Re: [Elecraft] Documentation to import k2 kit

2011-03-03 Thread duduf
"Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft"  a écrit :

> The -assembled- K3 also has a CE certificate that ships with the  
> radio to Europe.  PIf you need this, please email l...@elecraft.com  
> for information.
>
> 73, Eric  WA6HHQ
> www.elecraft.com

Hello everybody

Thanks to Help me.
With all your answers I have some info to make a solid folder. :o))
If you have CE conformity certificat I accept your offer.
As says Jeff there is some infos on
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:1999L0005:20031120:en:PDF
Annex 1

I wish you a good sunny friday.
73 de jm kx1 user

fk8et


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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation to import k2 kit

2011-03-03 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
The -assembled- K3 also has a CE certificate that ships with the radio 
to Europe.  PIf you need this, please email l...@elecraft.com for 
information.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
www.elecraft.com
---

On 3/2/2011 11:53 PM, Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF wrote:
> Hi Jean Micheal,
>
> I refer you to 
> http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:1999L0005:20031120:en:PDF
> Read paragraph 1 of Annexe 1 and in particular take note of the second part 
> of that paragraph.
>
> ANNEX I
> EQUIPMENT NOT COVERED BY THIS DIRECTIVE AS REFERRED
> TO IN ARTICLE 1(4)
> 1. Radio equipment used by radio amateurs within Article 1, definition 53, of
> the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) radio regulations unless
> the equipment is available commercially.
> Kits of components to be assembled by radio amateurs and commercial
> equipment modified by and for the use of radio amateurs are not regarded
> as commercially available equipment.
>
> Buy yourself a K3 kit, it appears to be exempt from the EC marking 
> requirement.
>
>

> - Original Message -
> From: Jean Michel&  Marina Dufermon
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:02 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Documentation to import k2 kit
>
> Hi
>
> I'm Jean Michel fk8et.
> I would like to import a K2 kit.
> The french administration who control all the Hams and give
> import permit for transceiver ask me a CE declaration of conformity.
> Do you have this document or one similar to prepare my folder.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation to import k2 kit

2011-03-03 Thread Curt Milton
Jean Michel

If you cannot figure it out, I suggest contacting Elecraft for info - as maybe 
they have already addressed this (in particular if it is a requirement for most 
of Europe and related places).  


The K2 is a nice rig, and of course many will want to make contact with you 
from 
FK.  Also if you email me direct, I will be glad to share from my K2 
building/operating experience

73 Curt WB8YYY



- Original Message 
From: Jean Michel & Marina Dufermon 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thu, March 3, 2011 2:02:26 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] Documentation to import k2 kit

Hi

I'm Jean Michel fk8et.
I would like to import a K2 kit.
The french administration who control all the Hams and give 
import permit for transceiver ask me a CE declaration of conformity.
Do you have this document or one similar to prepare my folder.

Your faithfully

73 de jm


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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation to import k2 kit

2011-03-02 Thread Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Hi Jean Micheal,

I refer you to 
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CONSLEG:1999L0005:20031120:en:PDF
Read paragraph 1 of Annexe 1 and in particular take note of the second part of 
that paragraph.

ANNEX I
EQUIPMENT NOT COVERED BY THIS DIRECTIVE AS REFERRED
TO IN ARTICLE 1(4)
1. Radio equipment used by radio amateurs within Article 1, definition 53, of
the International Telecommunications Union (ITU) radio regulations unless
the equipment is available commercially.
Kits of components to be assembled by radio amateurs and commercial
equipment modified by and for the use of radio amateurs are not regarded
as commercially available equipment.

Buy yourself a K3 kit, it appears to be exempt from the EC marking requirement.

Jeff Cochrane - VK4BOF
Innisfail, QLD, Australia
Elecraft K3# 4257 + PR6 - K144XV = multiband goodness!

