Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
I believe a LONG time ago before I even had a radio I made a suggestion of a quick split that Wayne mentioned he was contemplating adding to the radio. I don't really remember how I'd structured it but I was hoping for a way where I could simply assume that the MHZ portion would remain the same and I could just enter the last 3 digits and not even have to hit enter. So when you hear this is JA7XYZ listening this frequency and 234 you simply hit split 234 and boom you're ready to start talking. For CW split I find its always smarter to lurk around and find the right spot to plop your bait. But I'm usually so slow at copying that its tough for me... hihi Thats why I'm often more of a rag chew guy when it comes to CW. But my hardcore CW buddies sure love playing with the K3 when they come over. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 11:25 -0800, Andrew Faber wrote: I can't recall which one, but I had a radio that worked exactly this way. My suggestion would be not to change existing button usage at all, but do as Vic suggests, and allow a programmable button to be set to a quick split, that would equalize frequency (or maybe put in a variable offset), turn on SUB and go into SPLIT mode. Then it could be used or ignored at will. 73, andy, ae6y - Original Message - From: Vic K2VCO v...@rakefet.com To: Bill W4ZV btipp...@alum.mit.edu Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split Bill W4ZV wrote: I also question the usefulness of Quick Split. You need to learn to tune your TX to anticipate where DX is actually listening rather than where he says he **says** he's listening. They are often not the same! The most important part of quick split is not the offset. I would be happy with an offset of zero, or an offset of don't change VFO B. What I want is one button that will (at least) activate SPLIT and SUB. This will prevent me from carefully finding the station the DX is working with the subreceiver and then calling him -- without activating SPLIT. Believe me, this is easy to do and very embarrassing. If I could have everything I want, it would do three things: A-B SUB SPLIT I would want this to be implemented as a programmable function key rather than an optional behavior for SPLIT, because there are times when I want SPLIT to be just SPLIT. One way to do it would be a menu entry that would let you choose an offset which could be zero or 'no change' and then assign it to a function key. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
Ken Kopp-3 wrote: My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the last worked station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler? It's simpler to use REV which is momentary so you don't TX on the DX station when you invariably forget to poke A/B again. After awhile you can learn to tune the pileup with your left pinky while also depressing REV with your left index finger. Kenwood introduced this concept with TF-SET in the TS-930S in the early 1980s and Icom copied it with XFC. I also question the usefulness of Quick Split. You need to learn to tune your TX to anticipate where DX is actually listening rather than where he says he **says** he's listening. They are often not the same! http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/Topband/2002-03/msg00011.html 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Feature-request-tp2331196p2341060.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
Now that I found the Diplay button, split is much easier. However it was nice to hit quick split and have the B VFO automatically = A VFO and have it jump up 5 or 10 KC. At that point I always tune for the last guy worked. The 5 or 10 KC split is just convenient. It is by no means a show stopper either way. A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may never get over. Ben Franklin -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill W4ZV Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:21 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split Ken Kopp-3 wrote: My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the last worked station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler? It's simpler to use REV which is momentary so you don't TX on the DX station when you invariably forget to poke A/B again. After awhile you can learn to tune the pileup with your left pinky while also depressing REV with your left index finger. Kenwood introduced this concept with TF-SET in the TS-930S in the early 1980s and Icom copied it with XFC. I also question the usefulness of Quick Split. You need to learn to tune your TX to anticipate where DX is actually listening rather than where he says he **says** he's listening. They are often not the same! http://lists.contesting.com/archives//html/Topband/2002-03/msg00011.html 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Feature-request-tp2331196p2341060.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
Bill W4ZV wrote: I also question the usefulness of Quick Split. You need to learn to tune your TX to anticipate where DX is actually listening rather than where he says he **says** he's listening. They are often not the same! The most important part of quick split is not the offset. I would be happy with an offset of zero, or an offset of don't change VFO B. What I want is one button that will (at least) activate SPLIT and SUB. This will prevent me from carefully finding the station the DX is working with the subreceiver and then calling him -- without activating SPLIT. Believe me, this is easy to do and very embarrassing. If I could have everything I want, it would do three things: A-B SUB SPLIT I would want this to be implemented as a programmable function key rather than an optional behavior for SPLIT, because there are times when I want SPLIT to be just SPLIT. One way to do it would be a menu entry that would let you choose an offset which could be zero or 'no change' and then assign it to a function key. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
I can't recall which one, but I had a radio that worked exactly this way. My suggestion would be not to change existing button usage at all, but do as Vic suggests, and allow a programmable button to be set to a quick split, that would equalize frequency (or maybe put in a variable offset), turn on SUB and go into SPLIT mode. Then it could be used or ignored at will. 73, andy, ae6y - Original Message - From: Vic K2VCO v...@rakefet.com To: Bill W4ZV btipp...@alum.mit.edu Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:18 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split Bill W4ZV wrote: I also question the usefulness of Quick Split. You need to learn to tune your TX to anticipate where DX is actually listening rather than where he says he **says** he's listening. They are often not the same! The most important part of quick split is not the offset. I would be happy with an offset of zero, or an offset of don't change VFO B. What I want is one button that will (at least) activate SPLIT and SUB. This will prevent me from carefully finding the station the DX is working with the subreceiver and then calling him -- without activating SPLIT. Believe me, this is easy to do and very embarrassing. If I could have everything I want, it would do three things: A-B SUB SPLIT I would want this to be implemented as a programmable function key rather than an optional behavior for SPLIT, because there are times when I want SPLIT to be just SPLIT. One way to do it would be a menu entry that would let you choose an offset which could be zero or 'no change' and then assign it to a function key. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
Doesn't Quick Split assume the DX is -always- located a fixed number of kHz away from his TX'ing frequency? This is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for. If the DX is actually an exact 5 kHz up, there will still be a need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do people actually simply go up five and blindly call? Really? K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN. I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when operating from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW. My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the last worked station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler? I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
