Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Jim Brown]

On 4/16/2018 10:15 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:

wsjt-x is quite CPU intensive. Running FT8


That's not entirely consistent with my experience and what I've heard 
from WSJT-X developers. MSK144 IS quite demanding of processor, speed, 
and RAM. Other modes generally are not. As long as 5-6 years ago, before 
the WSJT team had developed a multi-decoder, using W6CQZ's JT65-HF 
multi-decoder, I often decoding 20 or more JT65 signals in a single pass 
on HF with very under-powered 10-year old Thinkpads that didn't have 
much RAM either.


For MSK144 (meteor scatter) my superfast new Thinkpad could not be set 
for deep decoding and maximum frequency tolerance until I brought the 
RAM up to 16GB.


73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Bill Frantz]

wsjt-x is quite CPU intensive. Running FT8, it has a lot of 
computing to do to decode the signals in the 3 second or so 
window it has. It is decoding multiple signals, and then 
reconstituting the decoded signals so it can subtract them from 
the input and decode the signals hiding underneath them.


Joe Taylor mentioned in a lecture that the decoded signals are 
listed in ascending order of frequency, and these second decodes 
appear at the end.


OTOH, wsjt-x appears to only need about 30MB of storage, so it 
should fit nicely in the 2GB address space it has on most OSes. 
It needs speed, not bit addresses.


BUT, with Linux distos moving away from 32 bit, and Apple 
announcing the end of support for 32 bit, if Elecraft wants to 
continue supporting these platforms -- and I hope it will -- 
they should move "with all deliberate speed" to supporting 64 
bit utilities.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 4/16/18 at 1:39 AM, elecraft@mailman.qth.net (Dave B via 
Elecraft) wrote:



If however, you want to edit/mix real-time HD video and audio on a PC. 
Then, a fast 64 bit system will probably be needed.   The other "maybe"
need, is if you run a pure SDR based station, and need to run various
digimodes all on the same PC, with multiple screens and I/O systems.  
But I know of other people already doing all that on 32 bit Linux
systems just fine anyway.  (Once they find out how to make it all work
and play nice.)

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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Dave B via Elecraft]

On 13/04/18 21:14, elecraft-requ...@mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps
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> So forgive me but is it the case that the 32 bit elecraft utilities will not 
> run on 64 bit operating systems??If that's the case then elecraft will 
> release a 64 bit version of the utilities. If the 32 bit utilities? do run on 
> a 64 bit OS then what's the point??There is no point. A 32 bit version of 
> their utilities will work just as well as just fast over a rs232 connection 
> no matter if the OS is 64 bit 128 bit or 256 bit.?So the question is will 
> these utilities not run on a 64 bit OS? They are 32 bit and run just fine on 
> 64 bit windows..?73 Tom?

The 32bit code on 64bit system problem varies by OS.  Windows(64)
generally has good support for 32 bit applications.  (Most of the more
esoteric background system tools are 32 bit code anyway, some are still
virtually the same as those developed for Windows 2000, or even NT!)

But these days MS has no support for 16 bit software, such as Windows
3.xx code etc (not exactly surprising, but the old Win3x "Terminal"
program is still quick and easy to use, for example, on an old XP box.)
  Windows 32 bit systems, XP and earlier, fully support the old Win3x
software, and many DOS programs too.   (Vista and later dropped 16 bit
support, even on the command line.)

In the Linux world, it's utterly different.  From my personal
experience, a pure 64 bit system will not run any 32 bit code "as is",
unless you hunt down and load a sort of compatibility layer.   Much as
in the later days of Windows 3.xx, you'd use a 32 bit compatibility
tool, to run some 32 bit code on a 16 bit system!   Some systems come
with that already, but it needs enabling.

So, if you go to a 64 bit Linux, unless all the programs you want are
freely available in that OS's 64 bit flavours, you'll have to compile
them yourself.  And that too, can be troublesome for some older (and not
so old) Ham software, where the original author has "handed off" support
to the "community."   Also, some of the compilation tools that a lot of
the older (but still very good) code needs so you can build it, have not
yet been updated to "64 bitness" themselves.

Plus, as before, though "64 bit" CPU's have been around for a long time
now, many of the class of machine that most of us would "recycle" (Ex
Vista era or later laptops etc) and put Linux on, other than the
internals of the CPU, are in truth 32 bit machines, and as such will
have memory addressing issues above 4Gig.

Even ex XP machines, running 32 bit versions of Lubuntu, LinuxLite, or
Puppy Linux, can have very useful roles in a ham shack, for (other than
time) next to zero cost.

If however, you want to edit/mix real-time HD video and audio on a PC. 
Then, a fast 64 bit system will probably be needed.   The other "maybe"
need, is if you run a pure SDR based station, and need to run various
digimodes all on the same PC, with multiple screens and I/O systems.  
But I know of other people already doing all that on 32 bit Linux
systems just fine anyway.  (Once they find out how to make it all work
and play nice.)

Plus as before, the K3/KX3 utility, only communicates to the radio over
an 8 bit link, & that is not in the MBPS range.

I have no experience of Apple products, other than on odd occasions
having to reconfigure the XYL's iPad WiFi settings.

73.

