Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Ethic, Esthetic and Experience
L. T. Stem wrote: A very fair and true statement. Although there is a large something left out. Some 7,000 strong ops who are K2 owners should be included as well. A good point - I should have mentioned the important segment of K3 owners who particularly want *their* K3 to be a next-generation K2. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft - Ethic, Esthetic and Experience
I'd like to offer that my favored types of operation do not fit what are seemingly the foci of many of the participants that seem to constitute the Elecraft fan base. I am not a DXer, Contester, QRPer, CW or Keyboard Operator. In short, I am a nearly 100% SSB HF, Rag-Chew operator. December of this year will mark my 30th year as an amateur radio operator, though my exposure to the hobby began about 1960. The efforts of Elecraft are not wasted on me. For me the participating in Elecrafting involves no less than the following interrelated concepts. Ethic - The principles that form the base of Elecrafting include, Hands On Radio, community input in the development stage, and responsive support. Esthetic - My Houghton Miffin eReference offers the following definition for Elegance: Restraint and grace of style. What I know of Elecraft meets that definition quite precisely. Experience - For those that choose to participate in the Elecraft Experience, there is much more offered than absolute measurements can display. Dollars per Watt, bottom dollar, decibel measurements, point tallies and such are but a very few quantities with which to evaluate the overall Experience. Overemphasizing them may cause some to at times overlook other rich qualities of the Experience. While Elecraft shines very well in many, if not most aspects which can be measured and quantified, The Whole is More than the Sum of the Parts. Elecraft products and the Elecraft Experience are much more than the hardware and the various measurements, be those technical or of currency. Are there possible quantifications or collections thereof by which Elecraft might fall short of some other manufacturer..? Too much energy to either the left or the right of the decimal point can sometimes be just that. 73, Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Ethic, Esthetic and Experience
Thank you for putting your post in OUR language. I've been licensed for 61 years and operate mostly SSB and occasionally DX if in the mood. I've owned almost every radio over the years except the 7800 and 9000. No interest in those bloated boxes. I came from a Flex 5000 to the K3 and haven't looked back in 3 years. I am so satisfied with the operation and Elecraft as a whole. About to order the P3 and will order the KPA500 when available. When that happens I will sell my THP 1.2 K and perhaps LP-Pan which I love because of being partially SDR. Wish someone would develop a complete SDR package for the K3. Actually learned to like SDR better than knobs for simplicity and fun. I also use 62 meters with large beams at 80 ft. I smiled at your email because some times, I don't understand what all the chatter is about but wish I did but that doesn't stop me from being completely satisfied with my K3. Phil Philip LaMarche LaMarche Enterprises, Inc p...@lamarcheenterprises.com www.LaMarcheEnterprises.com 727-944-3226 727-937-8834 Fax 727-510-5038 Cell www.w9dvm.com K3 #1605 CCA 98-00827 CRA 1701 W9DVM -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward Dickinson, III Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 3:04 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Ethic, Esthetic and Experience I'd like to offer that my favored types of operation do not fit what are seemingly the foci of many of the participants that seem to constitute the Elecraft fan base. I am not a DXer, Contester, QRPer, CW or Keyboard Operator. In short, I am a nearly 100% SSB HF, Rag-Chew operator. December of this year will mark my 30th year as an amateur radio operator, though my exposure to the hobby began about 1960. The efforts of Elecraft are not wasted on me. For me the participating in Elecrafting involves no less than the following interrelated concepts. Ethic - The principles that form the base of Elecrafting include, Hands On Radio, community input in the development stage, and responsive support. Esthetic - My Houghton Miffin eReference offers the following definition for Elegance: Restraint and grace of style. What I know of Elecraft meets that definition quite precisely. Experience - For those that choose to participate in the Elecraft Experience, there is much more offered than absolute measurements can display. Dollars per Watt, bottom dollar, decibel measurements, point tallies and such are but a very few quantities with which to evaluate the overall Experience. Overemphasizing them may cause some to at times overlook other rich qualities of the Experience. While Elecraft shines very well in many, if not most aspects which can be measured and quantified, The Whole is More than the Sum of the Parts. Elecraft products and the Elecraft Experience are much more than the hardware and the various measurements, be those technical or of currency. Are there possible quantifications or collections thereof by which Elecraft might fall short of some other manufacturer..? Too much energy to either the left or the right of the decimal point can sometimes be just that. 73, Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Ethic, Esthetic and Experience