Quick split is a single button that puts the radio in split and the other vfo split x number of KC's away. It just saves some button pushing. Obviously if the station is working a weird split then you still have to move the b vfo. It sets the B vfo to the same mode moves it up 5 or 10. Sets the transmit to B etc. I have no clue how the 7800 did it as I never owned one. A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may never get over. Ben Franklin -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken Kopp Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:49 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split Doesn't Quick Split assume the DX is -always- located a fixed number of kHz away from his TX'ing frequency? This is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for. If the DX is actually an exact 5 kHz up, there will still be a need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do people actually simply go up five and blindly call? Really? K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN. I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when operating from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW. My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the last worked station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler? I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:49:10 -, you wrote: Doesn't Quick Split assume the DX is -always- located a fixed number of kHz away from his TX'ing frequency? This is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for. If the DX is actually an exact 5 kHz up, there will still be a need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do people actually simply go up five and blindly call? Really? K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN. I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when operating from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW. My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the last worked station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler? I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net The Kenwood TS-950 series rigs have this. When I first read the manual it sounded great, but in use it was not very benificial, for the very reason you described. Besides if you are an old poop like me and Ken who has learned to determine the RX tuning routine of the DX station before you call, you will be moving the Sub RX up and down continuously as you chase **HIS RX FREQ** up and down in frequency. Old Ham Geezers learn to do this after a few years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI, but I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I can get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o) 73, Tom, N5GE http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
Right on the mark Tom! 73, Tony W7GO Tom, N5GE wrote: On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:49:10 -, you wrote: Doesn't Quick Split assume the DX is -always- located a fixed number of kHz away from his TX'ing frequency? This is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for. If the DX is actually an exact 5 kHz up, there will still be a need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do people actually simply go up five and blindly call? Really? K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN. I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when operating from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW. My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the last worked station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler? I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net The Kenwood TS-950 series rigs have this. When I first read the manual it sounded great, but in use it was not very benificial, for the very reason you described. Besides if you are an old poop like me and Ken who has learned to determine the RX tuning routine of the DX station before you call, you will be moving the Sub RX up and down continuously as you chase **HIS RX FREQ** up and down in frequency. Old Ham Geezers learn to do this after a few years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI, but I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I can get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o) 73, Tom, N5GE http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
Old Ham Geezers learn to do this after a few years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI, but I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I can get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o) Shucks, boy ... now you done gone and gib away da secret G. Thet be the diff'nce 'tween real DXers and da 'tenders who be callin' where da DX wuz 5 minutes ago 'cause someone posted his QRG on thet newfangled cluster box. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom, N5GE Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:45 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:49:10 -, you wrote: Doesn't Quick Split assume the DX is -always- located a fixed number of kHz away from his TX'ing frequency? This is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for. If the DX is actually an exact 5 kHz up, there will still be a need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do people actually simply go up five and blindly call? Really? K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN. I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when operating from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW. My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the last worked station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler? I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net The Kenwood TS-950 series rigs have this. When I first read the manual it sounded great, but in use it was not very benificial, for the very reason you described. Besides if you are an old poop like me and Ken who has learned to determine the RX tuning routine of the DX station before you call, you will be moving the Sub RX up and down continuously as you chase **HIS RX FREQ** up and down in frequency. Old Ham Geezers learn to do this after a few years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI, but I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I can get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o) 73, Tom, N5GE http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split
LMAO. Maybe that is why the pileups never seemed to big to me. I was only listening where they were. Pretty funny to listen to people call endlessly 20 kc's up the band and the folks that don't have two vfo's trying to work spleeet. A slip of the foot you may soon recover, but a slip of the tongue you may never get over. Ben Franklin -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 10:57 PM To: 'Tom, N5GE'; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split Old Ham Geezers learn to do this after a few years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI, but I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I can get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o) Shucks, boy ... now you done gone and gib away da secret G. Thet be the diff'nce 'tween real DXers and da 'tenders who be callin' where da DX wuz 5 minutes ago 'cause someone posted his QRG on thet newfangled cluster box. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom, N5GE Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:45 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: Qick Split On Mon, 16 Feb 2009 17:49:10 -, you wrote: Doesn't Quick Split assume the DX is -always- located a fixed number of kHz away from his TX'ing frequency? This is simply not the case, if this is what's is being lobbied for. If the DX is actually an exact 5 kHz up, there will still be a need to change of one's TX frequency involved on almost every transmission ... or should be ... if one is an astute DX'er. Do people actually simply go up five and blindly call? Really? K5D is an example ... they are spending hours listening DOWN. I've worked them this way on four bands so far. I did this when operating from there ... and other DX locations ... BTW. My most-used control in working SPLIT is the A/B button. A quick poke of A/B and a tune of the A VFO to put it on the last worked station in the pileup and another poke of the A/B button to put the that frequency in the B VFO. How could this be simpler? I'm an old poop. Maybe I'm missing something 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP elecraftcov...@rfwave.net The Kenwood TS-950 series rigs have this. When I first read the manual it sounded great, but in use it was not very benificial, for the very reason you described. Besides if you are an old poop like me and Ken who has learned to determine the RX tuning routine of the DX station before you call, you will be moving the Sub RX up and down continuously as you chase **HIS RX FREQ** up and down in frequency. Old Ham Geezers learn to do this after a few years of practice or reading the Complete DX'r by W9KNI, but I hope the rest of you don't use the procedure, so Ken and I can get 'em and scoot away quickly ;o) 73, Tom, N5GE http://www.n5ge.com http://www.swotrc.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