Dave G0WBX/G8KBV (Who does use Windows 7 Pro 64 bit at work, but I'm 95%
Linux at home now.)

PS:
The fix for this, is to release the K3/KX3 utility sources into the
public domain.   Then if you want, you can compile it on a 32, 64 bit
(or other) system where a compatible compiler exists.   Any Elecraft
"secret sauce" could probably be reverse engineered from the existing
tool today, by recording and examining the data passing between the rig
and utility, for known tasks.  (I'm thinking of the firmware update
procedure etc, all the other stuff is documented in the manuals.)

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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[John Stengrevics]

I don’t mean to be combative, but just update your apps after an OS update.

I’ve had no problems moving to the latest High Sierra 10.13.4.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Apr 15, 2018, at 10:33 AM, Raymond Sills <raysil...@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> HI Bill:
> 
> 
> /rant
> 
> 
> It's nice that people are getting a warning but IMO, I'd just as soon 
> stay at a lower level OS where all the applications that I need will still 
> work just fine.   I got viciously snagged by an OS upgrade, which rendered my 
> entire Time Capsule backup useless.  So, all the files that I wanted to keep 
> simply are unavailable to me after my older iMac's HD tanked, and I bought a 
> new iMac, ASSUMING (bad idea) that I could restore them to the new machine.  
> Nope.  So, that's left a bitter taste in my mouth.  And, I'm a long time Mac 
> user.   This is the first time I've been seriously burnt by an OS "upgrade".
> 
> 
> So have a number of professional colleagues who depended on their apps 
> running properly on High Sierra... who sadly discovered that their income 
> stream ground to a halt, since they no longer to use their computers for 
> professional audio and video post-production.  Eventually, their apps will be 
> supported by HS... but for many, this is a big deal. Fortunately, some of 
> them were able to "downgrade" back to the OS that works but not all were 
> able to do that.
> 
> 
> So, for now... I do not upgrade an OS unless and until I know that my apps 
> will run properly.
> 
> 
> /end rant
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Frantz <fra...@pwpconsult.com <mailto:fra...@pwpconsult.com>>
> To: elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>>
> Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2018 9:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps
> 
> When I launched the K3 utility, I got a message saying in 
> essence, that it was using obsolete technology. It referenced 
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208436> which says that soon 
> 32 bit applications will not run. To quote:
> 
> "Starting with macOS High Sierra 10.13.4, apps that have not 
> been updated to use 64-bit processes produce a one-time alert 
> when opened. This gives users advance notice that they are 
> running 32-bit software, which will not be compatible with macOS 
> in the future."
> 
> They don't say when the change will be effective, but the clock 
> is ticking.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Raymond Sills]

HI Bill:


/rant


It's nice that people are getting a warning but IMO, I'd just as soon stay 
at a lower level OS where all the applications that I need will still work just 
fine.   I got viciously snagged by an OS upgrade, which rendered my entire Time 
Capsule backup useless.  So, all the files that I wanted to keep simply are 
unavailable to me after my older iMac's HD tanked, and I bought a new iMac, 
ASSUMING (bad idea) that I could restore them to the new machine.  Nope.  So, 
that's left a bitter taste in my mouth.  And, I'm a long time Mac user.   This 
is the first time I've been seriously burnt by an OS "upgrade".


So have a number of professional colleagues who depended on their apps running 
properly on High Sierra... who sadly discovered that their income stream ground 
to a halt, since they no longer to use their computers for professional audio 
and video post-production.  Eventually, their apps will be supported by HS... 
but for many, this is a big deal.  Fortunately, some of them were able to 
"downgrade" back to the OS that works but not all were able to do that.


So, for now... I do not upgrade an OS unless and until I know that my apps will 
run properly.


/end rant


-Original Message-
From: Bill Frantz <fra...@pwpconsult.com>
To: elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, Apr 14, 2018 9:44 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

When I launched the K3 utility, I got a message saying in 
essence, that it was using obsolete technology. It referenced 
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208436> which says that soon 
32 bit applications will not run. To quote:

"Starting with macOS High Sierra 10.13.4, apps that have not 
been updated to use 64-bit processes produce a one-time alert 
when opened. This gives users advance notice that they are 
running 32-bit software, which will not be compatible with macOS 
in the future."

They don't say when the change will be effective, but the clock 
is ticking.

73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Bill Frantz]

When I launched the K3 utility, I got a message saying in 
essence, that it was using obsolete technology. It referenced 
 which says that soon 
32 bit applications will not run. To quote:


"Starting with macOS High Sierra 10.13.4, apps that have not 
been updated to use 64-bit processes produce a one-time alert 
when opened. This gives users advance notice that they are 
running 32-bit software, which will not be compatible with macOS 
in the future."


They don't say when the change will be effective, but the clock 
is ticking.


73 Bill AE6JV

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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Phil Hystad]

Failing memories indeed.  I worked for CDC Sunnyvale Ops back in the early 
1970s and part of that time I was briefly working on the FTN (aka Fortran) 
compiler, Pass 1.  The regular floating point on the 6600 was 60 bits as the 
word size on the computer was 60 bits. 

