Re: [Elecraft] Which keyboard for P3/SVGA?

[Richard Fjeld]

On 8/5/2015 11:48 AM, Paul Saffren N6HZ wrote:

I want to add a short list of recommended keyboards to our P3/SVGA order page
to help future customers select a suitable keyboard.  If you're using a
keyboard with your P3/SVGA, please post a reply and tell us what model
number it is, price you paid, etc.


Thanks and kind regards,

Paul n6hz


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Paul,

I use a Logitech K120 USB keyboard.   Bought it too long ago to remember 
price. I think it was 'cheap'.  I wish my new laptop keyboard worked as 
well.


Dick, n0ce



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Re: [Elecraft] Prolific driver windows 10

[Richard Fjeld]

On 8/5/2015 4:49 PM, Alfredo Velez WP3C via Elecraft wrote:

HI

I installed Windows 10 and now it does not recognize the K3 by the 
CAT. I want to know if there is a new prolific driver.  Thanks 73'



Alfredo Velez WP3C/NP4DX
e-mail: mailto:w...@aol.com
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Alfredo, have you seen the note in red ink at the prolific website at 
this link?


http://www.prolific.com.tw/US/ShowProduct.aspx?p_id=225&pcid=41

It seems to me that there was some chatter in the past about  USB to 
Serial cable look-alikes.


Dick, n0ce


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[Elecraft] FS: Elecraft KX-1

[Kenneth Talbott]

Time to thin the herd!

Elecraft KX-1 QRP CW Transceiver SN: 787

Cosmetically excellent with slight signs of gentle use

KXPD1 keyer paddle

KXAT1 Internal Antenna Tuner Unit

KXB30 30M module

RF Firmware upgraded to v1.02

ATU Firmware v1.2

40/30/20 meter CW transceiver

Broadband SWL and SSB receive

Headset connector and digital encoder recently replaced

Sensitive receiver and approximately 4 watts output

Manuals available at:

http://www.elecraft.com/K2_Manual_Download_Page.htm#KX1

$425 shipped CONUS ONLY USPS Priority Mail

Postal Money Order or add $20 for PayPal

Sorry, no returns.  You won't be disappointed.

Pictures on request.

Ken - ke4rg

 

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[Elecraft] KAT100 Dead

[Tom Field]

Having gotten the side tone situation sorted out, I now find I have no
power going to the KAT 100.
I've checked the plug and voltage on D4, R12, and R11.  There appears to be
nothing getting through Q1, I have no voltage on the collector and no
voltage on U8.  Bad Q1?

Tom
KN6DR
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Re: [Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN

[Byron Peebles]

I wanted to add one more comment to this thread.

IN operating the front panel, moving between bands absolutely benefits 
from the current standard.
That is, when I go back to 40 meters, it takes me to the previous 
frequency and mode.  Totally right.


What I'd love to see, though, is that radio firmware not just emulate 
users pushing buttons, but understand that the software might always do 
three things together, band, frequency, mode, plus filters et al, and 
provide a fast way to do that in one command. Just a thought


On 08/05/2015 07:45 PM, Byron Peebles wrote:
I have heard from Elecraft and List Members that this is how the radio 
works.
It first switches to the mode last used on the band, and then the 
control software sets your requested mode.

It's a two step process.  A little annoying, but I'm certain I'll adjust.

72, Byron

On 08/05/2015 09:18 AM, Bill Breeden wrote:


Byron,

I never noticed the behavior you described until you pointed it out, 
but I see now that my K3 works the same way.  I have been using the 
file "Elecraft K3 X5" with DX4WIN to drive my K3 for several years. I 
suspect the radio is doing exactly what DX4WIN is requesting.


73,

Bill - NA5DX


[Elecraft] K3S band Change with DX4WIN

Byron Peebles NZ3O at arrl.net
Tue Aug 4 21:42:32 EDT 2015

I am researching an issue I experience when I click a spot in DX4WIN.

When I click a spot, switch bands, even CW-to-CW, the K3S switches first
to the band, then SSB, and then CW.
The momentary switch to SSB is probably something in the radio file I am
using, new to me, but I wanted to see if anyone else had this issue.  I
am using the DX4WIN file "Elecraft K3 X5".

TIA, 72, Byron
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Windows 10 and the KUSB

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

Here's a response from a friend that is way more knowledgeable about 
computer stuff than myself.


Pertaining to Windows 10 :

"In the instances of the Rascal I was using for RTTY (Buxcomm) the old 
prolific USB to RS232 converters did not work and they are now in the 
junk box.  I bought two new ones from RT Systems with the FTDI Chipset 
and that solved the connection problems. Dave x and Bruce  x 
have had the same issues and either have or in the process of changing 
their old converters out."


I too, with other radios, have experienced issues with the Prolific chip 
sets.  When replaced with the FTDI Chip set converter, all was well.


In other words, all USB to RS-232 converters are not created equal.

73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/6/2015 6:26 PM, John W2XS wrote:

I took the plunge and upgraded to Windows 10 on Monday. After the
installation was complete, I could no longer connect to my K3 with the N3FJP
logging program.  The response from Howard at Elecraft support to my email
was very fast. He suggested that my 2009-vintage silver KUSB cable would not
be supported by the new operating system and that they had switched chipsets
in 2010.  I downloaded what I thought was the latest driver from Prolific
but it still didn't work. So I ordered a new KUSB from Elecraft on Tuesday
and it arrived today (Thursday). It is black. I plugged the new cable in and
immediately my PC was connected to the K3 and all is well. So, a silver or
maybe gray KUSB may not work with Windows 10.

My K3 is S/N 919 and I have kept it up to date including the new synthesizer
boards. I ordered the KBPF3 upgrade with the new KUSB and may spring for the
KXV3B to replace my KXV3 and PR6-10 to free up some room behind the
transceiver.

If anyone is planning on staying with Windows 7 and wants an older KUSB, let
me know.

73,

John W2XS

K1 (S/N 2191) 4-band w/KNB1, KAT1, KBT1, back light, and mounting bracket.
KX1 (S/N 015) w/KXPD1, KXAT1, KXB30 (the one QST used for their review).
K2 (S/N 1116) w/KAT2, KSB2, K160RX, KIO2, KBT2, KNB2, KAF2, FDIMP (the one
Sherwood built).
Drake T4-X (S/N 6 - just a coincidence).
K3/100 (S/N 919) w/KAT3, KBPF3, KUSB(now new), KFL3A-200, -500, -2.7K, -6K,
-FM, KRX3, KXV3, PR6-10.
P3 (S/N 476).
HexKey (S/N 113).
DL1, BL1, BL2, N-gen, XG1, W1, BNC-MM




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[Elecraft] P3TXMon

[Merv Schweigert]

Received my P3 TX mon kit the other day and put it in today,
as someone mentioned, took 30 mins or less,  very easy
and great fit etc.
Worked as soon as I fired up the P3 and turned on the TX
feature.

One thing I would like to mention is that my P3 is a older beta
version,  and I have been seeing some odd "noise" on the
display,   it seemed to be internal,   while having the P3 lid off,
I cleaned and applied DeOxit to the cables,  and installed the
cable clip that holds the ribbon cable to the side of the cabinet,
after reassembly all the "noise" is gone and the P3 works like
new.
If your seeing any thing strange on your P3 and cannot find an
external source,  perhaps clean your TMP cables and BNC
connectors etc,  check if you have the cable clip on your
model,
73 Merv K9FD/KH6

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Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner

[G4GNX]

Thanks to all of you who replied to my initial message. I think I'd part 
convinced myself that I would prefer the KAT500 and your various comments 
have reinforced those thoughts.


