Hi all, it is very sorry the annoucement regarding the end of the Hilberling PT-8000. I do agree 100% with Ian, GM3SEK, comments.
I feel so sorry for Hans Hilberling, DK7LG, too, a very good and open amteur and manager. I met him at the international amateur radio exhibiton in Germany in 2006 and appreciated the PT8000 design and quality of product. I told Hans that a quality like his applied to the well know Jap Black Boxes would risetheir price a least double or more. It is not much a CE problem. Althought not much is done with EMC, in Italy some Hams that have bought radio or equipment directly from China or asia are being informed that these are not allowed to be imported not having a CE mark and registration, some ari sized and some are returned to senders. I do not remember if Elecraft K3 as an assembled equipment has been checked for CE ... I know TT Orion is OK. 73 Gian I7SWX >> Message: 29 > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:20:40 +0100 > From: Ian White GM3SEK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 canceled - > let me get > this straight > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed > > Don Wilhelm wrote: > >DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: > >> Methinks there is more afoot than meets the eye. > > >The announcement did *not* say that they did not meet > standards, nor > >did they say that the standards were too high - they > did say that they > >did not expect to meet the standards in production > units at a cost > >they considered reasonable (whether those are EU > compliance standards > >or internal company quality standards, it makes no > difference). Quote: > >"However, guaranteeing this high standard without > limitations in a > >series production program with many vendors runs into > difficulties > >which cannot be overcome at a cost level which is still > acceptable." > > > >The engineers produced a product that was not > reproducible within > >budget. > > Don's final sentence puts his finger right on the > problem. > > In a product of such high quality, it would be surprising > if there was > any difficulty in meeting EU compliance standards. However, > if > production difficulties required repeated design changes, > the costs of > mandatory re-testing would have to be recovered from the > final selling > price. > > It's a great pity that the PT-8000 could not be brought > into full > production, because the world always needs new and > different ideas. No > doubt the ideas from the PT-8000 - along with the hard > commercial > lessons - will be re-absorbed into Hilberling's highly > successful > commercial and military products, but it would have been so > much better > if those ideas had been out on the market to inspire and > challenge other > designers. > > Above all, I feel so sorry for Hans Hilberling, DK7LG, > because this > project was his own personal "baby" to put some > of his company's > commercial success back into amateur radio. (See > http://www.hilberling.de/ and click on "Ham > Radio".) > > It's a story that must give Wayne and Eric a shiver > down the spine. > > > > -- > > 73 from Ian GM3SEK > http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 30 > Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 08:32:43 +0100 > From: Stewart Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] Hilberling PT-8000 cancelled. > To: Brendan Minish > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Elecraft > <Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > All fine in principle, but here in the UK, nobody is > enforcing the > EMC legislation. Maybe Ireland is more fortunate. > > 73 > Stewart G3RXQ > Member RSGB EMC Committee > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 01:45:54 +0100, Brendan Minish wrote: > > On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 13:29 -0700, Alan Bloom wrote: > >> However, I believe Europe also has SUSCEPTABILITY > >> requirements which the FCC does not. That is a > good thing for > radio > >> amateurs, or anyone who operates a transmitter. > >> > > In Europe we do have ingress limits for consumer > equipment and > indeed > > they are set high enough to be useful to protect the > transmitting > > amateur from many of the issues surrounding badly > engineered > consumer > > devices. > > > > Our CE rules also set emissions limits for consumer > devices but > unlike > > FCC part b the liability for any remaining issues to > radio users > EVEN > > where a device is fully CE compliant remains with the > manufacturer or > > importer, not with the consumer that owns the device. > > > > CE compliance does not assume compliance with the EMC > directive > (article > > 4a is the relevant section for us) > > > > "the electromagnetic disturbance it generates > does not exceed a > level > > allowing radio and telecommunications equipment and > other > apparatus to > > operate as intended" > > > > no minimum limit is set for this condition to presumed > to be > met. > > > > This is actually great deal of protection for amateurs > since > even a > > fully CE complaint device that is causing interference > to a > radio user's > > normal operation must be resolved by the manufacturer > or > importer, not > > the hapless consumer that bought the device without > knowledge > that it > > was going to cause an issue for the 'radio ham > next door' > > > > > > the EMC directive is available to read here > > > http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/electr_equipment/emc/directiv/tex > t.htm > > > > > > 73 > > EI6IZ (EMC representative for the IRTS) > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > You must be a subscriber to post. > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 51, Issue 43 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. 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