The failing memory part — I believe that the FTN compiler itself implemented 
double-precision 120 bit floating point that was a slight sacrifice of 
screaming performance (at the time) for higher precision.  I think this was 
FTN’s type G floating point.  So, this floating point did not have 120 bit 
registers but rather treated two 60-bit words each holding half of the floating 
point double-precision number.

Also the CDC 6600 was released in 1964.  SN1 of the CDC 6600 was originally 
sent to Los Alamos labs but retired to Sunnyvale when I worked there (’72-75) 
and it was our main 6600 used by the FTN compiler project.  Of course we had at 
least once each of all the 6000-series computers as well as a 7600.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:48 PM, brian  wrote:
> 
> My failing memory seems to recall that the CDC6600 used 60 bit math for 
> floating point single precision operations.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDC_6600 seems to confirm that.
> 
> They were great machines, till the 7600 then the Cray computers showed up...
> 
> It was interesting to bring these machines to their knees by physics 
> calculations that took days to run.  They had to be run on weekends to keep 
> the rest of the lab happy.
> 
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
> 
> On 4/13/2018 18:06 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> We already did, in the later 70's.  It ran on a CDC6600.  We used it for
>> guidance analysis and trajectory planning/simulation for the Apollo
>> missions.  FORTRAN IV, double precision FP words.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
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>> On 4/12/2018 11:10 PM, Martin Sole wrote:
>>> 
>>> When are we going to see 128 bit OS's :)
>>> 
>>> Martin, HS0ZED
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Fred Jensen]

Details, details ... 128 or 120, their both greater than 64 [yes, it is 
120].  It's a long way to the moon and truncation errors in the 
numerical integration summed to unacceptable levels on the UNIVAC 1108 
[64-bit DP FP] machines.  I just couldn't pass up the chance to point 
out that "newest isn't always *that* new." [:-))


Speaking of "newest," I haven't turned on my Win10 
laptop in several weeks [maybe a month or a little more].  I did at 
breakfast today, it is now lunchtime and it's still applying updates ... 
apparently 1 at a time.  Why can't it do 4 at a time, one in each 
core?


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 4/13/2018 12:48 PM, brian wrote:
My failing memory seems to recall that the CDC6600 used 60 bit math 
for floating point single precision operations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDC_6600 seems to confirm that.

They were great machines, till the 7600 then the Cray computers showed 
up...


It was interesting to bring these machines to their knees by physics 
calculations that took days to run.  They had to be run on weekends to 
keep the rest of the lab happy.


73 de Brian/K3KO


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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[brian]

My failing memory seems to recall that the CDC6600 used 60 bit math for 
floating point single precision operations.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDC_6600 seems to confirm that.

They were great machines, till the 7600 then the Cray computers showed up...

It was interesting to bring these machines to their knees by physics 
calculations that took days to run.  They had to be run on weekends to 
keep the rest of the lab happy.


73 de Brian/K3KO

On 4/13/2018 18:06 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

We already did, in the later 70's.  It ran on a CDC6600.  We used it for
guidance analysis and trajectory planning/simulation for the Apollo
missions.  FORTRAN IV, double precision FP words.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 4/12/2018 11:10 PM, Martin Sole wrote:


When are we going to see 128 bit OS's :)

Martin, HS0ZED


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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[rich hurd WC3T]

These young whippersnappers.  Back when I was a kid, we used to carve our
own ICs out of wood.   :D

On Fri, Apr 13, 2018 at 14:06 Fred Jensen  wrote:

> We already did, in the later 70's.  It ran on a CDC6600.  We used it for
> guidance analysis and trajectory planning/simulation for the Apollo
> missions.  FORTRAN IV, double precision FP words.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
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> On 4/12/2018 11:10 PM, Martin Sole wrote:
> >
> > When are we going to see 128 bit OS's :)
> >
> > Martin, HS0ZED
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Fred Jensen]

We already did, in the later 70's.  It ran on a CDC6600.  We used it for 
guidance analysis and trajectory planning/simulation for the Apollo 
missions.  FORTRAN IV, double precision FP words.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 4/12/2018 11:10 PM, Martin Sole wrote:


When are we going to see 128 bit OS's :)

Martin, HS0ZED


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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Thorpe, Jeffrey]

That did it - thanks.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 13, 2018, at 12:34 AM, Johan Ymerson  wrote:
> 
> 
> By the way, if you get errors when the K3/KX3 utilities is checking for new 
> firmware, try installing the 'curl' package.
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Johan Ymerson]

That is very easy to test, isn't it.
Just tried on Ubuntu 17.10 "Live-CD" (just boot the desktop ISO without 
installing).

This is what I get:
ubuntu@ubuntu:~/Downloads/k3util_1_16_6_25$ ./k3util
bash: ./k3util: No such file or directory

/Johan, SM0XHJ


On 2018-04-13 10:55, Gordon LaPoint wrote:

Linux 32 bit applications *WILL* run on 64bit operating systems.  I do
software development for Raspberry Pi and Linux desktop systems in
both 32 bit and 64bit versions.
    The Raspian version of Debian is only 32 bit, so it will not run
64 bit programs, but the 64bit desktop will run both 32bit and 64bit.
The actual executable code must be compiled for the proper
architecture for it to work (arm or x86).