The KAT500 User Manual mentions use of the AH-4 protocol, which is what the 
IC7100 uses. It also mentions use of 7 Watts, so I would hope that the 
IC7100 would work OK as it outputs 10W in tune mode.


It's more important to me that the K3 and KPA500 interfaces with the KAT500, 
the Icom interface would be a secondary useful bonus.


73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: Vic Rosenthal

Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 9:00 AM
To: G4GNX
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 tuner

It would be interesting to compare the toroids and capacitors in both 
products. My guess is that they would be similar, and the difference in 
ratings is based on the degree to which the manufacturer wishes to be 
conservative. As I've said on numerous occasions, MFJ products are rated in 
MFJ watts, which are half the size of regular watts (Pmfj = 2EI).


Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO


On Aug 5, 2015, at 4:47 AM, G4GNX  wrote:

Hi all.

I am contemplating purchasing a KPA500 amplifier to complement my K3.

I currently have a MFJ 998 tuner which is good for 1.5KW but I think that 
the KAT500 tuner from Elecraft will be a superior product. Would this be a 
sensible assumption?


If I also buy the KAT500, will it easily interface with my Icom IC700 and 
is there a specific setting that would allow me to use the IC7100 “Tune” 
button, which allows tuning at reduced power (ISTR it’s set at 10watts)?


73,

Alan. G4GNX 


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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Chortek Bob via Elecraft]

I'm not suggesting you buy a KPA500, but those that have them do have a 
dedicated band button when properly cabled.  
Bob/AA6VB
  From: Don Wilhelm 
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 3:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted
   
Brian,

You are correct, it is a 2 button sequence, but I did not present it as 
a single button operation.

If you hold the M>V button instead of tapping it, you get AF Play - 
which is no problem if you do not have the DVR3 installed.
Guest operators using my K3 at Field Day have had no problem with it 
even though they have had little experience with the K3.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 8/6/2015 5:33 PM, brian wrote:
> Don,
>
> Respectfully, this isn't one button per band.  It is two.
>
> Also tapping M>V isn't foolproof because this button has two 
> functions.  Tap too long and you don't get M>V.
>

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[Elecraft] K3 Windows 10 and the KUSB

[John W2XS]

I took the plunge and upgraded to Windows 10 on Monday. After the
installation was complete, I could no longer connect to my K3 with the N3FJP
logging program.  The response from Howard at Elecraft support to my email
was very fast. He suggested that my 2009-vintage silver KUSB cable would not
be supported by the new operating system and that they had switched chipsets
in 2010.  I downloaded what I thought was the latest driver from Prolific
but it still didn't work. So I ordered a new KUSB from Elecraft on Tuesday
and it arrived today (Thursday). It is black. I plugged the new cable in and
immediately my PC was connected to the K3 and all is well. So, a silver or
maybe gray KUSB may not work with Windows 10.

My K3 is S/N 919 and I have kept it up to date including the new synthesizer
boards. I ordered the KBPF3 upgrade with the new KUSB and may spring for the
KXV3B to replace my KXV3 and PR6-10 to free up some room behind the
transceiver.

If anyone is planning on staying with Windows 7 and wants an older KUSB, let
me know.

73,

John W2XS

K1 (S/N 2191) 4-band w/KNB1, KAT1, KBT1, back light, and mounting bracket.
KX1 (S/N 015) w/KXPD1, KXAT1, KXB30 (the one QST used for their review).
K2 (S/N 1116) w/KAT2, KSB2, K160RX, KIO2, KBT2, KNB2, KAF2, FDIMP (the one
Sherwood built).
Drake T4-X (S/N 6 - just a coincidence).
K3/100 (S/N 919) w/KAT3, KBPF3, KUSB(now new), KFL3A-200, -500, -2.7K, -6K,
-FM, KRX3, KXV3, PR6-10.
P3 (S/N 476).
HexKey (S/N 113).
DL1, BL1, BL2, N-gen, XG1, W1, BNC-MM




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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[G4GNX]

I would be happy to own an Elecraft rig that had those extra features, but I 
generally find that the buttons are large enough for my fat fingers and 
they're spaced far enough apart for me not to make mistakes.


The only time I've been dissatisfied with the cabinet size is when someone 
else (who usually doesn't own a K3) complains that it doesn't look like a 
'real' radio. Do I care? Do I . :-)


73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: Doug Person via Elecraft

Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 8:44 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

If you review past posts regarding this subject, you'll find that it has
been discussed in great detail.  Just search on "K4".  Many of us would
like to see a full-size, no-holds-barred Elecraft radio with the function
of the P3 built-in much like the Icom radios and the new Kenwood
TS-990.  When and if that will ever happen remains a topic of pure
speculation.  Hint: don't hold your breath.

73, Doug -- K0DXV

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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Don Wilhelm]

Brian,

You are correct, it is a 2 button sequence, but I did not present it as 
a single button operation.


If you hold the M>V button instead of tapping it, you get AF Play - 
which is no problem if you do not have the DVR3 installed.
Guest operators using my K3 at Field Day have had no problem with it 
even though they have had little experience with the K3.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/6/2015 5:33 PM, brian wrote:

Don,

Respectfully, this isn't one button per band.   It is two.

Also tapping M>V isn't foolproof because this button has two 
functions.  Tap too long and you don't get M>V.




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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 136, Issue 14

[ae4pb]

Sorry to disagree David, USB is a BUS. It's specifically designed to be able
to connect multiple devices to it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB

Jerry Moore
Future Owner 


Message: 14
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2015 19:43:02 +0100
From: David Woolley 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Developing Products, the Elecraft Way
Message-ID: <55c3aab6.5030...@david-woolley.me.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 05/08/15 16:21, Jerry Moore wrote:
> My thoughts would be that all devices use the USB instead of RS232. By
> design the USB is a BUS rather than a point to point protocol as is RS232.

In spite of its name, USB is not a bus.  At the physical level, it is 
most definitely point to point, and, unlike RS232 cannot be abused into 
a bus configuration.

It does have a network layer, although I think that only supports 
unicast.  RS232 is only a physical layer specification, and not a 
complete one.  Anyone using the internet before ADSL almost certainly 
was using RS232 as the first hop to a global network.

-- 
David Woolley
Owner K2 06123

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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Amateur Radio Operator N5GE]

I have a beautiful thirty inch wide Sonora 5 1920's eara tube batery
receiver model C-10642 in perfect cosmetic shape with three large
bakelite knobs, and two small bakelite knobs, but I can only look at
it.

I also have a brand new Yaesu FTdx1200 that is 14 inches wide and
can't hold a candle to my K3 SN 1025.  It's big and it's pretty, but
that's all it has that the K3 doesn't have.

I'd rather have a better ugly rig that has superior performance than a
a pretty one that doesn't.  I'll stick with the K3 I have, and the K3S
I have ordered.

That's just my opinion.  I could be wrong.