Edward Dickinson, III wrote: I'd like to offer that my favored types of operation do not fit what are seemingly the foci of many of the participants that seem to constitute the Elecraft fan base. I am not a DXer, Contester, QRPer, CW or Keyboard Operator. In short, I am a nearly 100% SSB HF, Rag-Chew operator. December of this year will mark my 30th year as an amateur radio operator, though my exposure to the hobby began about 1960. The efforts of Elecraft are not wasted on me. Neither are they wasted on the DXers, Contesters, QRPers, CW or Keyboard Operators! The problem for Elecraft (and for this list) is that 4000+ owners have 5000+ different answers to the question: Which K3 is Yours? -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Ethic, Esthetic and Experience
Ian, Good comment...:-) Gary On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Ian White GM3SEK gm3...@ifwtech.co.ukwrote: Edward Dickinson, III wrote: I'd like to offer that my favored types of operation do not fit what are seemingly the foci of many of the participants that seem to constitute the Elecraft fan base. I am not a DXer, Contester, QRPer, CW or Keyboard Operator. In short, I am a nearly 100% SSB HF, Rag-Chew operator. December of this year will mark my 30th year as an amateur radio operator, though my exposure to the hobby began about 1960. The efforts of Elecraft are not wasted on me. Neither are they wasted on the DXers, Contesters, QRPers, CW or Keyboard Operators! The problem for Elecraft (and for this list) is that 4000+ owners have 5000+ different answers to the question: Which K3 is Yours? -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Ethic, Esthetic and Experience
Ian and all, I too am not really a DX'er etc, but do love to have a nice conversation that may last for several minutes to sometimes several hours. I have had my share of all of the rice radios and the older USA brands. It only took one evening with a now SK, K6TNX, K3 who was kind enough to let me borrow it, then for me to order one. While I like the frills or so of what the others offer, the wonderful fullness of the audio, ease of operation and choice of BWs of the K3 makes the other radios blush. Keep it up Eric and Gang. Love the K3. Mel --- On Fri, 9/10/10, Gary Gregory garyvk...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gary Gregory garyvk...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Ethic, Esthetic and Experience To: Ian White GM3SEK gm3...@ifwtech.co.uk Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Friday, September 10, 2010, 1:45 PM Ian, Good comment...:-) Gary On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 5:55 AM, Ian White GM3SEK gm3...@ifwtech.co.ukwrote: Edward Dickinson, III wrote: I'd like to offer that my favored types of operation do not fit what are seemingly the foci of many of the participants that seem to constitute the Elecraft fan base. I am not a DXer, Contester, QRPer, CW or Keyboard Operator. In short, I am a nearly 100% SSB HF, Rag-Chew operator. December of this year will mark my 30th year as an amateur radio operator, though my exposure to the hobby began about 1960. The efforts of Elecraft are not wasted on me. Neither are they wasted on the DXers, Contesters, QRPers, CW or Keyboard Operators! The problem for Elecraft (and for this list) is that 4000+ owners have 5000+ different answers to the question: Which K3 is Yours? -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft - Ethic, Esthetic and Experience
Dick, KA5KKT. is right as far as I'm concerned. Like him, I'm 99% rag chewer, although almost all CW instead of SSB. Years ago many guys bought certain makes of transmitters and receivers for the reasons he cites as opposed to raw performance. I was an E.F. Johnson transmitter fan (mostly because they were kits as well as FB performers) and owned National receivers. Others focused on BW, World Radio, Heathkit, Collins, etc. for the same reasons. Esthetics are in the eye of the beholder. For example I chuckled over long-ago comments that the K2 looks industrial with its pan head case screws whereas that was part of the esthetic appeal to me. After all, in my view real Ham radios need just a hint of having come from a laboratory, not mass-produced by robots on an consumer product assembly line. I appreciate and admire the gang who seriously compete and need to shave every millisecond possible off of an exchange to win contests or bust DX-pileups just like I admire a good stunt pilot. Even so, my flying pleasure comes from spending time cruising the skies in an old plywood winged WWII PT-23 with its greenhouse canopy and bellowing radial engine in front of my face or ducking clouds in a bright yellow fabric covered J4 Piper Cub, just as I prefer a good rag chew to a brief exchange on the radio. I no longer have the E.J Johnson transmitters, or the National receivers, or the airplanes. But, today, I enjoy the Elecraft rigs in the same way. Ron AC7AC -Original Message- ... For me the participating in Elecrafting involves no less than the following interrelated concepts. Ethic - The principles that form the base of Elecrafting include, Hands On Radio, community input in the development stage, and responsive support. Esthetic - My Houghton Miffin eReference offers the following definition for Elegance: Restraint and grace of style. What I know of Elecraft meets that definition quite precisely. Experience - For those that choose to participate in the Elecraft Experience, there is much more offered than absolute measurements can display. Dollars per Watt, bottom dollar, decibel measurements, point tallies and such are but a very few quantities with which to evaluate the overall Experience. Overemphasizing them may cause some to at times overlook other rich qualities of the Experience. the right of the decimal point can sometimes be just that. 73, Dick - KA5KKT __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] Elecraft - Ethic, Esthetic and Experience
A very fair and true statement. Although there is a large something left out. Some 7,000 strong ops who are K2 owners should be included as well. Carry on Eric and Wayne. 73, Skip WB4DAD __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