Gordon - N1MGO

On 4/12/2018 11:53 PM, tomb18 wrote:
So forgive me but is it the case that the 32 bit elecraft utilities 
will not run on 64 bit operating systems? If that's the case then 
elecraft will release a 64 bit version of the utilities. If the 32 bit 
utilities  do run on a 64 bit OS then what's the point? There is no 
point. A 32 bit version of their utilities will work just as well as 
just fast over a rs232 connection no matter if the OS is 64 bit 128 
bit or 256 bit. So the question is will these utilities not run on a 
64 bit OS? They are 32 bit and run just fine on 64 bit windows.. 73 
Tom




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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Gordon LaPoint]

Linux 32 bit applications *WILL* run on 64bit operating systems.  I do 
software development for Raspberry Pi and Linux desktop systems in both 
32 bit and 64bit versions.
    The Raspian version of Debian is only 32 bit, so it will not run 64 
bit programs, but the 64bit desktop will run both 32bit and 64bit.
The actual executable code must be compiled for the proper architecture 
for it to work (arm or x86).


Gordon - N1MGO

On 4/12/2018 11:53 PM, tomb18 wrote:

So forgive me but is it the case that the 32 bit elecraft utilities will not 
run on 64 bit operating systems? If that's the case then elecraft will release 
a 64 bit version of the utilities. If the 32 bit utilities  do run on a 64 bit 
OS then what's the point? There is no point. A 32 bit version of their 
utilities will work just as well as just fast over a rs232 connection no matter 
if the OS is 64 bit 128 bit or 256 bit. So the question is will these utilities 
not run on a 64 bit OS? They are 32 bit and run just fine on 64 bit windows.. 
73 Tom



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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Johan Ymerson]

64-bit x86 Linux (or Windows for that mater) cannot natively run 32-bit 
applications. A 32-bit compatibility layer is needed. It is essentially 
an entire copy of the 32-bit version of the OS installed in parallel. On 
most Linux distributions this needs to be installed manually. On Windows 
the compatibility layer (WoW64) is installed by default on desktop 
versions and some server versions. The 32-bit support is possible 
because Intel and AMD is still including the 32-bit instruction set in 
the current CPUs. When they decide that space is needed for more import 
things (or causes too many security issues) and remove it, it will no 
longer be possible to run 32-bit applications on those CPUs.


Users with old computers can still run the older version of the Elecraft 
utilities so it isn't like anything will stop working.


By the way, if you get errors when the K3/KX3 utilities is checking for 
new firmware, try installing the 'curl' package.



/Johan, SM0XHJ




On 2018-04-13 05:53, tomb18 wrote:

So forgive me but is it the case that the 32 bit elecraft utilities
will not run on 64 bit operating systems? If that's the case then
elecraft will release a 64 bit version of the utilities. If the 32 bit
utilities  do run on a 64 bit OS then what's the point? There is no
point. A 32 bit version of their utilities will work just as well as
just fast over a rs232 connection no matter if the OS is 64 bit 128
bit or 256 bit. So the question is will these utilities not run on a
64 bit OS? They are 32 bit and run just fine on 64 bit windows.. 73
Tom 


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey"
<jtho...@liberty.edu> Date: 2018-04-12  9:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: John
Marvin <jm...@themarvins.org> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject:
Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps
Yes - you are correct. It didn’t occur to me when I installed it that
it shouldn’t run due to the different architecture.
Turns out that the first thing I installed to the fresh installation
of Raspbian was Exagear Desktop to test with a different application
(a windows one.) I had thought that you had to tell ED to start the
686 emulator prior to running an x86 app, but it appears to
automatically invoke when it detects the different architecture trying
to load. So it started the emulator and runs KX3 Util inside it.
It isn’t perfect though - for some reason it fails to connect to
ftp.elecraft.com with a 127 error, even though the x86 machine can go
to the internet. KX3 Util does connect to the KX3 and can do
everything else though. Guess I’ll have to figure out how to correct
that one problem.

I expect that a some time in the not-to-distant future they will
release a 64-bit version of Raspbian. It would be nice to have a
native KX3 Util program compiled for the Arm. Raspberry Pis just get
more popular for ham radio. It runs the FL suite, WSJT-X, and Chirp.

Jeff - kg7hdz


On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:57 PM, John Marvin <jm...@themarvins.org> wrote:

Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that), 
I think you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only 
available as X86 32 bit application. It can't run natively on a 
Raspberry Pi.


73,
John
AC0ZG


On 4/12/2018 10:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I 
don’t think I had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest 
Raspbian also.


Jeff - kg7hdz

On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin 
<ka2...@gmail.com<mailto:ka2...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest 
version of Raspian got the error I expected.


pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
-bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $

How did you get it to run?

Jim/KA2RVO




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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Martin Sole]

This probably started with the Mac OS thing. My understanding is that 
post High Sierra it will be just 64 bit and they will start dropping 
support for 32 bit so very possible that on a Mac lots of (some?) 32 bit 
apps may not work.


