Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Sidetone
Keith, This shouldn't happen. I test this on every firmware release, and just tested it again. Enter CW mode, then hold the SPEED/MIC/MON knob in to bring up sidetone MON level, then adjust it. Tap the knob to return to normal operation. Changing modes and possibly readjusting the MON level for that mode should have no effect on the sidetone level. If this isn't working, please contact k3support on Monday. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Keith Lamonica wrote: Can the sidetone monitor level be set to a fixed level? Mine defaults to 4 when I change modes and then come back to CW. Keith, W7DXX Remote __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Sidetone
Is it also possible that you're turning off your rig by shutting off the power TO the rig without using the Power off/on button (I.E. Just turning off the power supply). I belive that you have to save the settings at least ONE time by doing a proper shut down on the K3, and not just killing power to the rig. I've found settings get lost if you don't. Just an idea. Like a computer, you can't just Crash it when you're ready to stop using it. From: n...@elecraft.com To: ke...@lamonica.com Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 09:08:38 -0700 CC: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW Sidetone Keith, This shouldn't happen. I test this on every firmware release, and just tested it again. Enter CW mode, then hold the SPEED/MIC/MON knob in to bring up sidetone MON level, then adjust it. Tap the knob to return to normal operation. Changing modes and possibly readjusting the MON level for that mode should have no effect on the sidetone level. If this isn't working, please contact k3support on Monday. 73, Wayne N6KR On Sep 26, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Keith Lamonica wrote: Can the sidetone monitor level be set to a fixed level? Mine defaults to 4 when I change modes and then come back to CW. Keith, W7DXX Remote __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:20:13 -0700, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: Phil, I'm confused. You say that your side tone pitch is changing, but from your statement below it sounds to me as though you are talking about the received signal from the station you are working. If that is true, then the problem would not be with the K3 side tone, but with the stability of the transmitter at the other end. When this occurs after a slight pause in the senders signal, then it would mean that the sender's transmitted frequency has changed during the pause. Many older tube type rigs exhibit this behavior for many reasons. You will hear this sort of behavior from many of the Cuban stations on the air, because they have no access to modern radio equipment (unless they are a good Party Member). TOM, N5GE BT 73 ES GUD LUK AR DE N5GE SK http://www.n5ge.com A while back I raised the question of whether others had the same symptoms I had been hearing of the CW sidetone pitch of a received signal all of a sudden changing by so-many Hz (maybe up to 50 Hz but just guessing). It appears to happen when there is a slight pause in the senders signal and it almost sounds like some other station, a few Hz away has jumped into the party but that is not the case -- only a single station sending. [snip] __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Radio Amateur N5GE wrote: You say that your side tone pitch is changing, but from your statement below it sounds to me as though you are talking about the received signal from the station you are working. If that is true, then the problem would not be with the K3 side tone, but with the stability of the transmitter at the other end. I believe Phil is referring to the pitch of received signals over ~S9. Here's his original post and thread from over a month ago: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Subtle-Change-in-CW-monitor-tone-td4717926.html#a4721510 The pitch change is very subtle (1 Hz change) and seems to occur mainly on strong received signals. Rather than being a transmit artifact of the external signal, it seems to be something inside the K3...noticeable only if you can discern very slight frequency changes. It's not annoying to me but more of a curiosity as to what may be causing it. 73, Bill 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Sidetone-Pitch-Change-Problem-tp4975385p4980686.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Wow 1Hz change? You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? I'm impressed! Rick K6LE On 4/29/2010, at 8:40 , Bill W4ZV wrote: The pitch change is very subtle (1 Hz change) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
More likely the low level distortion created in the analog audio path typically occurring with the stronger signals. That distortion is therefore multiples of the fundamental and the human hearing will allow the higher frequency components to be dominate, often described as masking effect thus perceived to be louder. It is the combination of F + Fx2 + Fx3 and etc. This is usually the result of the dither component of digitally processed signals. A 2nd point with stronger signals the background noise, always higher in frequency content, will be suppressed thus the timbre of the signal will change as the reference point of hearing changes. A very common psychoacoustic condition with two legged folks referred to as human. 73 Bob, K4TAX - Original Message - From: Rick Prather k6limae...@gmail.com To: Bill W4ZV btipp...