[Elecraft] REF: KX3 Unstable SWR Reading

2014-03-31 Thread maxwelltl

I am seeing a similar concern with my KX3/KXPA100 home station.  The KXPA100 
ATU tunes it right down to 1.1-1.2.  Then when I start transmitting it jumps up 
between 2 and 3.  This doesn't happen all of the time nor on all bands.  I have 
worked with Dick and he has put a lot of effort into my concern, much of it off 
hours by the way.  Great service and great concern demonstrated by Dick.  Try 
to get a response from the big three at all-let alone on weekends. We ran 
traces on the tuning process and it shows a good tune right down to where it 
needs to be.  However, the SWR then jumps up when I go to full power.  I am not 
sure it is a real problem as the power meter shows I am getting out OK.  But it 
is concerning to be transmitting 100 watts and seeing the SWR jump up to 3 
after it has tuned down to 1.2.  I don't believe it is in my antenna because I 
put an LDG tuner in the line and it tunes solid and stays there.  I know gut 
feel isn't very scientific but I think there could be
  an issue with the SWR circuitry.  At lower tuning powers it senses SWR OK, 
but with higher power levels it doesn't. It may well be that my SWR is varying 
and maybe the sensing circuits in the KXPA100 are just more sensitive than the 
LDG circuits, I don't know.  All we really know at this point is that the 
traces look really good, the ATU takes the reported SWR down to more than 
acceptable values even when the antenna SWR is above 10.  I may try putting a 
variable dummy load on it to see if I can duplicate the problem into a known 
stable load.  Keep in mind that this is more of a nuisance item to me and I 
love the KX3/KXPA100 combination. 10m was wide open this weekend and I worked 
Japan, New Zealand, Hawaii, and China with a very minimal horizontal loop at 15 
feet.  I know this is anecdotal but I believe the low noise receiver and 
filtering made it possible. Good stuff!   


Tom/AE5QB  
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[Elecraft] KXPA ATU Operation

2014-03-20 Thread maxwelltl
I think I am having some issues with my KXPA 100, possibly the ATU.  Could 
someone please verify or refute these findings? Here is what I am seeing:


1) 25W and SWR LEDs linger on for 1.5 to 2 seconds after key up. They just stay 
on, then fade, flicker, and finally go out.


2) The ATU seems to tune about .1 to .2 SWR units below the KX3 ATU.  It 
doesn't seem to be as fast either and struggles more to get a good match.


3) The AMP switches out during a tuning cycle. I am seeing about a 1.5 second 
delay in switching the amp back in after tuning.  If I tune and then 
immediately transmit, I sometimes get caught transmitting at the tuning power 
level with the amp switched out.  There is a distinct click when the amp 
switches back in.  Perhaps a relay is hanging up.


4) I am seeing instances in which the amp will tune with an SWR of 1.2 and if I 
operate at low powers the LEDs on the amp indicate this low SWR.  However, when 
I turn the power up to 30+ watts, I am getting erratic SWR indications in the 
2-3 range on the amp LEDS.  The display on the KX3 still shows 1.2 but the LEDs 
and the KXPA100 utility show the higher SWR as the last SWR.  The power out 
seems to fluctuate with the higher SWR indications also.  It is like the ATU is 
dropping tune at higher powers.


I am wondering if maybe I have some RF getting into the control cables.


Tom/AE5QB
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[Elecraft] REF: KXPA100 SN 707 Total Frustration with this Amp

2014-03-09 Thread maxwelltl
Hey Rich, 


Problems like these can be very frustrating.  Not lecturing to you, but take a 
deep breath.  You will get it going.  I know the tendency is to throw the baby 
out with the dirty diaper (or however that saying goes) but from my experience 
and what I am reading we have a very good amp in the KXPA100.  I started my 
career in electronics 42 years ago and 9 times out of 10 the reason for a 
problem is really quite obvious - once it is fixed that is. :)