When are we going to see 128 bit OS's :)

Martin, HS0ZED


On 13/04/2018 10:53, tomb18 wrote:

So forgive me but is it the case that the 32 bit elecraft utilities will not 
run on 64 bit operating systems? If that's the case then elecraft will release 
a 64 bit version of the utilities. If the 32 bit utilities  do run on a 64 bit 
OS then what's the point? There is no point. A 32 bit version of their 
utilities will work just as well as just fast over a rs232 connection no matter 
if the OS is 64 bit 128 bit or 256 bit. So the question is will these utilities 
not run on a 64 bit OS? They are 32 bit and run just fine on 64 bit windows.. 
73 Tom


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <jtho...@liberty.edu> Date: 
2018-04-12  9:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: John Marvin <jm...@themarvins.org> Cc: 
elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps
Yes - you are correct. It didn’t occur to me when I installed it that it 
shouldn’t run due to the different architecture.
Turns out that the first thing I installed to the fresh installation of 
Raspbian was Exagear Desktop to test with a different application (a windows 
one.) I had thought that you had to tell ED to start the 686 emulator prior to 
running an x86 app, but it appears to automatically invoke when it detects the 
different architecture trying to load. So it started the emulator and runs KX3 
Util inside it.
It isn’t perfect though - for some reason it fails to connect to 
ftp.elecraft.com with a 127 error, even though the x86 machine can go to the 
internet. KX3 Util does connect to the KX3 and can do everything else though. 
Guess I’ll have to figure out how to correct that one problem.

I expect that a some time in the not-to-distant future they will release a 
64-bit version of Raspbian. It would be nice to have a native KX3 Util program 
compiled for the Arm. Raspberry Pis just get more popular for ham radio. It 
runs the FL suite, WSJT-X, and Chirp.

Jeff - kg7hdz


On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:57 PM, John Marvin <jm...@themarvins.org> wrote:

Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that), I think 
you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only available as X86 32 bit 
application. It can't run natively on a Raspberry Pi.

73,
John
AC0ZG


On 4/12/2018 10:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think I 
had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.

Jeff - kg7hdz

On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin 
<ka2...@gmail.com<mailto:ka2...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of 
Raspian got the error I expected.

pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
-bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $

How did you get it to run?

Jim/KA2RVO



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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[tomb18]

So forgive me but is it the case that the 32 bit elecraft utilities will not 
run on 64 bit operating systems? If that's the case then elecraft will release 
a 64 bit version of the utilities. If the 32 bit utilities  do run on a 64 bit 
OS then what's the point? There is no point. A 32 bit version of their 
utilities will work just as well as just fast over a rs232 connection no matter 
if the OS is 64 bit 128 bit or 256 bit. So the question is will these utilities 
not run on a 64 bit OS? They are 32 bit and run just fine on 64 bit windows.. 
73 Tom 


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
 Original message From: "Thorpe, Jeffrey" <jtho...@liberty.edu> 
Date: 2018-04-12  9:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: John Marvin <jm...@themarvins.org> 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility 
Apps 
Yes - you are correct. It didn’t occur to me when I installed it that it 
shouldn’t run due to the different architecture.
Turns out that the first thing I installed to the fresh installation of 
Raspbian was Exagear Desktop to test with a different application (a windows 
one.) I had thought that you had to tell ED to start the 686 emulator prior to 
running an x86 app, but it appears to automatically invoke when it detects the 
different architecture trying to load. So it started the emulator and runs KX3 
Util inside it.
It isn’t perfect though - for some reason it fails to connect to 
ftp.elecraft.com with a 127 error, even though the x86 machine can go to the 
internet. KX3 Util does connect to the KX3 and can do everything else though. 
Guess I’ll have to figure out how to correct that one problem.

I expect that a some time in the not-to-distant future they will release a 
64-bit version of Raspbian. It would be nice to have a native KX3 Util program 
compiled for the Arm. Raspberry Pis just get more popular for ham radio. It 
runs the FL suite, WSJT-X, and Chirp.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:57 PM, John Marvin <jm...@themarvins.org> wrote:
> 
> Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that), I think 
> you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only available as X86 32 bit 
> application. It can't run natively on a Raspberry Pi.
> 
> 73,
> John
> AC0ZG
> 
>> On 4/12/2018 10:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>> I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think 
>> I had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.
>> 
>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin 
>> <ka2...@gmail.com<mailto:ka2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of 
>> Raspian got the error I expected.
>> 
>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
>> -bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $
>> 
>> How did you get it to run?
>> 
>> Jim/KA2RVO
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Thorpe, Jeffrey]

Yes - you are correct. It didn’t occur to me when I installed it that it 
shouldn’t run due to the different architecture.
Turns out that the first thing I installed to the fresh installation of 
Raspbian was Exagear Desktop to test with a different application (a windows 
one.) I had thought that you had to tell ED to start the 686 emulator prior to 
running an x86 app, but it appears to automatically invoke when it detects the 
different architecture trying to load. So it started the emulator and runs KX3 
Util inside it.
It isn’t perfect though - for some reason it fails to connect to 
ftp.elecraft.com with a 127 error, even though the x86 machine can go to the 
internet. KX3 Util does connect to the KX3 and can do everything else though. 
Guess I’ll have to figure out how to correct that one problem.

