Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 - WiFi ability

2019-05-21 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
Nearly every SoHo "router" can be put in Bridge Mode, and routers are 
nearly always cheaper.


On 5/21/2019 11:04 AM, rv6amark via Elecraft wrote:

Re:  "...and work like a bridge between the two network...Like this one for example...I 
have been using a similar product (Netgear WINCE2001) for years on my home alarm system with 
no problems.  They add WiFi capability to any device that has an Ethernet port.  Be sure to 
follow the configuration instructions CAREFULLY.  Search for "WiFi Ethernet  
bridge".   Sadly, the price of this Netgear device has doubled (now $200 USD on Amazon) 
since I bought mine.  Happily, cheaper devices are finally on the market.Mark,KE6BB
...and work like a bridge between the two network. In this way, maybe, you can connect the K4 to the wifi 
in a more "natural" way.Like this one for 
example:https://www.amazon.com/Vonets-VAR11N-300-Multi-Functional-Wireless-Portable/dp/B01199OGK0/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1_sspa?keywords=vonets+VAR11+N-300&qid=1558431899&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1Best
 regards, Graziano Roccon IW2NOY / W2NOY
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 - WiFi ability

2019-05-21 Thread rv6amark via Elecraft
Re:  "...and work like a bridge between the two network...Like this one for 
example...I have been using a similar product (Netgear WINCE2001) for years on 
my home alarm system with no problems.  They add WiFi capability to any device 
that has an Ethernet port.  Be sure to follow the configuration instructions 
CAREFULLY.  Search for "WiFi Ethernet  bridge".   Sadly, the price of this 
Netgear device has doubled (now $200 USD on Amazon) since I bought mine.  
Happily, cheaper devices are finally on the market.Mark,KE6BB
...and work like a bridge between the two network. In this way, maybe, you can 
connect the K4 to the wifi in a more "natural" way.Like this one for 
example:https://www.amazon.com/Vonets-VAR11N-300-Multi-Functional-Wireless-Portable/dp/B01199OGK0/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1_sspa?keywords=vonets+VAR11+N-300&qid=1558431899&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1Best
 regards, Graziano Roccon IW2NOY / W2NOY
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K4 - WiFi ability

2019-05-21 Thread Grant Youngman
There were a couple of comments by Wayne during some pre-announcement 
“speculation” on the K4.  If my memory serves me correctly the discussion was 
around the possibility of there being a Linux machine in the radio.

Presuming there is in fact s Linux machine in the K4, then it is probably 
tasked with managing I/O and networking, in addition to the remote connection 
server, and whatever else.  So there would be a standard OS type available for 
managing thing like a wireless adapter.

Guesswork of course, since (at least in the videos I saw) there was no explicit 
discussion of the network environment in the booth or exactly how the K4 was 
connected to the wireless network.  Wayne did comment that they were using the 
infrastructure installed at the hamfest facility.  But there was clearly a 
wireless connection to the Microsoft table computer, which was running client 
side remote software in a Linux virtual machine.

Eventually, there will be block diagrams of the control/processing structure in 
the radio .. and more will be known.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> 
> 
> this is not good for K4. These products are thought to be manage by operative 
> systems and drivers (like Windows or Mac or Linux), this is not the case of 
> the K4 that have a custom "OS" and can't manage that kind of devices.
> Maybe you can use more complicated and expensive devices thought to be used 
> with RJ-45 ports, 

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[Elecraft] Elecraft K4 - WiFi ability

2019-05-21 Thread Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY)

Hello,

this is not good for K4. These products are thought to be manage by 
operative systems and drivers (like Windows or Mac or Linux), this is 
not the case of the K4 that have a custom "OS" and can't manage that 
kind of devices.
Maybe you can use more complicated and expensive devices thought to be 
used with RJ-45 ports, where this device use a DHCP and give an ip 
address to the RJ-45 port creating a private network between the RJ-45 
and the device, afterwards the device can access the WIFI network with 
his wifi adapter and work like a bridge between the two network. In this 
way, maybe, you can connect the K4 to the wifi in a more "natural" way.