 

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 12:50:23 -0600, you wrote:

>In an earlier comment Wayne said that Elecraft takes comments made on this
>reflector into consideration for future improvement.  I have two K3's and
>don't really have any negative comments but I do have some things that I
>would like to see improved -- or perhaps a better word would be "different"
>in the next Elecraft radio.  While I recognize that the K3 was designed to
>be compact, light, and efficient for portability, I would like to see a
>version that is designed with style in mind.  I would pay more for better
>"finish".  I used a FT1000D for many years before switching to the K3.
>Performance-wise the K3 is superior...and performance is the primary
>criteria for me in choosing a radio.  However, with respect to "finish", the
>Yaesu radio is superior.  It "looks" and feels more expensive.  Not everyone
>wants or needs a radio that is designed to be portable (and most active hams
>have more than one radio anyway).  I'd like to see K3 performance come in a
>sleeker design...If you spin the tuning knob on the Yaesu, it is smooth and
>coasts along on ball bearings...the feel of the knobs and switches is
>better.  A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
>a larger cabinet would give more working space on the rear.  (With the
>preamp, KPA500, KAT500, RTTY, external keyer, etc, the back on the K3
>becomes a real kluge.)  A radio designed to be more "fixed station" could
>also have the power supply built in and perhaps even have 150 - 200 watt
>capability.  The P3 could be built in as well.  The display on an IC7800 is
>really nice (in my opinion)...Elecraft could do something of similar
>quality.  
>
>I'm not suggesting that the K3 or K3S be "deleted" from the product line --
>just an alternate packaging solution that would compete more favorably with
>the Japanese look and feel.  I'd gladly pay significantly more for a radio
>with K3 performance and IC7800 look and feel... and based on comments I have
>heard from others, I think that Elecraft would find a market for it.  In
>fact I know some  people who don't own a K3 because of the "look".  For some
>price will always be the primary consideration.  For others, it is
>secondary.  If Elecraft were to come out with a K3S "Deluxe" I would
>probably own "both" radios...keeping the K3 for whatever portable
>opportunity might present itself.  I do miss the "feel" of the FT1000D.
>
>Also I would like to see the APF improved by allowing the peaking filter to
>be "tuned" as it was on the FT1000D.  I almost always used the APF on the
>Yaesu but end up turning it off when I try it on the K3.  I think the "peak"
>is too narrow.
>
>I realize I'm offering a lot of MY opinions here and not everyone will want
>or agree with my suggestions...but it is what it is -- my wish list.  I'm
>hoping that this subject does not start a lot of speculation on "what it
>would cost" because that's not the point.  If Elecraft were to consider a
>new design, they would have to determine the cost and its potential success
>in the market.
>
>Ohone more thing -- tongue firmly in cheek -- a larger cabinet would
>look good next to that 1500 watt amplifier that Elecraft teased us with at
>Dayton some years ago...
>
>73, Greg-N4CC
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Re: [Elecraft] High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay QRQ CW

[Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft]

It turns out the delay in this case is due to the particular keyboard in use as 
it has a sleep mode and wakes up slowly.


73,

Eric
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On 8/6/2015 10:58 AM, ae...@carolinaheli.com wrote:

Re: High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay at high speeds with
K3/P3 (Jerry Moore)

Some thoughts and conjecture:
Dropped Characters:
At the default port speed of 38400 any errors in transmission could possibly
result in dropped data rather than a resend depending on error
handling..etc.. I've suggested to Marc to re-seat all physical connections
in the signal path. Lowering the port speed resulted in no dropped
characters. I don't have the gear to actually look at this but it could be
caused by something as simple as a bad cable, bent cable..etc.. serial data
is pretty simple but doesn't take much to trip it at high data rates. That's
why there's usually some error detection/correction going on with some
applications.

Delay:
My thoughts on this are that the P3 is probably polling the radio for status
and the K3 interrupts the TX data stream to send status,
frequency..etc...The P3 buffers the sending data until the polling cycle
completes and goes back to sending.

Without a lot more information and gear all of my ramblings are little more
that guesses. The Delay could perhaps be affected by prioritizing the
traffic, knowing how long a polling cycle takes, and maybe splitting the
polling cycle in to smaller, more often sent, bits, rather than a chunk
stream. Of course this only currently affects communications where a
keyboard is sending high speed characters/CW to the P3 to be sent via the
K3. The port speed should support those rates easily but HOW the
conversation takes place may need to be tweaked a bit.

Fixes for the Dropped Characters may be as easy to fix with a new cable or a
shorter one.

Just thinking out loud here. I enjoy helping solve technical issues.

Jer / AE4PB


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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[brian]

Don,

Respectfully, this isn't one button per band.   It is two.

Also tapping M>V isn't foolproof because this button has two functions.  
Tap too long and you don't get M>V.


73 de Brian/K3KO



On 8/6/2015 20:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Chris,

My K3 is set up with a button for each band (except for 60 meters).

Check out the manual for "Quick Memories" (Under Memory Controls) 
Which use the first 10 memory slots.
I tap M>V and then tap one of the 10 keypad buttons to go to the last 
used frequency, mode, etc. on the band related to that memory.
You can arrange the key number/band correlation in any manner you so 
desire.


In addition, I set up the M1 thru M4 buttons to navigate to my 
favorite spot in each band.  I use M1 for CW, M2 for SSB and M3 for 
data modes.
I leave M4 blank, but I can quickly add it to remember a frequency, 
mode, etc. within the band if I think I may want to return to it after 
tuning away.


For 60 meters, I have 5 memories set for channel hopping, and normally 
when I tap the M>V button, that sequence of 5 channels comes up, and 
tapping M>V again puts me on 60 meters with channel hopping active, so 
I can change from one channel to another with the VFO knob.  See 
Channel Hopping in the manual.


So I do have band buttons on my K3. Only rarely do I use the BAND 
up/dn buttons.


On 8/6/2015 3:40 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Greg  wrote:


A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and


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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Harry Yingst via Elecraft]

I have a Genovation Keypad that I can program up to do many functions.





  From: Chris Hallinan 
 To: Greg  
Cc: ""  
 Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 3:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted
   
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Greg  wrote:


>

A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
> a larger cabinet would give more working space on the rear.  (With the
> preamp, KPA500, KAT500, RTTY, external keyer, etc, the back on the K3
> becomes a real kluge.)  A radio designed to be more "fixed station" could
> also have the power supply built in and perhaps even have 150 - 200 watt
> capability.  The P3 could be built in as well.  The display on an IC7800 is
> really nice (in my opinion)...Elecraft could do something of similar
> quality.
>

The one feature I miss the most is having a button for each band.  In my
previous Yaesu rig, each band button had two settings, push once for your
favorite CW settings and freq, and again for SSB.  I use HRD macros for
that now, but I really don't like to use the computer to push buttons on my
radio.  I could see a single additional button, a toggle function, which
changed the personality of the keypad to make them band buttons. Toggle
again, back to normal functionality for those buttons. Hey, and there's
room for that button right next to the CLR button.  Just saying... ;)

-Chris
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[Elecraft] KPA 100 temp rise

[Hans Bonnesen]

I do a bit of rag chewing on my K2 with my KAP100/KAT 100 in EC2 enclosure.
With only two participants rag chewing the grilles of the KPA100 on the top of 
the EC2 enclosure tend to get hot.
They are more than luke warm to the touch after half an hour of rag chewing 
running 100 watts.
Will I get a warning on the display,- and are there any way of controlling the 
built-in fan – running or not running – from the front panel of the K2
Any further precautions besides tightening up the screws of the PA transistors.?
OZ5RB, Hans
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[Elecraft] KPA 100 temp rise

[Hans Bonnesen]

I do a bit of rag chewing on my K2 with my KAP100/KAT 100 in EC2 enclosure.
With only two participants rag chewing the grilles of the KPA100 on the top of 
the EC2 enclosure tend to get hot.
They are more than luke warm to the touch after half an hour of rag chewing 
running 100 watts.
Will I get a warning on the display,- and are there any way of controlling the 
built-in fan – running or not running – from the front panel of the K2
Any further precautions besides tightening up the screws of the PA transistors.?
OZ5RB, Hans
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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Chris Hallinan]

Ah, thanks Jim and Don.  While I have made some use of memories, I have not
done anything with M1 through M4, and I didn't realize the first 10 are
"special".  That's why I hang around this list, to learn more about this
great rig!!!  Time for some manual reading and button playing tonight!

