Re: [Elecraft] K2 and K3 Microphone Input Impedance

2011-01-11 Thread Jim Brown
On 1/6/2011 2:55 PM, George  Jan wrote:
 It is not critical at all - should be at least 10 times the microphone
 impedance.

Actually, the current applicable IEC Standard DEFINES the impedance of a 
microphone as 5X its rated load impedance. And yes, a higher input Z is 
better -- the rated impedance is a minimum value.  Most professional 
mics have an impedance of 150-250 ohms, and most pro mic inputs have an 
input impedance of at least 1K-1.5K ohms, and there are excellent 
technical reasons for values of 5K ohms or greater.

73, Jim Brown K9YC
Member, AES Standards Committee and WG on Microphones
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[Elecraft] K2 and K3 Microphone Input Impedance

2011-01-06 Thread John Huggins, kx4o
Wayne et al.

I am surveying various rigs to see what their microphone input impedance
values might be.

I note the K3 schematics show just about every audio path including the
microphone's path terminated in 10k ohms or so.

In the KSB2 I see 1k ohm (or 180 ohms if /ATTEN is asserted).

Was there a compelling reason for having different termination values, 10k
vs. 1k, between transceiver model lines?

Thanks.

John


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Re: [Elecraft] K2 and K3 Microphone Input Impedance

2011-01-06 Thread George Jan
John,
I would not select a radio on the input impedance of the microphone input!
It is not critical at all - should be at least 10 times the microphone 
impedance.

Pro-Audio from as far back as the antique Western Electric unbalanced 
systems of the 40s tend to be in the range of 1 k to 10 k. Mostly depends on 
what the designer wants to emphasize. Lower would tend to reduce noise 
pick-up. Higher would tend to load the mic less thus improving S/N. Probably 
neither value is significant.

George
AI4VZ

-Original Message- 
Was there a compelling reason for having different termination values, 10k
vs. 1k, between transceiver model lines?

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Re: [Elecraft] K2 and K3 Microphone Input Impedance

2011-01-06 Thread John
Rest assured George, the mic input Z is not a rig selection criteria for
me.  This is for a completely different item I am developing to adapt my
mics to various rigs including the K2 and K3.

John

On 1/6/2011 5:55 PM, George  Jan wrote:
 John,
 I would not select a radio on the input impedance of the microphone input!
 It is not critical at all - should be at least 10 times the microphone 
 impedance.
 
 Pro-Audio from as far back as the antique Western Electric unbalanced 
 systems of the 40s tend to be in the range of 1 k to 10 k. Mostly depends on 
 what the designer wants to emphasize. Lower would tend to reduce noise 
 pick-up. Higher would tend to load the mic less thus improving S/N. Probably 
 neither value is significant.
 
 George
 AI4VZ
 
 -Original Message- 
 Was there a compelling reason for having different termination values, 10k
 vs. 1k, between transceiver model lines?
 
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