@alum.mit.edu Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem Wow 1Hz change? You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? I'm impressed! Rick K6LE On 4/29/2010, at 8:40 , Bill W4ZV wrote: The pitch change is very subtle (1 Hz change) __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Rick Prather-2 wrote: Wow 1Hz change? You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? I'm impressed! It's a gift from God and you could have it too! Click Adaptive Pitch to the right here: http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/ This adaptive pitch test will play a series of two short tones and ask you if the second tone is higher or lower than the first tone. This test measures your pitch perception abilities by adapting to your responses: The better you are, the closer and closer the stimuli will become. As you advance in the test, it may sound as if the two tones are identical. This is never the case: they will always be a different pitch, even if that difference is imperceptible. I forget the exact histogram breakpoints but I believe ~20% of folks can resolve 1 Hz. If you take the test, you'll see the histogram and where you fall on it. Have fun! 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Sidetone-Pitch-Change-Problem-tp4975385p4981305.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Rick Prather-2 wrote: Wow 1Hz change? You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? I'm impressed! Yeah that's the good news. The bad news is that they can only hear from 500- 600 Hz. It would seem that the lower the frequency the better one should be able to resolve pitch differences. Wonder if that is so. 73 de Brian/K3KO __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Haa I guess .1875 isn't too bad for a 72 year old goatAnd I can also hear the occasional pitch change in sidetone...about 2 hz I guestimate.It does not bother me tho. Rick W3BI~~ Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:44:16 -0700 From: btipp...@alum.mit.edu To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem Rick Prather-2 wrote: Wow 1Hz change? You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? I'm impressed! It's a gift from God and you could have it too! Click Adaptive Pitch to the right here: http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/ This adaptive pitch test will play a series of two short tones and ask you if the second tone is higher or lower than the first tone. This test measures your pitch perception abilities by adapting to your responses: The better you are, the closer and closer the stimuli will become. As you advance in the test, it may sound as if the two tones are identical. This is never the case: they will always be a different pitch, even if that difference is imperceptible. I forget the exact histogram breakpoints but I believe ~20% of folks can resolve 1 Hz. If you take the test, you'll see the histogram and where you fall on it. Have fun! 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Sidetone-Pitch-Change-Problem-tp4975385p4981305.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
That's very interesting. Thanks, Rick K6LE On 4/29/2010, at 10:44 , Bill W4ZV wrote: Rick Prather-2 wrote: Wow 1Hz change? You guys violinists for the SF Symphony? I'm impressed! It's a gift from God and you could have it too! Click Adaptive Pitch to the right here: http://tonometric.com/adaptivepitch/ This adaptive pitch test will play a series of two short tones and ask you if the second tone is higher or lower than the first tone. This test measures your pitch perception abilities by adapting to your responses: The better you are, the closer and closer the stimuli will become. As you advance in the test, it may sound as if the two tones are identical. This is never the case: they will always be a different pitch, even if that difference is imperceptible. I forget the exact histogram breakpoints but I believe ~20% of folks can resolve 1 Hz. If you take the test, you'll see the histogram and where you fall on it. Have fun! 73, Bill __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem - key clicks
Good morning folks Noticed the odd pitch change a while ago, it is on strong sigs over s9. It is heard on some signals more than others. The only thing I have found is CW with moderate to bad key clicks seem to have this odd tonal shift, compared to clean CW at the same received level. regards Paul zl1ajy -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-CW-Sidetone-Pitch-Change-Problem-tp4975385p4982588.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
A while back I raised the question of whether others had the same symptoms I had been hearing of the CW sidetone pitch of a received signal all of a sudden changing by so-many Hz (maybe up to 50 Hz but just guessing). It appears to happen when there is a slight pause in the senders signal and it almost sounds like some other station, a few Hz away has jumped into the party but that is not the case -- only a single station sending. Several responses commented that they had heard the same thing whereas some others said they never heard this problem. And, about two weeks ago or so someone sent me a message or maybe posted it to the Elecraft reflector asking if I still had the problem after installing the latest firmware (or, beta?). I have lost that message and I would like to know if this problem was specifically addressed by a firmware update. I am up to date on firmware with the exception of the latest beta that I have now installed yet. However, I still have this problem (it seems to happen with stronger signals, maybe S8 or better, and it seems to only happen in the pause between words for example and never to my knowledge in a string of characters of a word). 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Phil, what is the pitch you are using when this happens? Is it a multiple of 50 Hz? Or one of the in-betweens? 