Thanks & 73,

Chris
K1AY

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Don Wilhelm  wrote:

> Chris,
>
> My K3 is set up with a button for each band (except for 60 meters).
>
> Check out the manual for "Quick Memories" (Under Memory Controls) Which
> use the first 10 memory slots.
> I tap M>V and then tap one of the 10 keypad buttons to go to the last used
> frequency, mode, etc. on the band related to that memory.
> You can arrange the key number/band correlation in any manner you so
> desire.
>
> In addition, I set up the M1 thru M4 buttons to navigate to my favorite
> spot in each band.  I use M1 for CW, M2 for SSB and M3 for data modes.
> I leave M4 blank, but I can quickly add it to remember a frequency, mode,
> etc. within the band if I think I may want to return to it after tuning
> away.
>
> For 60 meters, I have 5 memories set for channel hopping, and normally
> when I tap the M>V button, that sequence of 5 channels comes up, and
> tapping M>V again puts me on 60 meters with channel hopping active, so I
> can change from one channel to another with the VFO knob.  See Channel
> Hopping in the manual.
>
> So I do have band buttons on my K3. Only rarely do I use the BAND up/dn
> buttons.
>
>
> On 8/6/2015 3:40 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Greg  wrote:
>> 
>>
>> A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
>>
>
>


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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Don Wilhelm]

Chris,

My K3 is set up with a button for each band (except for 60 meters).

Check out the manual for "Quick Memories" (Under Memory Controls) Which 
use the first 10 memory slots.
I tap M>V and then tap one of the 10 keypad buttons to go to the last 
used frequency, mode, etc. on the band related to that memory.

You can arrange the key number/band correlation in any manner you so desire.

In addition, I set up the M1 thru M4 buttons to navigate to my favorite 
spot in each band.  I use M1 for CW, M2 for SSB and M3 for data modes.
I leave M4 blank, but I can quickly add it to remember a frequency, 
mode, etc. within the band if I think I may want to return to it after 
tuning away.


For 60 meters, I have 5 memories set for channel hopping, and normally 
when I tap the M>V button, that sequence of 5 channels comes up, and 
tapping M>V again puts me on 60 meters with channel hopping active, so I 
can change from one channel to another with the VFO knob.  See Channel 
Hopping in the manual.


So I do have band buttons on my K3. Only rarely do I use the BAND up/dn 
buttons.


On 8/6/2015 3:40 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Greg  wrote:


A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and


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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Jim Brown]

On Thu,8/6/2015 12:40 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote:

The one feature I miss the most is having a button for each band.


Study the parts of the manual that talk about memories. A lot of what 
you want can be achieved by programming memories.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Doug Person via Elecraft]

If you review past posts regarding this subject, you'll find that it has 
been discussed in great detail.  Just search on "K4".  Many of us would 
like to see a full-size, no-holds-bared Elecraft radio with the function 
of the P3 built-in much like the Icom radios and the new Kenwood 
TS-990.  When and if that will ever happen remains a topic of pure 
speculation.  Hint: don't hold your breath.


73, Doug -- K0DXV

On 8/6/2015 12:50 PM, Greg wrote:

In an earlier comment Wayne said that Elecraft takes comments made on this
reflector into consideration for future improvement.  I have two K3's and
don't really have any negative comments but I do have some things that I
would like to see improved -- or perhaps a better word would be "different"
in the next Elecraft radio.  While I recognize that the K3 was designed to
be compact, light, and efficient for portability, I would like to see a
version that is designed with style in mind.  I would pay more for better
"finish".  I used a FT1000D for many years before switching to the K3.
Performance-wise the K3 is superior...and performance is the primary
criteria for me in choosing a radio.  However, with respect to "finish", the
Yaesu radio is superior.  It "looks" and feels more expensive.  Not everyone
wants or needs a radio that is designed to be portable (and most active hams
have more than one radio anyway).  I'd like to see K3 performance come in a
sleeker design...If you spin the tuning knob on the Yaesu, it is smooth and
coasts along on ball bearings...the feel of the knobs and switches is
better.  A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
a larger cabinet would give more working space on the rear.  (With the
preamp, KPA500, KAT500, RTTY, external keyer, etc, the back on the K3
becomes a real kluge.)  A radio designed to be more "fixed station" could
also have the power supply built in and perhaps even have 150 - 200 watt
capability.  The P3 could be built in as well.  The display on an IC7800 is
really nice (in my opinion)...Elecraft could do something of similar
quality.

I'm not suggesting that the K3 or K3S be "deleted" from the product line --
just an alternate packaging solution that would compete more favorably with
the Japanese look and feel.  I'd gladly pay significantly more for a radio
with K3 performance and IC7800 look and feel... and based on comments I have
heard from others, I think that Elecraft would find a market for it.  In
fact I know some  people who don't own a K3 because of the "look".  For some
price will always be the primary consideration.  For others, it is
secondary.  If Elecraft were to come out with a K3S "Deluxe" I would
probably own "both" radios...keeping the K3 for whatever portable
opportunity might present itself.  I do miss the "feel" of the FT1000D.

Also I would like to see the APF improved by allowing the peaking filter to
be "tuned" as it was on the FT1000D.  I almost always used the APF on the
Yaesu but end up turning it off when I try it on the K3.  I think the "peak"
is too narrow.

I realize I'm offering a lot of MY opinions here and not everyone will want
or agree with my suggestions...but it is what it is -- my wish list.  I'm
hoping that this subject does not start a lot of speculation on "what it
would cost" because that's not the point.  If Elecraft were to consider a
new design, they would have to determine the cost and its potential success
in the market.

Ohone more thing -- tongue firmly in cheek -- a larger cabinet would
look good next to that 1500 watt amplifier that Elecraft teased us with at
Dayton some years ago...

73, Greg-N4CC
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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Chris Hallinan]

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 2:50 PM, Greg  wrote:


>

A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
> a larger cabinet would give more working space on the rear.  (With the
> preamp, KPA500, KAT500, RTTY, external keyer, etc, the back on the K3
> becomes a real kluge.)  A radio designed to be more "fixed station" could
> also have the power supply built in and perhaps even have 150 - 200 watt
> capability.  The P3 could be built in as well.  The display on an IC7800 is
> really nice (in my opinion)...Elecraft could do something of similar
> quality.
>

The one feature I miss the most is having a button for each band.  In my
previous Yaesu rig, each band button had two settings, push once for your
favorite CW settings and freq, and again for SSB.  I use HRD macros for
that now, but I really don't like to use the computer to push buttons on my
radio.  I could see a single additional button, a toggle function, which
changed the personality of the keypad to make them band buttons. Toggle
again, back to normal functionality for those buttons. Hey, and there's
room for that button right next to the CLR button.  Just saying... ;)

-Chris
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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Vic Rosenthal 4X6GP/K2VCO]

You can adjust the frequency of the APF peak with the SHIFT encoder. You 
can also tap the FINE button to get a slower tuning rate when you are 
using the APF. This makes it a bit easier.