- Original Message - 
From: Jean Michel & Marina Dufermon 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 5:02 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Documentation to import k2 kit


Hi

I'm Jean Michel fk8et.
I would like to import a K2 kit.
The french administration who control all the Hams and give 
import permit for transceiver ask me a CE declaration of conformity.
Do you have this document or one similar to prepare my folder.

Your faithfully

73 de jm

 
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[Elecraft] Documentation to import k2 kit

2011-03-02 Thread Jean Michel & Marina Dufermon
Hi

I'm Jean Michel fk8et.
I would like to import a K2 kit.
The french administration who control all the Hams and give 
import permit for transceiver ask me a CE declaration of conformity.
Do you have this document or one similar to prepare my folder.

Your faithfully

73 de jm

 
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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation [Thread Closed]

2010-12-10 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
This thread and related ones were closed earlier -yesterday- to prevent list
overload. Please let i take a rest. If it continues we'll have to turn on the 
list moderate mode, something we rarely do.

73, Eric  WA6HHQ
Elecraft list moderator



On 12/10/2010 10:54 AM, george fritkin wrote:
> No. No. What Elecraft should do is publish all of its source including the
> programing notes and use that as the manual. And then offer the "NIFTY MANUAL"
> as another part of the documentation you get with the radio.  That should make
> guys at both ends of the documentation spectrum happy.
>
> Personally, I find the radio so intuitive you do not need the manual 
> especially
> if you built it as the so called kit.  The only time I read the manual is 
> when I
> retire to my "executive office" in the house.
>
> Let them design more excellent products, we will muddle through the
> documentation.
>
> George, W6GF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ____
> From: "Edward Dickinson, III"
> To:
> Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 10:41:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Documentation
>
> Hi Gary,
>
> Amen.
>
> I don't look to Elecraft for matters such as Education and Tutorials.
>
>
> 73,
> Dick - KA5KKT
>
> -Original Message-
> --
>
> Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if someone stepped up to project-manage a
> supplemental re-write of the K3 documentation!  Handled properly, it need
> not reflect negatively on Elecraft and I would have to guess that it would
> represent a first within the amateur radio community.
>
> 73,
>  Gary, VE1RGB
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation

2010-12-10 Thread Andrew Faber
There is, or was, a K3 wiki. This would seem to be an ideal vehicle for the 
desired user manual.  Win-Test has a wiki.
 73, andy, ae6y
- Original Message - 
From: "gary bartlett" 
To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Documentation


>I have also been one of those who has bugged Wayne about what I thought was
> a less than adequate operating manual for the K3 (not realizing, of 
> course,
> that he was the author).
>
> Speaking as an EE who has been a ham for more than 50 years, my background
> is systems integration in the aerospace industry and try as I might, I
> cannot keep up with the kind of technology that is contained within the
> chassis of the K3.  The manual has been written at too high a level for 
> me.
> It is adequate for me to operate the K3 as an appliance but I yearn for
> something with a bit more technical and operating detail than that.
>
> Wayne's response was something to the effect that perhaps someone would
> volunteer from the user's group to lead a project to add the necessary
> detail.  Given the unreasonable level of effort that Elecraft would have 
> to
> contribute to make us all happy with their documentation and given the
> awesome amount of talent represented by the K3 user community, that seemed
> to me to be a reasonable thought.
>
> That would represent a huge effort but the subject matter experts are all
> here and the technical writers are all here and I look at any perceived
> shortcomings in Elecraft documentation as an opportunity for all of us 
> proud
> K3 owners and Elecraft supporters to give the company back a little
> something in return for what they have done for us.
>
> Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if someone stepped up to project-manage a
> supplemental re-write of the K3 documentation!  Handled properly, it need
> not reflect negatively on Elecraft and I would have to guess that it would
> represent a first within the amateur radio community.
>
> 73,
> Gary, VE1RGB
>
> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward Dickinson, 
> III
> Sent: December 10, 2010 1:27 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Documentation
>
>
> The names and email addresses of most of those contributing to the
> documentation discussion are known.  It shouldn't be difficult to draw up 
> a
> list of those interested in offering their thoughts on improvements.  It
> seems some have the time to make extended commentary on the matter.  Other
> contributors might be solicited from the mail list.
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation

2010-12-10 Thread george fritkin
No. No. What Elecraft should do is publish all of its source including the 
programing notes and use that as the manual. And then offer the "NIFTY MANUAL" 
as another part of the documentation you get with the radio.  That should make 
guys at both ends of the documentation spectrum happy.