73, Guy On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: A while back I raised the question of whether others had the same symptoms I had been hearing of the CW sidetone pitch of a received signal all of a sudden changing by so-many Hz (maybe up to 50 Hz but just guessing). It appears to happen when there is a slight pause in the senders signal and it almost sounds like some other station, a few Hz away has jumped into the party but that is not the case -- only a single station sending. Several responses commented that they had heard the same thing whereas some others said they never heard this problem. And, about two weeks ago or so someone sent me a message or maybe posted it to the Elecraft reflector asking if I still had the problem after installing the latest firmware (or, beta?). I have lost that message and I would like to know if this problem was specifically addressed by a firmware update. I am up to date on firmware with the exception of the latest beta that I have now installed yet. However, I still have this problem (it seems to happen with stronger signals, maybe S8 or better, and it seems to only happen in the pause between words for example and never to my knowledge in a string of characters of a word). 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
I have no idea what the pitch is -- I will have to look the next time. On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: Phil, what is the pitch you are using when this happens? Is it a multiple of 50 Hz? Or one of the in-betweens? 73, Guy On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: A while back I raised the question of whether others had the same symptoms I had been hearing of the CW sidetone pitch of a received signal all of a sudden changing by so-many Hz (maybe up to 50 Hz but just guessing). It appears to happen when there is a slight pause in the senders signal and it almost sounds like some other station, a few Hz away has jumped into the party but that is not the case -- only a single station sending. Several responses commented that they had heard the same thing whereas some others said they never heard this problem. And, about two weeks ago or so someone sent me a message or maybe posted it to the Elecraft reflector asking if I still had the problem after installing the latest firmware (or, beta?). I have lost that message and I would like to know if this problem was specifically addressed by a firmware update. I am up to date on firmware with the exception of the latest beta that I have now installed yet. However, I still have this problem (it seems to happen with stronger signals, maybe S8 or better, and it seems to only happen in the pause between words for example and never to my knowledge in a string of characters of a word). 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
It is my recollection that Wayne is doing something extra to have all the non-50 Hz things work on CW, e.g. if this is CW then add this number kind of thing. Since some (a lot?) of people will use a 50 Hz multiple, this would explain why some see and some don't. Also is a pointer to where to look in the code. 73, Guy. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: I have no idea what the pitch is -- I will have to look the next time. On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: Phil, what is the pitch you are using when this happens? Is it a multiple of 50 Hz? Or one of the in-betweens? 73, Guy On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: A while back I raised the question of whether others had the same symptoms I had been hearing of the CW sidetone pitch of a received signal all of a sudden changing by so-many Hz (maybe up to 50 Hz but just guessing). It appears to happen when there is a slight pause in the senders signal and it almost sounds like some other station, a few Hz away has jumped into the party but that is not the case -- only a single station sending. Several responses commented that they had heard the same thing whereas some others said they never heard this problem. And, about two weeks ago or so someone sent me a message or maybe posted it to the Elecraft reflector asking if I still had the problem after installing the latest firmware (or, beta?). I have lost that message and I would like to know if this problem was specifically addressed by a firmware update. I am up to date on firmware with the exception of the latest beta that I have now installed yet. However, I still have this problem (it seems to happen with stronger signals, maybe S8 or better, and it seems to only happen in the pause between words for example and never to my knowledge in a string of characters of a word). 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] CW Sidetone Pitch Change Problem
Guy, Thanks for the comments. Tonight I will experiment a little by changing the tone Hz value and see what happens. It may take a few days to determine if anything is changed as I do not hear this problem all the time. peh On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: It is my recollection that Wayne is doing something extra to have all the non-50 Hz things work on CW, e.g. if this is CW then add this number kind of thing. Since some (a lot?) of people will use a 50 Hz multiple, this would explain why some see and some don't. Also is a pointer to where to look in the code. 73, Guy. On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: I have no idea what the pitch is -- I will have to look the next time. On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: Phil, what is the pitch you are using when this happens? Is it a multiple of 50 Hz? Or one of the in-betweens? 73, Guy On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Phil Hystad phys...@mac.com wrote: A while back I raised the question of whether others had the same symptoms I had been hearing of the CW sidetone pitch of a received signal all of a sudden changing by so-many Hz (maybe up to 50 Hz but just guessing). It appears to happen when there is a slight pause in the senders signal and it almost sounds like some other station, a few Hz away has jumped into the party but that is not the case -- only a single station sending. Several responses commented that they had heard the same thing whereas some others said they never heard this problem. And, about two weeks ago or so someone sent me a message or maybe posted it to the Elecraft reflector asking if I still had the problem after installing the latest firmware (or, beta?). I have lost that message and I would like to know if this problem was specifically addressed by a firmware update. I am up to date on firmware with the exception of the latest beta that I have now installed yet. However, I still have this problem (it seems to happen with stronger signals, maybe S8 or better, and it seems to only happen in the pause between words for example and never to my knowledge in a string of characters of a word). 73, phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 CW sidetone oddity
