are I guess].

Art's masterful scheme of a RX/TX covering 200 KHz around 3 MHz preceded 
by a crystal controlled converter for any 200 KHz range in the HF 
spectrum seems to have gotten everyone used to the idea of 
ham-band-only, although the KWM-2A with it's switchable crystal decks 
was by far and away the HF workhorse for the US Military in the 60's on 
other than ham band frequencies.  The S-line was just a KWM-2 split into 
a RX and TX.

A data point I'd sure like to see is how my K3 stacks up against the S-3 
line I wish I had held onto.  I had the 2.1 KHz and 500 Hz mech filters, 
I know there was a 250 Hz available, but I wonder how it would do with 
the blocking tests we now spend so much time scrutinizing.  Not that I'm 
about to give up my K3 :-)

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org

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[Elecraft] OT: General coverage

2011-10-23 Thread Jim Lowman
Is this table from Sherwood Engineering what you're looking for?

http://www.sherweng.com/table.html

The K3 receiver specs are there, as well as those for the 75S-3B and 3C.

72/73 de Jim - AD6CW

On 10/23/2011 4:25 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 A data point I'd sure like to see is how my K3 stacks up against the 
 S-3 line I wish I had held onto. I had the 2.1 KHz and 500 Hz mech 
 filters, I know there was a 250 Hz available, but I wonder how it 
 would do with the blocking tests we now spend so much time 
 scrutinizing. Not that I'm about to give up my K3 :-) 73, Fred K6DGW - 
 Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 
 Oct 2012 - www.cqp.org 
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Re: [Elecraft] OT: General coverage

2011-10-23 Thread Fred Jensen
On 10/23/2011 6:02 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
 Is this table from Sherwood Engineering what you're looking for?

Wow!! Overwhelming data!  Let me see what I can do with this after 
getting rid of all the stuff that doesn't apply.

73,

Fred K6DGW
- Northern California Contest Club
- CU in the 2012 Cal QSO Party 6-7 Oct 2012
- www.cqp.org
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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net results (10/23/11)

2011-10-23 Thread Phillip Shepard
We had a good net with generally strong signal levels.  We had 35
participants over a 25 minute period.  Lyle tantalized us with KX3 s/n 2!
There was no discussion to speak of.  Have a great week.

Here is the list of participants.

Station NameQTH Rig S/N

WB6CLZ  MikeCA  K3  4522
AE6IC   FredCA  K3  2241
KG6IRW  David   CA  K3  4982
N6JWJohnCA  K3/2936/3290
WO1IDickMA  K3  911
W5ETJ   GaryTX  K3  3227
N1OXA   IvanME  K3  4538
W4PFM   PaulVA  K3  1673
K6BFBernard CA  K3  4608
K6CGDickCA  K3  3697
AL7CE   Terry   AK  K3  5137
K4GCJ   Gerry   NC  K3  1597
K7BRR   BillAZ  K3  5545
KK7PLyleWA  KX3 2
K7QHD   KurtAZ  K2  1538
K6DSW   Don CA  K3  3138
K5UTG   Warren  OK  K3  4035
W6VYBob CA  K3  5788
KN5LJohnTX  K3  4448
K6VWE   StanMI  K3  650
NA6ZDon CA  K3  5495
KJ7RT   GaryAZ  K2  681510w
KJ6CBS  DaveCA  K3  405210w
NV5ERob TX  K3  1417
WA6NHC  RickCA  K3  5882
AB7CE   Roy MT  K2  40  QRP
KA0NCR  Arnie   NE  K3  185
W4RKS   Jim AL  K3  3618
KC9LIF  KentIL  K2  68965w
W7NMD   Palmer  AR  K3  3779
KE5RBS  Kelvin  AR  K2  7162
N1KGP   Marty   CT  K3  5255
W8YMO   Harry   OH  K3  166
NK8ADaveOH  K3  5411
NS7PPhilOR  K3  1826

73,

Phil, NS7P

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Re: [Elecraft] OT: General coverage

2011-10-23 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
Interesting stuff, but I really don't want to know the specs on my WWII
vintage HRO-5. Everything's relative. My HRO was a huge step up from my
previous regen and S-38. And, over the years, it went through several
evolutions with the addition of a beam-deflection mixer, second 2.5 kHz xtal
filter in the I.F. and, by the time I donated it to a new Ham for his first
rx about 1970, it was all solid state! 

