RE: Re: [Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK)
And I thought it was -- Parcel Farce 73 Peter GM8GAX ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: Re: [Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK)
English was never my best subject, but... I think he had it right first time round... it's their name, rather than two words... As per their web site: C Copyright Parcelforce Worldwide 2008. All Rights Reserved (that is unless the royal mail got it wrong as well?) 73 Andy http://www.gd0tep.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 24 November 2008 12:45 To: David Honey; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: Re: [Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK) I agree with all you say, except spelling of Parcel Force... David G3UNA > > From: David Honey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2008/11/24 Mon AM 11:45:26 GMT > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK) > > I think it also depends on the point of entry and where the customs > centre is located. > Parcelforce International have a big clearing centre where all > internal packages arrive. > Unfortunately, as I was told by a customs officer there, their > computer system does not > accept the full TARIC code. So the officer enters the first N digits. > In some cases, the > rate of duty varies between the exact codes of that group, so they > charge the highest > duty of the group. > > This is not a problem that suppliers and shippers can solve. It's > systemic in the poor way in > which the IT support that supports customs within Parcelforce > International works. So even > though Elecraft uses the correct code and this is demonstrably > correct, you still get charged. > > This happened to me when I ordered the KPA100 option. It took 2 > months to get my money > back. If you use a courier such as UPS, DHL etc, their customs > clearance processes are > usually better. > > So I'm afraid there is little that you can do about this other than > pursue wrongful > charges vigorously to get your money back. I wrote a letter of > complaint, but other > than letting off steam, I doubt it had any real effect. Perhaps if > everyone who suffered > the same fate did likewise, someone in customs in Parcelforce might > take notice. > Until then, remember the old motto: Nils carborundum illegitemae. > > vy 73 de David M0DHO > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 23/11/2008 18:59 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK)
I agree with all you say, except spelling of Parcel Force... David G3UNA > > From: David Honey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2008/11/24 Mon AM 11:45:26 GMT > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK) > > I think it also depends on the point of entry and where the customs > centre is located. > Parcelforce International have a big clearing centre where all > internal packages arrive. > Unfortunately, as I was told by a customs officer there, their > computer system does not > accept the full TARIC code. So the officer enters the first N digits. > In some cases, the > rate of duty varies between the exact codes of that group, so they > charge the highest > duty of the group. > > This is not a problem that suppliers and shippers can solve. It's > systemic in the poor way in > which the IT support that supports customs within Parcelforce > International works. So even > though Elecraft uses the correct code and this is demonstrably > correct, you still get charged. > > This happened to me when I ordered the KPA100 option. It took 2 > months to get my money > back. If you use a courier such as UPS, DHL etc, their customs > clearance processes are > usually better. > > So I'm afraid there is little that you can do about this other than > pursue wrongful > charges vigorously to get your money back. I wrote a letter of > complaint, but other > than letting off steam, I doubt it had any real effect. Perhaps if > everyone who suffered > the same fate did likewise, someone in customs in Parcelforce might > take notice. > Until then, remember the old motto: Nils carborundum illegitemae. > > vy 73 de David M0DHO > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK)
Hallo, I think it also depends on the point of entry and where the customs centre is located. Up to now my experience has been, if it has been sent via regular mail (USPS, Deutsche Post, DHL), then customs is often . Via UPS, til now, I haven't had any problems. But of course my personal sample size is very small... vy 73 de toby ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK)
I think it also depends on the point of entry and where the customs centre is located. Parcelforce International have a big clearing centre where all internal packages arrive. Unfortunately, as I was told by a customs officer there, their computer system does not accept the full TARIC code. So the officer enters the first N digits. In some cases, the rate of duty varies between the exact codes of that group, so they charge the highest duty of the group. This is not a problem that suppliers and shippers can solve. It's systemic in the poor way in which the IT support that supports customs within Parcelforce International works. So even though Elecraft uses the correct code and this is demonstrably correct, you still get charged. This happened to me when I ordered the KPA100 option. It took 2 months to get my money back. If you use a courier such as UPS, DHL etc, their customs clearance processes are usually better. So I'm afraid there is little that you can do about this other than pursue wrongful charges vigorously to get your money back. I wrote a letter of complaint, but other than letting off steam, I doubt it had any real effect. Perhaps if everyone who suffered the same fate did likewise, someone in customs in Parcelforce might take notice. Until then, remember the old motto: Nils carborundum illegitemae. vy 73 de David M0DHO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
AW: [Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK)
I am not sure if there are not some misunderstandings. European VAT is a type of TAX, each country has different VAT values e.g. Germany 19%, UK 17,5% If you import something from a non EC country like USA you have to pay your local VAT anyway. IF you import from inside EC there is NO extra VAT because the user price of the article includes the VAT of the country where you buy it. As an Addon you have to pay Custom for some Articles. Custom fee is a method the government uses to defend the own industry against cheap products from the rest of the world. If you must pay custom duty or not for a specific article is defined in the TARIC catalogue. TARIC is a catalogue of declarations which are harmonized for the EC. Most Ham Radio articles are custom free. Of course Elecraft is using the correct harmonized TARIC Numbers for custom classifications. Because we are getting at least 2 Elecraft shipments per month for QRPproject, I check these numbers monthly and I report any change to Elecraft. BUT it very often depends on the today performance of the custom officer. e.g. The KAT 3 is per definition an internal part of the K3, so the TARIC number for Other Parts of a Transmitter is ok and this number says NO Custom, only VAT to pay. But in the big TARIC catalogue you find some numbers belonging to different stuff with the word Antenna in it´s name. Some of this stuff is NOT custom free. If the custom officer has a friendly day, he accepts the Elecraft declaration, he believes them to be honest. An other day, (his personal unfriendly day) he does not believe the declaration, he is sure it´s a part of an Antenna and you have to pay custom fee. To be honest, I must say it´s not easy for the custom officers. The TARIC book is a 30cmx20xcm x5cm, printed in small fonts. I think it contains several thousand product descriptions. I had a lot of funny declarations in the past, the best one: parts for an Elecraft K2 have been declared as parts for a bath room by custom officer J In the mean I accept wrong declaration because it is much more expensive to start a 6 Month war against the custom burocracy then paying the 2-5% custom fee. 73 de Peter, DL2FI www.QRPproject.de Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von David Andrews Gesendet: Montag, 24. November 2008 10:04 An: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Betreff: [Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK) VAT on the K3 kit is payable but not import tax. The latter depends on the accuracy of the code numbers supplied by Elecraft, and Ive always found these absolutely right. UK Customs unfortunately often cant be bothered checking the full number in their book (also on the web) and they have charged import tax on two out of three occasions. Its a real slog claiming it back all the paper work is needed bureaucracy at its very worst. David G4CWB >I keep misunderstanding the difference between import tax and VAT. I >"thought" that kits were absolved of one but not the other. Perhaps you >could clarify. >David >G3UNA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Import tax and VAT (UK)
VAT on the K3 kit is payable but not import tax. The latter depends on the accuracy of the 'code' numbers supplied by Elecraft, and I've always found these absolutely right. UK Customs unfortunately often can't be bothered checking the full number in their book (also on the web) and they have charged import tax on two out of three occasions. It's a real slog claiming it back - all the paper work is needed - bureaucracy at its very worst. David G4CWB >I keep misunderstanding the difference between import tax and VAT. I >"thought" that kits were absolved of one but not the other. Perhaps you >could clarify. >David >G3UNA ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