I expect that a some time in the not-to-distant future they will release a 
64-bit version of Raspbian. It would be nice to have a native KX3 Util program 
compiled for the Arm. Raspberry Pis just get more popular for ham radio. It 
runs the FL suite, WSJT-X, and Chirp.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 3:57 PM, John Marvin  wrote:
> 
> Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that), I think 
> you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only available as X86 32 bit 
> application. It can't run natively on a Raspberry Pi.
> 
> 73,
> John
> AC0ZG
> 
>> On 4/12/2018 10:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>> I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think 
>> I had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.
>> 
>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of 
>> Raspian got the error I expected.
>> 
>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
>> -bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $
>> 
>> How did you get it to run?
>> 
>> Jim/KA2RVO
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Joseph Reed]

Actually there is a Linux version of the KX3 utility.  The error posted 
suggests it might have been the Windows X86 version, or needs to be compiled 
for the ARM processor instead of the Intel/AMD.  Regardless the source code is 
not available so move along folks, nothing to see here.  And since Raspbian is 
a Debian derivative you would kind of sort of think it would work. Debian, 
yuck, CentOS :)

All of my Pi 2B and Pi 3 units are deployed with application specific tasks.  
But I have a couple of Pi Zeros that aren’t earning their keep.  When I can 
find the time I’ll test it.

Joe N9JR

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 5:56 PM, John Marvin  wrote:
> 
> Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that), I think 
> you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only available as X86 32 bit 
> application. It can't run natively on a Raspberry Pi.
> 
> 73,
> John
> AC0ZG
> 
> On 4/12/2018 10:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>> I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think 
>> I had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.
>> 
>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of 
>> Raspian got the error I expected.
>> 
>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
>> -bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
>> pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $
>> 
>> How did you get it to run?
>> 
>> Jim/KA2RVO
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[John Marvin]

Unless you ran it under emulation (e.g. wine or something like that), I 
think you are misremembering. KX3 utility is currently only available as 
X86 32 bit application. It can't run natively on a Raspberry Pi.


73,
John
AC0ZG

On 4/12/2018 10:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:

I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think I 
had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.

Jeff - kg7hdz

On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin 
> wrote:

I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of 
Raspian got the error I expected.

pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
-bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $

How did you get it to run?

Jim/KA2RVO




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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Bob Nielsen]

If you want to run 64 bit Linux on a Raspberry Pi 3, you will probably 
need to use a different distribution than Raspbian, which currently only 
exists in a 32 bit version.


Bob, N7XY


On 4/12/18 9:43 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:

I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think I 
had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.

Jeff - kg7hdz

On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin 
> wrote:

I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of 
Raspian got the error I expected.

pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
-bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $

How did you get it to run?

Jim/KA2RVO


On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey 
> wrote:
KX3 Utility runs on my Pi.

Jeff - kg7hdz


On Apr 12, 2018, at 07:52, Johan Ymerson 
> wrote:


On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm, Raspbian
OS is still only 32 bit.

Jeff - kg7hdz


On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been available for
ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded
systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.

Johan, SM0XHJ



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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Thorpe, Jeffrey]

I don’t remember - I’ll try to look at it tonight and see how. I don’t think I 
had to do anything goofy...I’m running the latest Raspbian also.

Jeff - kg7hdz

On Apr 12, 2018, at 9:18 AM, James Austin 
> wrote:

I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of 
Raspian got the error I expected.

pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
-bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $

How did you get it to run?

Jim/KA2RVO


On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey 
> wrote:
KX3 Utility runs on my Pi.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 07:52, Johan Ymerson 
> > wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm, Raspbian
>> OS is still only 32 bit.
>>
>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>>
>
> On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been available for
> ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
> 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded
> systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.
>
> Johan, SM0XHJ
>
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Johan Ymerson]

On Thursday, 12 April 2018 18:18:15 CEST you wrote:
> Johan Ymerson wrote on 04/12/2018 10:03 AM:
> > Sure there are 32-bit desktops out there, therefor I wrote pretty dead,
> > not
> > completely dead ;-)
> > Two years ago, Ubuntu did a poll and 92% answered they used the 64-bit
> > version.
> 
> I have a couple of 64-bit machines too, and would have answered in the
> affirmative (if I used Ubuntu). Unless the question asked "do you use ONLY
> the 64-bit version", you are drawing an unwarranted conclusion.
> 
> > Maintaining a 32-bit desktop is getting harder and harder. Bugs that only
> > affect i386 is getting more common as hardly anyone testing new versions
> > run i386. And the 3GB memory per process limit is starting to be a real
> > issue. The larger distributions will probably drop i386 support in a year
> > or two.
> Please, stick to facts. None of those statements is true, except possibly
> the last (I have no insight into what the plans may or may not be for
> "larger distributions").
Let's not get into a technical Linux discussion here. We hams probably keep 
old computers around way longer than the average user. The (sad) truth is that 
most people today see their laptops and phones etc as consumables that you 
through away after a couple of years.

> 
> Anyway, my basic point, and trying to keep this relevant to the topic to
> hand, is that for Elecraft to require 64-bit hardware seems to be an
> arbitrary imposition, as there is no other obvious reason for said
> requirement to be imposed on a shack computer.
> 
>   Doc  N7DR

I agree that providing both a 32-bit and a 64-bit version would be nice. But 
if Elecraft need to chose between either 32-bit or 64-bit (and two versions 
obviously cost more than one to maintain), then 64-bit is the obvious choice 
today.