In some conditions the APF makes the difference between being able to 
copy a station and not. Its usefulness depends on the nature of the 
background noise. Don't give up on it.


73,
Vic, 4X6GP/K2VCO
Rehovot, Israel
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On 6 Aug 2015 21:50, Greg wrote:

Also I would like to see the APF improved by allowing the peaking filter to
be "tuned" as it was on the FT1000D.  I almost always used the APF on the
Yaesu but end up turning it off when I try it on the K3.  I think the "peak"
is too narrow.
73, Greg-N4CC




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Re: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection

[Chris Hallinan]

I couldn't agree more, Hank.  That COR is a warning flag, and in my humble
opinion, not something I would consider for normal operation ;)

I'd also be interested in Elecraft's take on this.  At what level does it
kick in?  Also, what is the level of isolation between Aux RX In and the
main coax input/output?

-Chris

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Hank P  wrote:

> The external reed relay /miniature relays are OK  IF they are keyed by the
> key line  AND the RF is delayed a few ms from key line down.(K3 does this)
> The diode limiter circuits like the AS and others like that don’t have this
> limitation.
>
> BUT I would be interested in the OFFICIAL Elecraft position on their COR
>
> What bothers me about it is that if the internal relay is clicking , it
> has to already have seen enough RF to be considered potentially damaging in
> order for the K3 to decide the relay needs  to be actuated . So the barn
> door is closed after the RF has been applied for an unknown  period but
> surely a couple milliseconds.
>
> I am a belt and suspenders  type guy especially with expensive equipment -
> and my feeling is that the K3 COR is telling me to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
> NOW. I would never continue to operate with it actuating. I treat it as a
> nice warning thing Mr. Elecraft has given me, not something to be used
> continuously.
>
> I made my own RX ant protector with a  little DPDT miniature relay  that
> has gold plated contacts . It is wired so the rx ant line is opened and
> also the K3 rx input is shorted. One could argue which should come first I
> guess but I get over 100 dB isolation on 160 measured with VNA.
>
> Hank K7HP
>
>
>> I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX
>> antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me
>> nervous.
>>
>> I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices
>> with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to
>> worry about this?
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Features wanted

[Ken G Kopp]

Hi Greg 

The market already seems to be saturated with radios that appear to meet
your wants.

I sold an FT-990, an FT-1000D, plus an IC'756ProII shortly after my K-line
purchase and I've never regretted it.  Both were fine radios, but certainly
not equal to my K3.

As someone recently posted ... chrome plate it ... it'll perform better.
;-)

73!

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[Elecraft] Features wanted

[Greg]

In an earlier comment Wayne said that Elecraft takes comments made on this
reflector into consideration for future improvement.  I have two K3's and
don't really have any negative comments but I do have some things that I
would like to see improved -- or perhaps a better word would be "different"
in the next Elecraft radio.  While I recognize that the K3 was designed to
be compact, light, and efficient for portability, I would like to see a
version that is designed with style in mind.  I would pay more for better
"finish".  I used a FT1000D for many years before switching to the K3.
Performance-wise the K3 is superior...and performance is the primary
criteria for me in choosing a radio.  However, with respect to "finish", the
Yaesu radio is superior.  It "looks" and feels more expensive.  Not everyone
wants or needs a radio that is designed to be portable (and most active hams
have more than one radio anyway).  I'd like to see K3 performance come in a
sleeker design...If you spin the tuning knob on the Yaesu, it is smooth and
coasts along on ball bearings...the feel of the knobs and switches is
better.  A larger cabinet would allow bandswitch buttons labeled as such and
a larger cabinet would give more working space on the rear.  (With the
preamp, KPA500, KAT500, RTTY, external keyer, etc, the back on the K3
becomes a real kluge.)  A radio designed to be more "fixed station" could
also have the power supply built in and perhaps even have 150 - 200 watt
capability.  The P3 could be built in as well.  The display on an IC7800 is
really nice (in my opinion)...Elecraft could do something of similar
quality.  

I'm not suggesting that the K3 or K3S be "deleted" from the product line --
just an alternate packaging solution that would compete more favorably with
the Japanese look and feel.  I'd gladly pay significantly more for a radio
with K3 performance and IC7800 look and feel... and based on comments I have
heard from others, I think that Elecraft would find a market for it.  In
fact I know some  people who don't own a K3 because of the "look".  For some
price will always be the primary consideration.  For others, it is
secondary.  If Elecraft were to come out with a K3S "Deluxe" I would
probably own "both" radios...keeping the K3 for whatever portable
opportunity might present itself.  I do miss the "feel" of the FT1000D.

Also I would like to see the APF improved by allowing the peaking filter to
be "tuned" as it was on the FT1000D.  I almost always used the APF on the
Yaesu but end up turning it off when I try it on the K3.  I think the "peak"
is too narrow.

I realize I'm offering a lot of MY opinions here and not everyone will want
or agree with my suggestions...but it is what it is -- my wish list.  I'm
hoping that this subject does not start a lot of speculation on "what it
would cost" because that's not the point.  If Elecraft were to consider a
new design, they would have to determine the cost and its potential success
in the market.

Ohone more thing -- tongue firmly in cheek -- a larger cabinet would
look good next to that 1500 watt amplifier that Elecraft teased us with at
Dayton some years ago...

73, Greg-N4CC
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Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

[Lee Ormiston]

Ladies & Gentlemen, boys & girls;
As with everything else in life,
we can pay a premium price for premium quality oats,
we can pay a moderate price for medium quality oats, or
we can pay a lower price for second hand oats.

Personally, I am more interested in the rigs, accessories, other goodies,
and how to make all this work.

73 Lee N0RRL

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 11:22 PM, Richard W. Solomon 
wrote:

> The Service Department is being supported by someone, those Tech's
> Don't work for free.
>
> Pay me here or pay me there,
>
> TINSTAAFL
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Brown
> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2015 8:19 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S
>
> On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> > We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make
> > Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the
> > details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its own.
>
> I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec
> replaced
> an entire board and some individual components. I've had Elecraft
> troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in the 80s, I owned
> and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard way that their service
> department is a profit center. I do not believe that to be true of
> Elecraft.
> Last month, Elecraft did replace a major board in my KPA500 because they
> deemed it unrepairable. The bill was under $400.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] Developing Products, the Elecraft Way

[David Woolley]

On 05/08/15 16:21, Jerry Moore wrote:

My thoughts would be that all devices use the USB instead of RS232. By
design the USB is a BUS rather than a point to point protocol as is RS232.


In spite of its name, USB is not a bus.  At the physical level, it is 
most definitely point to point, and, unlike RS232 cannot be abused into 
a bus configuration.


It does have a network layer, although I think that only supports 
unicast.  RS232 is only a physical layer specification, and not a 
complete one.  Anyone using the internet before ADSL almost certainly 
was using RS232 as the first hop to a global network.


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[Elecraft] P3 TXMON New Install

[Steve Glickstein]

I just installed the P3 TXMON and all seems well.  Aside from the "9" 
digit anomaly, I notice with ver. 1.50 beta that when either Mkr A or 
Mkr B is displayed, and the envelope monitor is enabled, the marker ID 
and frequency are superimposed over the transmit envelope display.  My 
preference, if possible, would be to suppress the marker displays on 
transmit when the envelope monitor is enabled.