Personally, I find the radio so intuitive you do not need the manual especially 
if you built it as the so called kit.  The only time I read the manual is when 
I 
retire to my "executive office" in the house.

Let them design more excellent products, we will muddle through the 
documentation.

George, W6GF 










From: "Edward Dickinson, III" 
To:
Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 10:41:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Documentation

Hi Gary,

Amen.  

I don't look to Elecraft for matters such as Education and Tutorials.


73,
Dick - KA5KKT

-Original Message-
--

Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if someone stepped up to project-manage a
supplemental re-write of the K3 documentation!  Handled properly, it need
not reflect negatively on Elecraft and I would have to guess that it would
represent a first within the amateur radio community.

73,
Gary, VE1RGB


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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation

2010-12-10 Thread John E. Reiser
I thought Eric Ended all these threads related to documentation a couple 
days ago.  Personally, I find them irritating.

John, W2GW


- Original Message - 
From: "Edward Dickinson, III" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Documentation


> Hi Gary,
>
> Amen.
>
> I don't look to Elecraft for matters such as Education and Tutorials.
>
>
> 73,
> Dick - KA5KKT
>
> -Original Message-
> --
>
> Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if someone stepped up to project-manage a
> supplemental re-write of the K3 documentation!  Handled properly, it need
> not reflect negatively on Elecraft and I would have to guess that it would
> represent a first within the amateur radio community.
>
> 73,
> Gary, VE1RGB
>
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation

2010-12-10 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
Hi Gary,

Amen.  

I don't look to Elecraft for matters such as Education and Tutorials.


73,
Dick - KA5KKT

-Original Message-
--

Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if someone stepped up to project-manage a
supplemental re-write of the K3 documentation!  Handled properly, it need
not reflect negatively on Elecraft and I would have to guess that it would
represent a first within the amateur radio community.

73,
Gary, VE1RGB


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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation

2010-12-10 Thread gary bartlett
I have also been one of those who has bugged Wayne about what I thought was
a less than adequate operating manual for the K3 (not realizing, of course,
that he was the author).  

Speaking as an EE who has been a ham for more than 50 years, my background
is systems integration in the aerospace industry and try as I might, I
cannot keep up with the kind of technology that is contained within the
chassis of the K3.  The manual has been written at too high a level for me.
It is adequate for me to operate the K3 as an appliance but I yearn for
something with a bit more technical and operating detail than that.

Wayne's response was something to the effect that perhaps someone would
volunteer from the user's group to lead a project to add the necessary
detail.  Given the unreasonable level of effort that Elecraft would have to
contribute to make us all happy with their documentation and given the
awesome amount of talent represented by the K3 user community, that seemed
to me to be a reasonable thought.

That would represent a huge effort but the subject matter experts are all
here and the technical writers are all here and I look at any perceived
shortcomings in Elecraft documentation as an opportunity for all of us proud
K3 owners and Elecraft supporters to give the company back a little
something in return for what they have done for us.  

Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if someone stepped up to project-manage a
supplemental re-write of the K3 documentation!  Handled properly, it need
not reflect negatively on Elecraft and I would have to guess that it would
represent a first within the amateur radio community.

73,
Gary, VE1RGB

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward Dickinson, III
Sent: December 10, 2010 1:27 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Documentation


The names and email addresses of most of those contributing to the
documentation discussion are known.  It shouldn't be difficult to draw up a
list of those interested in offering their thoughts on improvements.  It
seems some have the time to make extended commentary on the matter.  Other
contributors might be solicited from the mail list.