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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[James Austin]

I just downloaded and tried to run it on a Pi running the latest version of
Raspian got the error I expected.

pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $ ./kx3util
-bash: ./kx3util: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error
pi@raspberrypi:~/kx3util_1_16_6_25 $

How did you get it to run?

Jim/KA2RVO


On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey 
wrote:

> KX3 Utility runs on my Pi.
>
> Jeff - kg7hdz
>
> > On Apr 12, 2018, at 07:52, Johan Ymerson  wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
> >> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm,
> Raspbian
> >> OS is still only 32 bit.
> >>
> >> Jeff - kg7hdz
> >>
> >
> > On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been
> available for
> > ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
> > 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many
> embedded
> > systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.
> >
> > Johan, SM0XHJ
> >
> >
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Johan Ymerson]

On Thursday, 12 April 2018 17:18:12 CEST D. R. Evans wrote:
> Johan Ymerson wrote on 04/12/2018 08:48 AM:
> > 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded
> 
> ??
> 
> I have several 32-bit Linux desktop boxes here, all working perfectly.
> Including the shack computer.
> 
>   Doc -- N7DR

Sure there are 32-bit desktops out there, therefor I wrote pretty dead, not 
completely dead ;-)
Two years ago, Ubuntu did a poll and 92% answered they used the 64-bit 
version. Now that is hardly representative for all distributions, but on the 
other hand it was two years ago...
Maintaining a 32-bit desktop is getting harder and harder. Bugs that only 
affect i386 is getting more common as hardly anyone testing new versions run 
i386. And the 3GB memory per process limit is starting to be a real issue.
The larger distributions will probably drop i386 support in a year or two.

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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Johan Ymerson]

Does it? Where can I download it for the Pi (ARM)? I do have a Pi in my 
sailing boat so a Pi version of KX3 Utility could be useful :-)

/Johan


On Thursday, 12 April 2018 17:32:33 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
> KX3 Utility runs on my Pi.
> 
> Jeff - kg7hdz
> 
> > On Apr 12, 2018, at 07:52, Johan Ymerson  wrote:
> >> On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
> >> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm,
> >> Raspbian
> >> OS is still only 32 bit.
> >> 
> >> Jeff - kg7hdz
> > 
> > On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been available
> > for ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
> > 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded
> > systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.
> > 
> > Johan, SM0XHJ
> > 
> > 
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Thorpe, Jeffrey]

KX3 Utility runs on my Pi.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 07:52, Johan Ymerson  wrote:
> 
>> On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
>> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm, Raspbian
>> OS is still only 32 bit.
>> 
>> Jeff - kg7hdz
>> 
> 
> On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been available 
> for 
> ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
> 32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded 
> systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.
> 
> Johan, SM0XHJ
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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On Thursday, 12 April 2018 14:40:58 CEST Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
> Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm, Raspbian
> OS is still only 32 bit.
> 
> Jeff - kg7hdz
> 

On the other hand, the K3 Utility has to my knowledge never been available for 
ARM, 32-bit or otherwise.
32-bit Linux is pretty dead as OS on desktops/laptops. Sure, many embedded 
systems still are 32-bit, but the K3 Utility is a desktop application.

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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Thorpe, Jeffrey]

I still occasionally use an older 2007 Macbook that will not run anything newer 
than OSX 10.6.8. It handles my radio apps just fine.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 5:02 AM, Dave Sublette  wrote:
> 
> Good morning David,
> 
> A curious bit of circumstance forced me to use an earlier version of the
> Apple O/S recently.  My old Mac Mini died when its UPS went hysterical and
> cycled the power violently several times.  I bought a new one, complete
> with 16GB RAM and the 1TB Fusion Drive (and a new power backup system).
> 
> My old Mini setup ran Parallels and Win7/64 so I could run several amateur
> radio programs on it.  When I tried partitioning the new drive for 250GB
> for Boot camp. It wouldn't do it.  There is a BUG in High Sierra that
> causes this and I have informed Apple of it.  They have had others report
> the same.  They had  o way to fix it at the time I was having the problem
> in late March.
> 
> My solution was to wipe the new drive and install an earlier version  -- in
> this case 10.6 -- temporarily.  The older disk utility will partition the
> new drive the way I needed it.  After installing Win7/64, I reinstalled
> High Sierra and all was well.
> 
> This is an example of how I had to drop back to an older O/S, if only
> temporarily.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dave, K4TO
> 
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:59 AM, David Fleming via Elecraft <
> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>> Yes.. No worries. All new releases of the Mac and Linux versions of the
>> Elecraft Utilities will be 64-bit. As a result, OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
>> will no longer be supported and users of 32-bit Linux will need to upgrade
>> to a 64-bit distro. This will be a gradual process as new revisions of the
>> Utilities are released.
>> 
>> Out of curiosity, is anyone still using OS X 10.6?
>> 
>> David, W4SMT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, April 12, 2018, 1:26:56 AM EDT, John_N1JM 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64
>> bit
>> soon?
>> 
>> 73, John N1JM
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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Any idea when the Mac version of theKPA1500 utility will be available?