Thanks very much to everyone at Elecraft for a very useful addition to 
the P3.


73, Steve W4FMD
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Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

[Oliver Dröse]

Italian service center after checking with Elecraft (as shipping from 
Europe to Elecraft and back would cost half as much as a whole new 
KAT500 this is no option either, even if the replacement costs would 
have been considerably lower ... and Elecraft asks European customers to 
use the European service providers ... perfectly okay). But no worries, 
injurance paid it for the guy so no big loss after all for him. Just 
wanted to show that it always depends on what is defective. If you have 
several different PCBs in equipment it is certainly easier to just 
exchange single PCBs which will be cheaper as in Jim's example (or the 
K3 as another one). But it's not always that easy (as in my example) and 
might well have been the case with that Ten-Tec, too. One just has to 
put it into perspecitve ...


73, Olli

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Am 06.08.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Scott Manthe:
Who was going to charge you that, Oliver, Elecraft or one of the 
European service centers?


73,
Scott N9AA


On 8/6/15 2:02 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
Certainly depends on the board that needs to be replaced! We had a 
KAT500 fail recently (out of a sudden) with diagnosis CPU dead. Only 
cure would be to change the board, cost factor almost 600 EUR. A new 
KAT500 is about 680 EUR including shipping and import taxes ... no 
deal. :-(


73, Olli

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Am 06.08.2015 um 05:19 schrieb Jim Brown:

On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make 
Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the 
details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its 
own. 


I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec 
replaced an entire board and some individual components. I've had 
Elecraft troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in 
the 80s, I owned and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the 
hard way that their service department is a profit center. I do not 
believe that to be true of Elecraft. Last month, Elecraft did 
replace a major board in my KPA500 because they deemed it 
unrepairable. The bill was under $400.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

[Oliver Dröse]

Certainly depends on the board that needs to be replaced! We had a 
KAT500 fail recently (out of a sudden) with diagnosis CPU dead. Only 
cure would be to change the board, cost factor almost 600 EUR. A new 
KAT500 is about 680 EUR including shipping and import taxes ... no deal. :-(


73, Olli

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Am 06.08.2015 um 05:19 schrieb Jim Brown:

On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make 
Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the 
details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its own. 


I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec 
replaced an entire board and some individual components. I've had 
Elecraft troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in 
the 80s, I owned and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard 
way that their service department is a profit center. I do not believe 
that to be true of Elecraft. Last month, Elecraft did replace a major 
board in my KPA500 because they deemed it unrepairable. The bill was 
under $400.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

[Scott Manthe]

Who was going to charge you that, Oliver, Elecraft or one of the 
European service centers?


73,
Scott N9AA


On 8/6/15 2:02 PM, Oliver Dröse wrote:
Certainly depends on the board that needs to be replaced! We had a 
KAT500 fail recently (out of a sudden) with diagnosis CPU dead. Only 
cure would be to change the board, cost factor almost 600 EUR. A new 
KAT500 is about 680 EUR including shipping and import taxes ... no 
deal. :-(


73, Olli

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Am 06.08.2015 um 05:19 schrieb Jim Brown:

On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make 
Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the 
details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its 
own. 


I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec 
replaced an entire board and some individual components. I've had 
Elecraft troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in 
the 80s, I owned and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard 
way that their service department is a profit center. I do not 
believe that to be true of Elecraft. Last month, Elecraft did replace 
a major board in my KPA500 because they deemed it unrepairable. The 
bill was under $400.


73, Jim K9YC
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Re: [Elecraft] High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay QRQ CW

[ae4pb]

Re: High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay at high speeds with
K3/P3 (Jerry Moore)

Some thoughts and conjecture:
Dropped Characters:
At the default port speed of 38400 any errors in transmission could possibly
result in dropped data rather than a resend depending on error
handling..etc.. I've suggested to Marc to re-seat all physical connections
in the signal path. Lowering the port speed resulted in no dropped
characters. I don't have the gear to actually look at this but it could be
caused by something as simple as a bad cable, bent cable..etc.. serial data
is pretty simple but doesn't take much to trip it at high data rates. That's
why there's usually some error detection/correction going on with some
applications.

Delay: 
My thoughts on this are that the P3 is probably polling the radio for status
and the K3 interrupts the TX data stream to send status,
frequency..etc...The P3 buffers the sending data until the polling cycle
completes and goes back to sending.

Without a lot more information and gear all of my ramblings are little more
that guesses. The Delay could perhaps be affected by prioritizing the
traffic, knowing how long a polling cycle takes, and maybe splitting the
polling cycle in to smaller, more often sent, bits, rather than a chunk
stream. Of course this only currently affects communications where a
keyboard is sending high speed characters/CW to the P3 to be sent via the
K3. The port speed should support those rates easily but HOW the
conversation takes place may need to be tweaked a bit.

Fixes for the Dropped Characters may be as easy to fix with a new cable or a
shorter one.

Just thinking out loud here. I enjoy helping solve technical issues.

Jer / AE4PB 


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Re: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection

[Hank P]

The external reed relay /miniature relays are OK  IF they are keyed by the 
key line  AND the RF is delayed a few ms from key line down.(K3 does this) 
The diode limiter circuits like the AS and others like that don’t have this 
limitation.


BUT I would be interested in the OFFICIAL Elecraft position on their COR

What bothers me about it is that if the internal relay is clicking , it has 
to already have seen enough RF to be considered potentially damaging in 
order for the K3 to decide the relay needs  to be actuated . So the barn 
door is closed after the RF has been applied for an unknown  period but 
surely a couple milliseconds.


I am a belt and suspenders  type guy especially with expensive equipment - 
and my feeling is that the K3 COR is telling me to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT 
NOW. I would never continue to operate with it actuating. I treat it as a 
nice warning thing Mr. Elecraft has given me, not something to be used 
continuously.


I made my own RX ant protector with a  little DPDT miniature relay  that has 
gold plated contacts . It is wired so the rx ant line is opened and also the 
K3 rx input is shorted. One could argue which should come first I guess but 
I get over 100 dB isolation on 160 measured with VNA.


Hank K7HP



I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX 
antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me 
nervous.


I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices 
with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to 
worry about this?




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[Elecraft] Rec antenna protection

[James Wilson]

 Chris

Back in "the olden days", a small SERIES TUNED
circuit across the receiver input tuned to your
5, 12 and 13 MHz problem stations was quite
effective. It presents a low impedance path to
ground for the unwanted signal.

Jim - W4RKS
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Re: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection

[Chris Hallinan]

I''ve been somewhat frustrated with the same issue.  I purchased the Array
Solutions (AS)  Front End Protector, as you mention.  When I first
connected it, I was treated with terrible noise and images all over the 20
meter and 40 meter bands.  I returned the unit to AS, and they tested it
and found no problems.  After further investigation, I discovered that the
RXFEP was being overloaded by broadcast signals, both from the US
Commercial AM broadcast band (550 to 1600KHz) as well as very strong
signals from some short wave broadcasters. These short wave stations are on
5 MHz and believe it or not, even one station in Alabama transmitting on
13.830, which pegs my K3's S-meter at +60dB over S9 at certain times of the
day depending on conditions and the orientation of my RX loop.  All of
these together overload the RXFEP.  Putting my antenna into a scope input,
I can see more than 2 volts p-p during the day, and up to 5 volts p-p at
night!!!  If I did my calculations right, that's around +18 dBm!

