Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Advice needed from audio grounding experts

2009-08-16 Thread Dave, G4AON
Paul, I think you are looking at the wrong side of the transformer, on 
the circuit diagram the right hand side connects to the rear panel 
sockets via J91 and is floating with respect to DC ground.

73 Dave, G4AON

 According to the schematics one end of the K3 line out isolation 
transformer
 is DC grounded and the line in transformer is DC floating (just to be 
clear
 I am talking about the windings for external connection).
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Advice needed from audio grounding experts

2009-08-16 Thread Paul Fletcher



Dave G4AON wrote:
 
 Paul, I think you are looking at the wrong side of the transformer, on 
 the circuit diagram the right hand side connects to the rear panel 
 sockets via J91 and is floating with respect to DC ground.
 

Doh.

You are quite correct. Thanks for pointing this out Dave. Makes things much
simpler.

Cheers,
Paul.
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Advice needed from audio grounding experts

2009-08-16 Thread David Woolley
Paul Fletcher wrote:
 
 
 Dave G4AON wrote:
 Paul, I think you are looking at the wrong side of the transformer, on 
 the circuit diagram the right hand side connects to the rear panel 
 sockets via J91 and is floating with respect to DC ground.

Doh.
 
 You are quite correct. Thanks for pointing this out Dave. Makes things much
 simpler.

Note that this list's real expert on audio grounding would claim that 
the inclusion of the transformers is a design flaw, and the the real 
solution is good ground bonding and the use of twisted pair cables. 
Ideally these should have balanced drivers and receiver, but, if I 
understand him correctly, even unbalanced they help.

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[Elecraft] [K3]Advice needed from audio grounding experts

2009-08-15 Thread Paul Fletcher

Hi all,

I am making up a cable set to connect a Pactor modem to the K3 and wish to
avoid ground loops. The connections to the radio are:

PTT
Power (from the 12v out connector on the back of the K3)
Line in
Line out

According to the schematics one end of the K3 line out isolation transformer
is DC grounded and the line in transformer is DC floating (just to be clear
I am talking about the windings for external connection).

The modem only has 1 ground connection.

I obviously need to connect audio out and ground from the modem to the line
in on the K3 and this will not provide DC ground. My current thinking is
that I connect the modem ground to the 12V ground on the K3 accessory socket
to provide the DC ground. Shielded cables would be used for PTT and the
connection to the K3 line out with the shield disconnected at the K3 end.

Is this the best approach?

Regards,
Paul M1PAF
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Re: [Elecraft] [K3]Advice needed from audio grounding experts

2009-08-15 Thread Dave G4AON
Hello Paul

I took the pre-wired cable that came with my PTC-IIex and terminated the
cable in a plastic project box, I connected all 4 of the braid of the
screened leads to/from the K3 to the braid of the cable to the SCS
modem. The white wire (pin 2 of the DIN plug) on the cable from the
modem also connects to the braid at that common point.

You might at some stage consider making a switch box to avoid needing to
keep swapping those audio plugs when using sound card modes, a cheap 4
pole 3 way rotary switch works well, just needs a few sockets on the
rear panel of a small box and you're in business. It saves wear and tear
on the rear sockets of the K3.

73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100, SCS PTC-IIex
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I am making up a cable set to connect a Pactor modem to the K3 and wish to
avoid ground loops. The connections to the radio are:


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