I don't see where the schematic and firmware is available for the KXPA100.  It 
may be, I just don't see it.  But lets do some logical troubleshooting.  First, 
the front plate and the nut have nothing to do with the operational problem.  
Granted, it shouldn't have happened but it did.  Elecraft made good on it so 
that one is no reason to be talking about returning the amp.  The two are 
simply not connected.  I will say that I had parts problems with mine also - 
not Elecraft's but my bone-headed failure to read the Eratta.  I twisted off a 
standoff lug.  Elecraft sent me a new one.  And guess what, I wasn't really 
short lock washers either, I just didn't read the part that said I didn't need 
them under the standoffs.  Duh!  So it sounds like your parts situation is OK 
now.


So, the KX3 seems to work fine going around the amp.  That tells me your 
problem is definitely in the amp.  OK you knew that.  But there is no need to 
be changing out the tuner and what not.  The problem is in the KXPA100.  I buy 
that.  It appears the KX3 is talking to the KXPA100 just fine.  It recognized 
it and adjusted itself for proper power etc.  That is an RS232 serial interface 
so there isn't much that can go wrong with it.  All of the data goes down 1 
wire.  Unless it intermittently and randomly just starts switching or tuning or 
changing something, I wouldn't suspect the RS232 link.  It should either work 
(as it appears to be doing) or it doesn't. So there is no need to mess with 
that interface. 


The SWR of 99.9 is probably not so puzzling when you think about it.  What 
would happen if you didn't have any antenna connected?  Or if the antenna 
connector or cabling were shorted?  In theory, the SWR would be infinite.  But 
I suspect the firmware in the amp can't handle infinite SWR too well.  So I am 
guessing that when SWR goes over a particular limit it just says, "The SWR is 
too freekin high.  I am just going to display 99.9 to tell the user it is way 
out of wack."  I suspect that what is happening is that your antenna is not 
really connected to the radio when you think it should be.  If your amp is 
seeing an open antenna line when it tries to transmit, you should see what you 
are getting.  Now stick with me.  The fact that you are seeing some weird 
switching indications between ANT1, ANT2, and Bypass, tells me that you may 
have your coax connectors inside the amp connected to the wrong receptacles on 
the board.  I don't know how that would effect the LED lights and su
 ch, but it could sure mess up operations.  Ask me how I know?  When I first 
powered mine up, I noticed the KX3 was very very quiet.  More so than it should 
be.  So I started playing around and discovered that when I connected my 
antenna to the ANT2 connector I got an increase in noise.  HMMM!  Switch to 
Antenna 2 on the KX3 and the noise drops to nothing.  Move the antenna cable 
over to the ANT1 connector and it comes back.  I had crossed the ANT1 and ANT2 
connectors when I plugged them into the board.


Now in your situation, you may have something similar.  I don't know what the 
switching circuits and relays all look like in there, but it appears that your 
problem could be similar.  There is one symptom you mentioned that I can't 
answer.  You said you were getting 30 or 40 watts out of the big amp instead of 
300-400.  I don't understand that.  If the RF drive is not going into the amp, 
I would say you should get zero output.  Maybe there is something going on 
there with keying the amp with no drive that would cause some strange meter 
readings.  Or maybe the coax cable in your KXPA100 is partially open or shorted.


Anyway, I would open up the KXPA100 and double check those connectors to be 
sure they are plugged into the appropriate sockets.  You could also get an 
infinite SWR if a cable were almost fully shorted.  Check for that also.  Also 
check to make sure you didn't flex the cables so much that one broke off the 
back of the SO239 connector.   Finally, double check to make sure that when you 
plugged in the tuner board you didn't bend or miss a pin in one of the 
connectors.  Just triple check, I know you have double checked.  Then hook up 
your antenna again to the KXPA100 (the big amp isn't needed for this 
troubleshooting) and use the listen test I mentioned earlier.  You should be 
able to tell pretty quickly if you have a good path between the antenna and the 
radio through the KXPA100.  You should then be able to switch antennas and tell 
th