So then I purchased the receive-only broadcast filter from AS, and that
improved my situation 95%.  Now I need to eliminate the energy from the
other 5, 12 and 13 MHz broadcasters.

Even with the RXFEP installed, I still have COR clicking on 40 meters,
likely due to the proximity of my Rx Loop to my 40-meter vertical.  I HATE
relay clicks, and LOVE the fact that the K3 is such a great CW rig with
silent TR switching.  But...the only solution so far I've found is to
connect the K3 key out jack to the power tap from my Inlogis Rx Loop.
Unfortunately, that is a relay, and gives me audible clicks when I send CW.

I am in the process of further investigation/testing, and I'm going to try
some bandbass filters to see if I can alleviate the overloading issue.  But
I might also be forced to relocate my loop or vertical to eliminate the
need to use a relay in the rx antenna circuit.

I would appreciate hearing about other's experiences.

73,

Chris
K1AY

disclaimer: I don't mean to bash Array Solutions.  I think the AS-RXFEP is
a great product, and AS has other great products.  Best money I ever spent
in amateur radio was my recent purchase of the AS AIM4300.

On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Nr4c  wrote:

> I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX
> antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me
> nervous.
>
> I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices
> with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to
> worry about this?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection

[Ken G Kopp]

Bill,

DX Engineering and Array Solutions both have protection devicees.

73!

Ken - K0PP
On Aug 6, 2015 10:43 AM, "Nr4c"  wrote:

> I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX
> antenna. As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me
> nervous.
>
> I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices
> with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to
> worry about this?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Rec antenna protection

[James Bennett]

Bill,

I use that AS-RXFEP device and am 100% satisfied with it. I have run 550 watts 
from my K-line system, through 110 feet of 600-ohm ladder line feeder to an 88 
foot long doublet at 45 feet. My diversity receive antenna is a ground mounted 
Hustler 5BTV (with radials) that is only 25 feet from the doublet. The COR 
clicking is a thing of the past for me. I also installed an MFJ dual-position 
coax switch in that line so that I could transmit (bare foot) into the Hustler, 
if so desired. The switch allows me to bypass the RXFEP when I transmit into 
the vertical. Anyway, I think you'll be quite satisfied with that Array 
Solutions device.

73, Jim

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:40 AM, Nr4c  wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX antenna. 
> As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me nervous. 
> 
> I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices 
> with reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to worry 
> about this?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
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[Elecraft] High Speed CW issue with dropped characters/delay at high speeds with K3/p3

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[Elecraft] Rec antenna protection

[Nr4c]

I'm looking for a device to protect my K3S front end when using a RX antenna. 
As I key my rig I can hear the COR clicking and it's making me nervous. 

I have seen the AS-RXFEP review by W1ZR in QST.  I have also seen devices with 
reed relays on the web. What are you using or am I just foolish to worry about 
this?


Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill

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[Elecraft] Wanted: P3SVGA

[Joe Word]

Want to purchase a Elecraft P3SVGA P3 Video Adapter. Please state condition
and priced shipped to Indiana. Respond to:
n9vx dot joe at gmail dot com

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Re: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3

[Ken G Kopp]

Mis-adjusted carrier null?  PS hum?

73

Ken - K0PP
On Aug 5, 2015 9:42 PM, "Gerard Elijzen"  wrote:

>
>
>
> I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on
> my PX3.
>
> Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
>
> Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for
> that.
>
> Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never
> seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3

[Fred C. Jensen]

Probably sidebands from stray modulation. Distance from "carrier" to one is the 
freq of the modulating signal. I've very occasionally heard what sounds like 
intentional MCW, you have to widen your filters to hear it but you can see it 
on a P(X)3.

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV

Gerard Elijzen  wrote:
>
>
>
>I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on my 
>PX3.
>
>Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
>
>Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.
>
>Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never 
>seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
>
>Gerard VK2JNG
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise reduction ?

[Phil Wheeler]

Bob,

You must not listen to 20 SSB much if you consider 
hams to be fine communicators :-)


As for LMS, a local suggested Limited Mental 
Stability, but I think that has to be op-provided, 
not by any rig!


73, Phil W7OX

On 8/6/15 7:03 AM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
For those that choose to use acronyms in their 
writing or communication, it is usually deemed 
proper to identify the details or translation at 
the first use of the acronym in any piece.  The 
acronym will then be most likely understood 
during the reading of the remainder of the piece.


After allwe are supposed to be 
"communicators" aren't we? Just sayin'.



73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/6/2015 8:00 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote:
The simple explanation: LSM stands for "Least 
Mean Square".  It's a
mathematical algorithm used in digital signal 
processing to implement a
specific type of filter.  If you really want 
the gory details, see here:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_mean_squares_filter 



Of course, this doesn't explain how one would 
select that algorithm within
the K3, as I found no such indication in either 
the DSP or IF noise blanker

selections.  Maybe it's unique to the K3S?  Dunno.

-Chris


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[Elecraft] Availability

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

Several have inquired of me by e-mail and other means asking; "when do 
you expect your new radio?".


In speaking with Elecraft this morning, the order was placed on July 2 
for a K3S-F and accessories, they indicate the radio is in assembly and 
should ship in the next 2 to 3 days, 5 days at the latest.   I figure 
that's about 6 weeks from time of order.


So now you know.
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Re: [Elecraft] Which keyboard for P3/SVGA?

[Hisashi T Fujinaka]

My CM Storm QuickFire Rapid did NOT work.

On Thu, 6 Aug 2015, Phil Anderson wrote:


Hi Paul,

When I do that I'm using a Dell keyboard (KB212-B) that came with a desktop. 
Most Dell keyboards look the same with a USB cable.


Good luck and 73, Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS

PS: Love my K3 with SUB x running diversity with vertical and beverage on 20 
meters. Even running some TX on the beverage! (40% of the energy is lost in 
the 450 ohm beverage terminator at the far end so terminated that with 16, 
6.7K 2-watt resistors in parallel. Making several DX contacts TX on the 
beverage too. Weird but fun.



Paul Saffren N6HZ 
Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:48 AM
I want to add a short list of recommended keyboards to our P3/SVGA order 
page

to help future customers select a suitable keyboard. If you're using a
keyboard with your P3/SVGA, please post a reply and tell us what model
number it is, price you paid, etc.


Thanks and kind regards,

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Re: [Elecraft] Which keyboard for P3/SVGA?

[Phil Anderson]

Hi Paul,

When I do that I'm using a Dell keyboard (KB212-B) that came with a 
desktop. Most Dell keyboards look the same with a USB cable.


Good luck and 73, Phil, W0XI, Lawrence, KS

PS: Love my K3 with SUB x running diversity with vertical and beverage 
on 20 meters. Even running some TX on the beverage! (40% of the energy 
is lost in the 450 ohm beverage terminator at the far end so terminated 
that with 16, 6.7K 2-watt resistors in parallel. Making several DX 
contacts TX on the beverage too. Weird but fun.



Paul Saffren N6HZ 
Wednesday, August 05, 2015 11:48 AM
I want to add a short list of recommended keyboards to our P3/SVGA 
order page

to help future customers select a suitable keyboard. If you're using a
keyboard with your P3/SVGA, please post a reply and tell us what model
number it is, price you paid, etc.


Thanks and kind regards,

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[Elecraft] Two PR6 for sale

[Dick Hanson]

Hello.

 

I have two of the above, with power cables, dual BNC connectors and manuals
no longer needed due to new board(s) in K3.

$70 via USPS CONUS.