The most disappointing thing about modern Ham gear with every cubic inch
filled with I.C.s and digital controllers is that it's not nearly so easy to
tinker with and adapt. 

Ron AC7AC

-Original Message-

On 10/23/2011 6:02 PM, Jim Lowman wrote:
 Is this table from Sherwood Engineering what you're looking for?

Wow!! Overwhelming data!  Let me see what I can do with this after 
getting rid of all the stuff that doesn't apply.

73,

Fred K6DGW

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[Elecraft] P3: Can the Panadapter be used with a Ten Tec Orion 1?

2011-10-23 Thread Luis V. Romero
Hi all:
 
I realize that the P3 can be set to function with various transceivers, but
can it be used with an Orion 1 (the original model, not the current model)?
 
Im not really interested in using the Panadapter for monitoring On Air
received signals (although that might be nice if it worked well for that
purpose as well because the scope in the Orion, well, sucks!).  No, what I
want to do with my P3 is use it as a local spectrun analyser scope to set
audio frequency response and equalization for transmission. Transmitting
into a dummy load and turning monitor on, I can hear the monitor output of
the Orion, but it would be nice to also SEE it as well to better and more
accurately shape the signal.  Yes its better to do it with another receiver,
but time is of the essence in this environment.
 
Lacking a audio spectrum analyser, but having a P3, I thought I could put it
to good use next weekend for setting up consistent audio levels and
processing in this Ten Tec environment.  I have 12 Orion 1 transceivers to
match and not much time to do it, so it would be a helpful tool to have!
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Lu Romero - W4LT
K3 #3182/P3 # 1302
And now K1 # 2539
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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Can the Panadapter be used with a Ten Tec Orion 1?

2011-10-23 Thread Don Wilhelm
Lu,

I don't like to discourage list members away from Elecraft products, but 
I do not know if the P3 will do the task you are asking about - it 
depends on what other equipment you have to use along with the P3.  Yes, 
the P3 can do the job IF you have the other equipment to run it for your 
immediate purposes.

I would suggest that you also investigate the Simple Spectrum Analyzer 
by G4AON used in conjunction with Spectrogram or SpectrumLab or other 
computer based FFT audio spectrum analyzer.
You can find information on the resistive tap and the mixer at 
http://www.astromag.co.uk/ssa/.  This is an adaptation of the 40 dB 
resistive tap from the W7ZOI Power Meter along with a mixer to bring the 
signal down to baseband where it can be analyzed with an audio FFT 
spectrum analyzer.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/23/2011 11:08 PM, Luis V. Romero wrote:
 Hi all:

 I realize that the P3 can be set to function with various transceivers, but
 can it be used with an Orion 1 (the original model, not the current model)?

 Im not really interested in using the Panadapter for monitoring On Air
 received signals (although that might be nice if it worked well for that
 purpose as well because the scope in the Orion, well, sucks!).  No, what I
 want to do with my P3 is use it as a local spectrun analyser scope to set
 audio frequency response and equalization for transmission. Transmitting
 into a dummy load and turning monitor on, I can hear the monitor output of
 the Orion, but it would be nice to also SEE it as well to better and more
 accurately shape the signal.  Yes its better to do it with another receiver,
 but time is of the essence in this environment.

 Lacking a audio spectrum analyser, but having a P3, I thought I could put it
 to good use next weekend for setting up consistent audio levels and
 processing in this Ten Tec environment.  I have 12 Orion 1 transceivers to
 match and not much time to do it, so it would be a helpful tool to have!

 Thanks in advance.

 Lu Romero - W4LT
 K3 #3182/P3 # 1302
 And now K1 # 2539
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[Elecraft] Metal Film Resistors In K2?

2011-10-23 Thread Dave Richards
I'm getting closer and closer to pulling the trigger on a K2 and I have a 
question that I hope Wayne or Eric will give their thoughts on.

I know that the K2 is known for it's low-noise receiver but I'm wondering 
whether substituting metal film resistors for the carbon film ones that come 
with the kit would reduce the noise even more? I'm thinking that it certaily 
can't hurt - that there could only be an upside.

I did perform a search before asking this question to see whether anyone else 
has asked, but didn't find anything.

Dave
AA7EE
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