Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread Phil Kane 
On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote:

> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or 
> portable operation. 

As others have pointed out, from a regulatory standpoint this is a moot
point as far as US amateurs are concerned.  The Rules have not required
such identification for many years now.  What you add  voluntarily is
your business unless the identifier after the US call sign conflicts
with another Administration's call sign block - the one exception is US
hams operating in Canada where the Canadian VE goes after the US call
sign rather than before.   Someday someone is going to get after those
repeater operators who add "/R" (Russia's block) after their repeater CW
ID - /RPT is OK, though

I like to say  "K2ASP on the move" when I pull out of my parking space.
  :)

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
ARRL Volunteer Counsel

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread Bill Frantz 
My reading of the DXCC regs is that no contacts from a boat 
count for DXCC, even if the boat is in a harbor, tied to a dock, 
or floating on a lake entirely within the DXCC. So the snarky 
question is, does putting an antenna on a stand on the dock make 
it a portable operation the way an antenna on a stand would move 
a mobile operation to portable? Does it then count for DXCC?


73 Bill AE6JV

On 9/7/16 at 2:14 PM, ghyoung...@gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) wrote:


Which begs the question — are you still “MM" if your boat is tied up to a pier?


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread w4grj 

Agree you're marine mobile unless you're on high seas outside territorial 
Waters and then your Maritime MobileW4GRJMarine Mobile


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 Original message From: Michael Blake <k9...@mac.com> Date: 
9/7/16  17:37  (GMT-05:00) To: GRANT YOUNGMAN <ghyoung...@gmail.com> Cc: 
Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] 
Mobile/Portable gray zone 
You never were.  MM only applied if you were on the “high seas”.

Michael Blake
k9...@mac.com <mailto:k9...@icloud.com>






> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:14 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN <ghyoung...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality.  If forced to choose, I’d 
> probably sign mobile if I  were using my mobile rig and mobile ant, moving or 
> parked.  If I were using my car to hold up a mast and a beam on a grassy spot 
> — portable.
> 
> Which begs the question — are you still “MM" if your boat is tied up to a 
> pier?  
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n...@triconet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> No suffix would be just fine.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote:
>>> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or 
>>> portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I 
>>> am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am 
>>> still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or 
>>> near the car am I then portable?  Just making sure I use the right suffix 
>>> for the right situation! Thanks!
>>> _
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread Alan. G4GNX 
I don't know about other countries but in the UK we have (or at least had) a 
"MA" suffix, which stands for Maritime Anchored.


73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: Fred Jensen

Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 10:46 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

Technically, you are MM only when in international waters and very few
docks are found in international waters [maybe drilling platforms?].

73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV
Washoe County DM09dn

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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread Jim Brown 

On Wed,9/7/2016 2:08 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
I am no expert on this, but my gut tells me that if you simply pull 
over and operate, you are still mobile. When you pull over and put up 
a mast, then you would be portable.


Exactly right. The generally accepted definition of mobile is "capable 
of operation in motion, including all components of the station." When 
you park and set up a antenna or generator that cannot operate in 
motion, you're portable. This definition, or something quite close to 
it, is written into the rules of contests where mobiles are a class of 
operation.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread Alan. G4GNX 


This is fairly easy and appears to (mostly) have world wide agreement.

If you are operating from a vehicle, whether it's moving or stationary and 
transmission equipment is contained on or in the vehicle, in other words 
it's capable of being moved without alteration, then you are mobile. This 
applies even if you were outside the vehicle with the microphone cable 
trailing out the window.


The moment you attach anything to the transmission equipment that is outside 
the vehicle, whether supported by it or not, thus preventing the vehicle 
from being moved without detachment, then you are portable.


Something also often used is "static mobile". This suffix does not exist and 
IMO sounds rather silly.


73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: rick jones via Elecraft

Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2016 9:40 PM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or 
portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I 
am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am 
still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or 
near the car am I then portable?  Just making sure I use the right suffix 
for the right situation! Thanks! 


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread Fred Jensen 

On 9/7/2016 2:14 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:

The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality.  If forced to
choose, I’d probably sign mobile if I  were using my mobile rig and
mobile ant, moving or parked.  If I were using my car to hold up a
mast and a beam on a grassy spot — portable.


If you're on CW and you sign NQ5T/M, you are non-compliant with 47CFR97. 
 Self-assigned indicators cannot duplicate ITU-assigned prefixes and 
all the M's belong to HM Queen Elizabeth [or somesuch].


Which begs the question — are you still “MM" if your boat is tied up
to a pier?


Technically, you are MM only when in international waters and very few 
docks are found in international waters [maybe drilling platforms?].


73,

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV
Washoe County DM09dn
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread Michael Blake 
You never were.  MM only applied if you were on the “high seas”.

Michael Blake
k9...@mac.com 






> On Sep 7, 2016, at 5:14 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN  wrote:
> 
> The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality.  If forced to choose, I’d 
> probably sign mobile if I  were using my mobile rig and mobile ant, moving or 
> parked.  If I were using my car to hold up a mast and a beam on a grassy spot 
> — portable.
> 
> Which begs the question — are you still “MM" if your boat is tied up to a 
> pier?  
> 
> :-)
> 
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
> 
> 
>> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
>> 
>> No suffix would be just fine.
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote:
>>> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or 
>>> portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I 
>>> am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am 
>>> still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or 
>>> near the car am I then portable?  Just making sure I use the right suffix 
>>> for the right situation! Thanks!
>>> _
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread GRANT YOUNGMAN 
The FeeCee no longer cares about this technicality.  If forced to choose, I’d 
probably sign mobile if I  were using my mobile rig and mobile ant, moving or 
parked.  If I were using my car to hold up a mast and a beam on a grassy spot — 
portable.

Which begs the question — are you still “MM" if your boat is tied up to a pier? 
 

:-)


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342


> On Sep 7, 2016, at 4:59 PM, Wes Stewart  wrote:
> 
> No suffix would be just fine.
> 
> 
> On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote:
>> This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or 
>> portable operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I 
>> am obviously mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am 
>> still mobile? If I set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or 
>> near the car am I then portable?  Just making sure I use the right suffix 
>> for the right situation! Thanks!
>>  _
> 
> __
> 


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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread Don Wilhelm 

Rick,

I am no expert on this, but my gut tells me that if you simply pull over 
and operate, you are still mobile.

When you pull over and put up a mast, then you would be portable.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/7/2016 4:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote:

This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable 
operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously 
mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I 
set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then 
portable?  Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! 
Thanks!



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Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread Wes Stewart 

No suffix would be just fine.


On 9/7/2016 1:40 PM, rick jones via Elecraft wrote:

This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable 
operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously 
mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I 
set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then 
portable?  Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! 
Thanks!
  
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[Elecraft] [OT] Mobile/Portable gray zone

2016-09-07 Thread rick jones via Elecraft 
This is a very simple question concerning what is considered mobile or portable 
operation. If I am driving my car and communicating on any band I am obviously 
mobile. If I pull over and operate with my mobile setup I am still mobile? If I 
set up a temporary mast that is supported by the car or near the car am I then 
portable?  Just making sure I use the right suffix for the right situation! 
Thanks!
 
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