I am a new owner of a K3 and still learning... Today, for some strange reason my sidetone in CW on the 20 meter band seems to be producing two notes and not a single pure note. That is, it sounds more like the button tones of a push button phone then a pure sinewave tone. This is only 20 meters. All the other bands seem to be normal. But, being a new K3 owner I am not sure what normal might be or if this is some option that I have some how slipped into. I don't know if I did anything to do this. I had a perfectly fine CW QSO on 14054 KHz two hours ago but then I was away for a little bit. When I came back, since my grandson was sleeping upstairs I decided to put the headphones on. I sent a QRL on the frequency to test business and low-and-behold, the CW sidetone was weird. I unplugged the headphones and the same condition existed on the speaker (built-in to the K3). Can someone explain this? phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW sidetone oddity
Phil, There is no normal and reasonable explanation for that, the sidetone generation is not band dependent. Is there a possibility that you have an RF Feedback problem on 20 meters - that is the only thing I can think of. 73, Don W3FPR Phil Hystad wrote: I am a new owner of a K3 and still learning... Today, for some strange reason my sidetone in CW on the 20 meter band seems to be producing two notes and not a single pure note. That is, it sounds more like the button tones of a push button phone then a pure sinewave tone. This is only 20 meters. All the other bands seem to be normal. But, being a new K3 owner I am not sure what normal might be or if this is some option that I have some how slipped into. I don't know if I did anything to do this. I had a perfectly fine CW QSO on 14054 KHz two hours ago but then I was away for a little bit. When I came back, since my grandson was sleeping upstairs I decided to put the headphones on. I sent a QRL on the frequency to test business and low-and-behold, the CW sidetone was weird. I unplugged the headphones and the same condition existed on the speaker (built-in to the K3). Can someone explain this? phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] K3 CW sidetone oddity
Don, No RF feedback -- 20 meters is my most perfect antenna (40 meters is my worst). However, I plugged the headphones in again and this time the tone was clear and normal. I unplugged the headphones and again now the tone is clear and normal. Is there a possibility that such behavior of impure sidetone could result if the switch in the the headphones jack did not open or close (I don't know which way is normal). But, it seems to be normal now. I have no idea what the problem was. phil On Jan 12, 2010, at 3:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: Phil, There is no normal and reasonable explanation for that, the sidetone generation is not band dependent. Is there a possibility that you have an RF Feedback problem on 20 meters - that is the only thing I can think of. 73, Don W3FPR Phil Hystad wrote: I am a new owner of a K3 and still learning... Today, for some strange reason my sidetone in CW on the 20 meter band seems to be producing two notes and not a single pure note. That is, it sounds more like the button tones of a push button phone then a pure sinewave tone. This is only 20 meters. All the other bands seem to be normal. But, being a new K3 owner I am not sure what normal might be or if this is some option that I have some how slipped into. I don't know if I did anything to do this. I had a perfectly fine CW QSO on 14054 KHz two hours ago but then I was away for a little bit. When I came back, since my grandson was sleeping upstairs I decided to put the headphones on. I sent a QRL on the frequency to test business and low-and-behold, the CW sidetone was weird. I unplugged the headphones and the same condition existed on the speaker (built-in to the K3). Can someone explain this? phil, K7PEH __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] K3 - CW Sidetone in Dual Receive
Christened my freshly installed KRX3 at GW0GEI (M2) for the weekend cqww. It arrived just in time (ordered February 1...) and was fitted without incident the previous weekend; the K3 and (qsk) Acom 1000 worked flawlessly for the whole 48 hours. I found the whole 2 receiver thing an interesting and new experience. Being able to hold a run frequency with pc sent CQs while scouring the band for mults/unworked with the second rx was really useful particularly late on the Sunday when runs got slower. Not really sure if I was using the best method but it would involve tracking a potential contact on the KRX3/right ear, a quick Alt-F10 (N1MM) to swap sub to main (right to left ear..), work 'em and Alt-F10 again to resume. So here's a question/comment.to me it would make sense if you could have the cw sidetone only in the left earpiece when operating dual receive. Bearing in mind my position on the learning curve and lack of sleep, I was sometimes losing track of which signals on either side of my head I was transmitting to which lead to the occasional muddle - multitasking has never been my strong point but I definitely felt keeping the sidetone associated with the transmit frequency would have been handy. Apparently the key term is SMOC - so if it *is* just a small matter of coding I wonder what others more versed in the black art of dual receive think? 73, Stewar Rolfe, GW0ETF (K3 145) PS - Nice to work you Hank (K8DD) on 20m; over here 20 and higher were very poor, 80 was terrific but 40m was the place to be. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/K3---CW-Sidetone-in-Dual-Receive-tp1598236p1598236.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - CW Sidetone in Dual Receive