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[Elecraft] Documentation

2010-12-10 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
With all the communications here on the list, there are a number of ideas on
how to improve perceived shortcomings of the K3 (other?) documentation.

Elecraft is busy with product and firmware development and just plain
running the business and maintaining profitability.  Perhaps they can't
score an A+ as measured by all users of their products in every aspect of
their endeavor.

The names and email addresses of most of those contributing to the
documentation discussion are known.  It shouldn't be difficult to draw up a
list of those interested in offering their thoughts on improvements.  It
seems some have the time to make extended commentary on the matter.  Other
contributors might be solicited from the mail list.

Some might take the opportunity to step forward and lead an effort via
direct email among the interested people to turn the energy of the
discussion of what's wrong and the better ways of documentation into
actually implementing them.

Beginning with the existing K3 or other Owner's Manual, overhauling it as
deemed necessary and allowing for editorial oversight by Elecraft might move
the matter further towards realization of a 'better manual' than the open
mailing list discussions and calling upon Elecraft to implement them.


73,
Dick - KA5KKT

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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation and Personal Experience

2010-12-10 Thread Tommy Alderman
[Coming from a 'young salt' who has 59 years devoted to amateur radio and
the electronics industry - and still learning new things. I saw a blonde
yesterday --- sorry, wrong subject!]

Great piece Jim. Really enjoyed it!

Unfortunately you seemed to have missed one important change, a change that
completely negates your and my understanding of how things should work. I
think it is true that at the turn of the century, things changed. The term
'gimmie' became more dominant to the USA folks than the term 'work'.

73,
Tom - W4BQF


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JAMES ROGERS
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2010 6:43 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Documentation and Personal Experience

This comes from an "old salt" with a lot of years (57) devoted to  
amateur radio and still learning new things.

1) Everyones environment is different. Different noise sources, a big  
high power station a block away, rain static that will be gone  
tomorrow... just different.
2) You have a right to expect a manual to describe the "tools" offered  
in such a manner that you can by trial optimize your "system" for your  
environment.
3) If there are terms you are unfamiliar with in the manual, then  
there is this reflector, there is wikipedia, there is the ARRL, tons  
of resources awaiting your expenditure of effort on your behalf.
4) Realize that each problem you solve via your effort, is valuable.  
You have learned something about the "tools" you used. You have  
valuable information that you can acquire from memory later on to use  
when the environment changes. I have long kept spiral notebooks where  
I record information about RFI, option setups, the effectiveness of  
particular tools etc.
5) Recognize that the learning curve never ever goes away. What works  
for me might get you a leg up, but very likely is just that, a  
starting point. There is nothing that compares with the grey matter  
between your ears and the effort you expend on your behalf.
6) Face the fact that there are us old salts who are more than willing  
to "pontificate" on any subject, but you must realize, we also have  
feet of clay. Our opinions are rarely objective and tend to be very  
subjective, in other words we frequently miss it.
7) If there were a majic formula to allow you to just click a button  
and have instantaneous perfection in the resolution of a problem it  
would not be applicable to Joe down the block. So we need to keep the  
"tools" flexible, adjustable, variable. You and I work out the  
formula  for the best combination of tools available that best suits  
our needs.
8) Finally, give your brain a chance. I have a friend that is a world  
class CW op. (I am so envious!) I was explaining to him all of the  
filters, noise reduction etc. as he sat down to use my K3. His first  
act was to switch to the widest filter, no DUAL PB, or APF and start  
busting pileups. I could discern nothing from the jumble of signals  
eminating from the K3, but Jerry, well he was in "hog heaven". He was  
selecting the signal he wanted to hear with a far better filter than  
Wayne and Eric can supply, The human mind and the five senses. And  
that comes with experience. I am still working on that.

What a wonderful hobby we enjoy. Challenging, Educational, Rewarding.