 

Thanks,

73

 

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[Elecraft] pr6s for sale

[Dick Hanson]

That was $70 each.

Sorry for miscue.

 

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise reduction ?

[Bob McGraw - K4TAX]

For those that choose to use acronyms in their writing or communication, 
it is usually deemed proper to identify the details or translation at 
the first use of the acronym in any piece.  The acronym will then be 
most likely understood during the reading of the remainder of the piece.


After allwe are supposed to be "communicators" aren't we? Just 
sayin'.



73 Bob, K4TAX


On 8/6/2015 8:00 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote:

The simple explanation: LSM stands for "Least Mean Square".  It's a
mathematical algorithm used in digital signal processing to implement a
specific type of filter.  If you really want the gory details, see here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_mean_squares_filter

Of course, this doesn't explain how one would select that algorithm within
the K3, as I found no such indication in either the DSP or IF noise blanker
selections.  Maybe it's unique to the K3S?  Dunno.

-Chris




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Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

[Richard Fjeld]

On 8/5/2015 10:19 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On Wed,8/5/2015 5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
We really don't need to bash other companies in an effort to make 
Elecraft look good by comparison - especially without knowing the 
details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft stands on its own. 


I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing" anyone. TenTec 
replaced an entire board and some individual components. I've had 
Elecraft troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in 
the 80s, I owned and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard 
way that their service department is a profit center. I do not believe 
that to be true of Elecraft. Last month, Elecraft did replace a major 
board in my KPA500 because they deemed it unrepairable. The bill was 
under $400.


73, Jim K9YC



I have had several Ten Tec transceivers and liked them for their full 
break-in. They were the first solid state radios that I remember.
I was content using my Omni, but I wanted a new radio for my last sun 
cycle.


I had trouble deciding between another Ten Tec, or Elecraft.  So, I made 
a phone call to both customer service departments and asked some questions.

It was because of those phone calls that I bought a K3.

Dick, n0ce

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Does the K3S DSP support LMS noise reduction ?

[Chris Hallinan]

The simple explanation: LSM stands for "Least Mean Square".  It's a
mathematical algorithm used in digital signal processing to implement a
specific type of filter.  If you really want the gory details, see here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Least_mean_squares_filter

Of course, this doesn't explain how one would select that algorithm within
the K3, as I found no such indication in either the DSP or IF noise blanker
selections.  Maybe it's unique to the K3S?  Dunno.

-Chris

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Fred C. Jensen  wrote:

> What is LMS Noise Reduction? I retired when my brain became filled to
> capacity with acronyms. Any new ones just overflow to the drain. :-)
>
> Fred K6DGW
> Sparks NV
>
> Lyle Johnson  wrote:
> >Yes, identical to the K3.
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> >Lyle KK7P
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> >> I don't see LMS listed. Does it support that?
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[Elecraft] K2/100 for sale

[kg9hfr...@gmail.com]

Folks, I finally have the combination on a K2 that I want to keep and I will be 
selling my K2/100/SSB/NB/160 meter set-up.
Recently tuned up.

Paperwork included.
Contact me off list Frank KG9H

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Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

[Bob N3MNT]

The compelling "got-to-have" picture on the home page.  



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Re: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3

[Bob N3MNT]

Check both  I/Q plugs to insure they are all the way in.  I have seen this
when the plugs are not completely plugged in.  Push and rotate each plug for
a good connection..



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Re: [Elecraft] TX Audio

[Marco HB9CAT]

Keith,

May be obvious, but make sure MENU::MIC SEL is set To Line In, and as Lyle is 
saying nothing shall be plugged into the rear Line In port.
On the PC, select "Speakers (USB Audio Codec)"

73
Marco HB9CAT

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Sent: mercoledì, 5. agosto 2015 23:21
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Subject: [Elecraft] TX Audio

To all the new K3S owners,
I need a little help with an issue I am having with my K3S so I thought I would 
ask for some input. 
The issue is with audio being sent from the PC to radio thru the USB cable. 
Simply put, I have non. Receive audio going back to the PC from the radio is 
fine. The S meter on HRD sees signals just fine. I can decode CW , PSK , and 
RTTY fine also.
I just can’t transmit any audio. By the way CW sends great, no problem with 
that.
Doesn’t matter what the source is. Could be a digital program or a logging 
program or a contesting program.
I tried DVK files (wav.files) even  recorded music but nothing.

It appears that Windows is doing it’s job here. You can see the audio being 
played on the little meters in the playback devices window.
But nothing at the radio.
I have tried this on 3 different computers with the same results. With 
different OS. Win.7, Win.8.1.
USB drivers seem to load fine when I connect the radio.
I checked all the menu settings.

Just don’t know where to go from here.
Am I missing something? 

Any suggestions would be appreciated 

Keith Robinson
W4KTR

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Re: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3

[brian]

I've heard some South American stations using modulated CW (tone 
modulated USB).This invariably produces sidebands.


If other signals don't show it, then it is possible you caught one of 
those guys.


73 de Brian/K3KO

On 8/6/2015 11:47 AM, Myron Cherry wrote:

My P3 does that when the NB is on and the level is too high.
  
Myron


  


On 8/5/2015 11:41 PM, Gerard Elijzen wrote:


I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on my 
PX3.

Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.

Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.

Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never seen 
this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.


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Re: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3

[Myron Cherry]

My P3 does that when the NB is on and the level is too high.
 
Myron

 

> 
> On 8/5/2015 11:41 PM, Gerard Elijzen wrote:
> >
> >
> > I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on 
> > my PX3.
> >
> > Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.
> >
> > Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.
> >
> > Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never 
> > seen this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] CW reception with 3 peaks on PX3

[Don Wilhelm]

Gerald,

If you only saw it on one CW signal, I would suggest there is something 
wrong with his transmission.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/5/2015 11:41 PM, Gerard Elijzen wrote:



I was in contact with a CW station recently and his signal had 3 peaks on my 
PX3.

Can anyone explain. The other station was using an ICOM 7410.

Submitted this also on the KX3 Yahoo forum and had 1 reply. Thanks for that.

Thought I might post it here in the hope to get an explanation. Have never seen 
this before and it does not happen on other CW stations.



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Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

[Sfbonk via Elecraft]

 Had my first exposure with Elecraft service walking through a problem which 
led to a bad low power amp (LPA) output transistor along with repair & upgrade 
parts and prices. OUTSTANDING!

W3OU Steve

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Richard W. Solomon 
To: elecraft 
Sent: Thu, Aug 6, 2015 1:27 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S


The Service Department is being supported by someone, those Tech's 
Don't work
for free. 

Pay me here or pay me there,

TINSTAAFL

73, Dick,
W1KSZ

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Brown
Sent:
Wednesday, August 05, 2015 8:19 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re:
[Elecraft] My Number one reason for wanting to buy the K3S

On Wed,8/5/2015
5:47 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
> We really don't need to bash other
companies in an effort to make 
> Elecraft look good by comparison - especially
without knowing the 
> details of the billing used for comparison.  Elecraft
stands on its own.

I made the original comment, and I was not "bashing"
anyone. TenTec replaced
an entire board and some individual components. I've
had Elecraft
troubleshoot boards rather than replace them. Beginning in the
80s, I owned
and liked Ten Tec transceivers, but learned the hard way that
their service
department is a profit center. I do not believe that to be true
of Elecraft.
Last month, Elecraft did replace a major board in my KPA500
because they
deemed it unrepairable. The bill was under $400.

73, Jim
K9YC
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