Agreed, keep the sidetone with the tx David G3UNA So here's a question/comment.to me it would make sense if you could have the cw sidetone only in the left earpiece when operating dual receive. but I definitely felt keeping the sidetone associated with the transmit frequency would have been handy. Stewar Rolfe, GW0ETF (K3 145) - Email sent from www.virginmedia.com/email Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software and scanned for spam ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - CW Sidetone in Dual Receive
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:50:33 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, keep the sidetone with the tx Yes Jim K9YC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] K3 - CW Sidetone in Dual Receive
Agreed, keep the sidetone with the tx Which puts it in the RIGHT ear when split and both or the LEFT ear when transceive. The current both ears makes the most sense unless the firmware is modified to move the sidetone/monitor based on SUB/SPLIT status. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:47 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - CW Sidetone in Dual Receive On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:50:33 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed, keep the sidetone with the tx Yes Jim K9YC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 - CW Sidetone + KatieGram
Make sure the CONFIG shows 1 speaker if you only have one. That makes a big difference with the CW sidetone volume as does the specific type of speaker. Drake MS4 will drive you out of the room for sidetone volume. - Just received an email and a phone call from my favorite girl, they are ahead of shedule in Aptos, my order from Nov 14 was due to be shipped by Friday, they are doing it today. The guys that are on vacation could not want for more as they are relaxing before the Dayton press... ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - CW Sidetone
- Original Message - From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - CW Sidetone | Mike Harris wrote: | G'day, | | Has anyone else noticed a slight chuffing of the CW sidetone when in QSK | mode. The chuffing is absent when in manual TX. I guess it's probably | the change over from band noise to sidetone. Nevertheless it sounds odd. | | Mike, | | Try reducing the audio gain a bit or increasing the sidetone level and | see if that reduces the phenomenon. If so, I believe it is exactly what | you say, the change-over, etc. I notice the same thing, and have viewed | the audio on a scope looking for artifacts and haven't found any. | | There's a similar problem when there are a lot of signals in the | passband. I think it's because the QSK is *too* good -- very fast, and | the sidetone is shaped to match the RF output. | | Wayne has talked about making some sidetone characteristics adjustable | to make it easier to monitor in noisy or crowded conditions. This is | probably not going to happen tomorrow, though! | -- | 73, | Vic, K2VCO | Fresno CA | http://www.qsl.net/k2vco Hi, It is indeed a balancing act between monitor and RX audio levels. The effect is most noticeable when using headphones. The house here is pretty quiet and I don't use a very high sidetone (monitor) level, around about 14. It's not a problem, just an observation. No secret hardware change required. Regards, Mike VP8NO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3 - CW Sidetone
G'day, Has anyone else noticed a slight chuffing of the CW sidetone when in QSK mode. The chuffing is absent when in manual TX. I guess it's probably the change over from band noise to sidetone. Nevertheless it sounds odd. Regards, Mike VP8NO #345 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] K3 - CW Sidetone
Mike Harris wrote: G'day, Has anyone else noticed a slight chuffing of the CW sidetone when in QSK mode. The chuffing is absent when in manual TX. I guess it's probably the change over from band noise to sidetone. Nevertheless it sounds odd. Mike, Try reducing the audio gain a bit or increasing the sidetone level and see if that reduces the phenomenon. If so, I believe it is exactly what you say, the change-over, etc. I notice the same thing, and have viewed the audio on a scope looking for artifacts and haven't found any. There's a similar problem when there are a lot of signals in the passband. I think it's because the QSK is *too* good -- very fast, and the sidetone is shaped to match the RF output. Wayne has talked about making some sidetone characteristics adjustable to make it easier to monitor in noisy or crowded conditions. This is probably not going to happen tomorrow, though! -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] K3: CW Sidetone on line out
When recording through the Line Out, I find that the CW sidetone is not present. As far as I know, this was on the list of features to be implemented. But has it been implemented? The other day, I tried recording. As I looked at the audio waveforms, I noticed that indeed the sidetone was present. But, today, I tried recording again, same audio setup, and no sidetone. The only difference is in settings that I may have unknowingly changed on the K3. Was I imagining the first situation and there still is no sidetone available on Line Out? Or is there and I just changed something on the radio? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