73s JIM ROGERS
w4...@bellsouth.net
http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk




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[Elecraft] Documentation and Personal Experience

2010-12-10 Thread JAMES ROGERS
This comes from an "old salt" with a lot of years (57) devoted to  
amateur radio and still learning new things.

1) Everyones environment is different. Different noise sources, a big  
high power station a block away, rain static that will be gone  
tomorrow... just different.
2) You have a right to expect a manual to describe the "tools" offered  
in such a manner that you can by trial optimize your "system" for your  
environment.
3) If there are terms you are unfamiliar with in the manual, then  
there is this reflector, there is wikipedia, there is the ARRL, tons  
of resources awaiting your expenditure of effort on your behalf.
4) Realize that each problem you solve via your effort, is valuable.  
You have learned something about the "tools" you used. You have  
valuable information that you can acquire from memory later on to use  
when the environment changes. I have long kept spiral notebooks where  
I record information about RFI, option setups, the effectiveness of  
particular tools etc.
5) Recognize that the learning curve never ever goes away. What works  
for me might get you a leg up, but very likely is just that, a  
starting point. There is nothing that compares with the grey matter  
between your ears and the effort you expend on your behalf.
6) Face the fact that there are us old salts who are more than willing  
to "pontificate" on any subject, but you must realize, we also have  
feet of clay. Our opinions are rarely objective and tend to be very  
subjective, in other words we frequently miss it.
7) If there were a majic formula to allow you to just click a button  
and have instantaneous perfection in the resolution of a problem it  
would not be applicable to Joe down the block. So we need to keep the  
"tools" flexible, adjustable, variable. You and I work out the  
formula  for the best combination of tools available that best suits  
our needs.
8) Finally, give your brain a chance. I have a friend that is a world  
class CW op. (I am so envious!) I was explaining to him all of the  
filters, noise reduction etc. as he sat down to use my K3. His first  
act was to switch to the widest filter, no DUAL PB, or APF and start  
busting pileups. I could discern nothing from the jumble of signals  
eminating from the K3, but Jerry, well he was in "hog heaven". He was  
selecting the signal he wanted to hear with a far better filter than  
Wayne and Eric can supply, The human mind and the five senses. And  
that comes with experience. I am still working on that.

What a wonderful hobby we enjoy. Challenging, Educational, Rewarding.

73s JIM ROGERS
w4...@bellsouth.net
http://web.me.com/jimrogers_w4atk




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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation corrections

2007-12-10 Thread Ken K3IU

Ian:

If it is an assembly manual, send it to Ron D'Eau Claire, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If it is the Operation/Owner's Manual, send it to Wayne, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

73,
Ken K3IU

Ian J Maude wrote:

Who should I address K3 documentation typo's etc to please?

Ian


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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation corrections

2007-12-10 Thread Jack Brindle
Oh, worse than that. As my librarian YF (KB4TGE) points out, it  
should start with "To whom" and NOT have a preposition at the end...


Now back to our originally scheduled Elecraft discussions...

On Dec 10, 2007, at 7:26 AM, Ian J Maude wrote:


Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:

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- Original Message - From: "Ian J Maude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Who should I address K3 documentation typo's etc to please?
You missed one Mr Clever :-)  It should have been 'whom' not 'who'  
as well :-))


Get fixing bugs you!

Ian

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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation corrections

2007-12-10 Thread Ian J Maude

Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:

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Simon Brown, HB9DRV

- Original Message - From: "Ian J Maude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Who should I address K3 documentation typo's etc to please?
You missed one Mr Clever :-)  It should have been 'whom' not 'who' as 
well :-))


Get fixing bugs you!

Ian

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Member RSGB, GQRP
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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation corrections

2007-12-10 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
Right, there really is one too!

I think Ron would probably be your best bet


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Re: [Elecraft] Documentation corrections

2007-12-10 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)

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[Elecraft] Documentation corrections

2007-12-10 Thread Ian J Maude

Who should I address K3 documentation typo's etc to please?

Ian

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