Like this one for example:
https://www.amazon.com/Vonets-VAR11N-300-Multi-Functional-Wireless-Portable/dp/B01199OGK0/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_1_sspa?keywords=vonets+VAR11+N-300&qid=1558431899&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull-spons&psc=1

Best regards, Graziano Roccon IW2NOY / W2NOY



Il 21/05/2019 06:26 Alan ha scritto:

For less than $10 you can buy a little WiFi adapter that plugs into a
USB port.  For example:

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-TL-WN725N-wireless-network-Adapter/dp/B008IFXQFU/


Alan N1AL


On 5/20/19 8:24 PM, Brian Denley wrote:

Wayne:
When you mention that the K4 has Ethernet (which means cables to me), 
it must also have WiFi if you can control with tablets, no?


Brian
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

On May 20, 2019, at 8:39 PM, Wayne Burdick  wrote:


Charlie, K3ICH, wrote:

OK, So why should I [pejorative deleted] my IC-7610 for a K4?


Hi Charlie,

The '7610 is an impressive and capable radio. We have one in our shop 
and have put it on the air.


It's a bit of apples/oranges comparison to the K4, though. Since you 
asked ... here are some K4 characteristics to consider:


* Controls -- The K4's UI is quite different, borrowing heavily from 
the K3, but with an infusion of versatility due to the 7" display. It 
has the widest available viewing angle and is very bright. (K4 
tire-kickers at Dayton were extremely complimentary about the 
display, which was gratifying after 200 or so iterations on the 
concept drawing by yours truly.) There are three multifunction knobs 
(not just one), each mapped to a semantic group, e.g. "XMIT". Their 
functions adapt to the current operating mode, etc. On the right side 
of the radio there are three 400-count, ball-bearing drive optical 
shaft encoders, for VFO A, VFO B, and RIT/XIT offset. No need to 
multi-task one or two controls. Bottom line: ease of use. If you do 
get stuck, there's a built-in help system.


* Dynamic range -- The K4 is a direct-sampling, dual-receiver radio 
in its base configuration. But those in high-signal environments can 
add the dual superhet module to realize a 20 to 25 dB improvement in 
headroom (blocking dynamic range) over any radio that is 
direct-sampling only. This is the same delta as, for example, a K3S 
vs. any other non-superhet on Sherwood's list.


* Portability -- The K4 weighs only about 10 pounds, draws only about 
2 amps on RX, and can run down to 11 volts. It will try to drag you 
off to a Field Day site or remote island if not bolted to your desk.


• Remote control -- The K4 comes with remote-control via Ethernet 
built in. One K4 can controlled by another, or by a tablet or PC. 
Eric must have demonstrated this 500 times at Dayton and I daresay 
he's getting good at it.


* Modularity -- We segregated the K4's modules in such a way as to 
facilitate easy update to units in the field if/when new tech becomes 
available. For example, we could quickly and cost-effectively 
incorporate a new ADC or DAC. Call it planned non-obsolescence. This 
the 20th anniversary of the K2, and the 10th anniversary of the K3. 
Both are still shipping.


* Extensibility -- In addition to the HDR module, the user will be 
able to add a VHF/UHF module, which in turn could morph in the 
future. This philosophy extends to software as well, given the K4's 
general-purpose computing module [not Windows]. I like to think of it 
as our "app engine," limited only by the imagination of our software 
team and other talented contributors.


* External monitor output -- HDMI, not DVI. (To each his own?)

* Tuning aid -- The "mini-pan" is one of our favorite features of the 
K4. When you tap on a signal you don't just get a geometric 
magnification of the main panadapter's pixels; you get a re-sampled, 
high-resolution spectral display of as narrow as +/- 1 kHz (varying 
per mode). This is great for signal auto-spotting and left/right peak 
search. The mini-pan is per-receiver and can either be turned on 
automatically or by tapping either S-meter.


• IO -- The K4's IO is a superset of the K3's, meaning it comes with 
all of the analog and control I/O you might need as well as 4 USB 
ports, Ethernet, etc.


* Antenna sources -- There are up to 3 ATU antenna jacks and up to 5 
receive antenna inputs.


73,
Wayne
N6KR






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