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 2:59 AM, David Fleming via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes.. No worries. All new releases of the Mac and Linux versions of the 
> Elecraft Utilities will be 64-bit. As a result, OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will 
> no longer be supported and users of 32-bit Linux will need to upgrade to a 
> 64-bit distro. This will be a gradual process as new revisions of the 
> Utilities are released.
> 
> Out of curiosity, is anyone still using OS X 10.6?
> 
> David, W4SMT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018, 1:26:56 AM EDT, John_N1JM  
> wrote: 
> 
> Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64 bit
> soon?
> 
> 73, John N1JM
> 
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[Thorpe, Jeffrey]

Oh, and not to mention the Raspberry Pi. While it is a 64 bit Arm, Raspbian OS 
is still only 32 bit.

Jeff - kg7hdz

> On Apr 12, 2018, at 5:39 AM, Thorpe, Jeffrey  wrote:
> 
> I still occasionally use an older 2007 Macbook that will not run anything 
> newer than OSX 10.6.8. It handles my radio apps just fine.
> 
> Jeff - kg7hdz
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 5:02 AM, Dave Sublette  wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning David,
>> 
>> A curious bit of circumstance forced me to use an earlier version of the
>> Apple O/S recently.  My old Mac Mini died when its UPS went hysterical and
>> cycled the power violently several times.  I bought a new one, complete
>> with 16GB RAM and the 1TB Fusion Drive (and a new power backup system).
>> 
>> My old Mini setup ran Parallels and Win7/64 so I could run several amateur
>> radio programs on it.  When I tried partitioning the new drive for 250GB
>> for Boot camp. It wouldn't do it.  There is a BUG in High Sierra that
>> causes this and I have informed Apple of it.  They have had others report
>> the same.  They had  o way to fix it at the time I was having the problem
>> in late March.
>> 
>> My solution was to wipe the new drive and install an earlier version  -- in
>> this case 10.6 -- temporarily.  The older disk utility will partition the
>> new drive the way I needed it.  After installing Win7/64, I reinstalled
>> High Sierra and all was well.
>> 
>> This is an example of how I had to drop back to an older O/S, if only
>> temporarily.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Dave, K4TO
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:59 AM, David Fleming via Elecraft <
>> elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes.. No worries. All new releases of the Mac and Linux versions of the
>>> Elecraft Utilities will be 64-bit. As a result, OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
>>> will no longer be supported and users of 32-bit Linux will need to upgrade
>>> to a 64-bit distro. This will be a gradual process as new revisions of the
>>> Utilities are released.
>>> 
>>> Out of curiosity, is anyone still using OS X 10.6?
>>> 
>>> David, W4SMT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thursday, April 12, 2018, 1:26:56 AM EDT, John_N1JM 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64
>>> bit
>>> soon?
>>> 
>>> 73, John N1JM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

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Good morning David,

A curious bit of circumstance forced me to use an earlier version of the
Apple O/S recently.  My old Mac Mini died when its UPS went hysterical and
cycled the power violently several times.  I bought a new one, complete
with 16GB RAM and the 1TB Fusion Drive (and a new power backup system).

My old Mini setup ran Parallels and Win7/64 so I could run several amateur
radio programs on it.  When I tried partitioning the new drive for 250GB
for Boot camp. It wouldn't do it.  There is a BUG in High Sierra that
causes this and I have informed Apple of it.  They have had others report
the same.  They had  o way to fix it at the time I was having the problem
in late March.

My solution was to wipe the new drive and install an earlier version  -- in
this case 10.6 -- temporarily.  The older disk utility will partition the
new drive the way I needed it.  After installing Win7/64, I reinstalled
High Sierra and all was well.

This is an example of how I had to drop back to an older O/S, if only
temporarily.

73,

Dave, K4TO

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 2:59 AM, David Fleming via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Yes.. No worries. All new releases of the Mac and Linux versions of the
> Elecraft Utilities will be 64-bit. As a result, OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard)
> will no longer be supported and users of 32-bit Linux will need to upgrade
> to a 64-bit distro. This will be a gradual process as new revisions of the
> Utilities are released.
>
> Out of curiosity, is anyone still using OS X 10.6?
>
> David, W4SMT
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018, 1:26:56 AM EDT, John_N1JM 
> wrote:
>
> Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64
> bit
> soon?
>
> 73, John N1JM
>
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[David Fleming via Elecraft]

Yes.. No worries. All new releases of the Mac and Linux versions of the 
Elecraft Utilities will be 64-bit. As a result, OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard) will 
no longer be supported and users of 32-bit Linux will need to upgrade to a 
64-bit distro. This will be a gradual process as new revisions of the Utilities 
are released.

Out of curiosity, is anyone still using OS X 10.6?

David, W4SMT




On Thursday, April 12, 2018, 1:26:56 AM EDT, John_N1JM  
wrote: 

Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64 bit
soon?

73, John N1JM



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[Elecraft] 32 bit Elecraft Utility Apps

[John_N1JM]

Apple is starting to push 64 bit apps on the Mac. Will these change to 64 bit
soon?

73, John N1JM



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