[Elecraft] K3 DSP LPF daughterboard - What is an artifact and where can you find them?

2010-01-02 Thread Don Rasmussen
Thanks to Doug for the clarification of the hardware aspect of the DSP board 
upgrade. This has allowed me to do some research with my own K3's. 

First of all, the term artifact seems to be used these days as a catch all. I 
have heard rumbles, funny pops and ticks that were seemingly in the 
foreground of my IC756 and have taken a very negative view of this - DSP 
artifact generally means to me, odd beyond the point of accepting under normal 
conditions. I have analog ears, guys who got their first HF with DSP are 
probably okay with that type of thing.

I went searching for an artifact in the K3 transceiver having not encountered 
one before. I remembered that I had the upgraded DSP board for low range audio, 
but unfortunately a very early one that had no lettered marking on it at all, 
and no daughterboard. So, I was 99% confident that my K3 was ready to exhibit 
some artifactual behavior, and I would decide if it was objectionable enough to 
want the $24 upgrade LPF. 

I searched NABBLE and found one of the first reports of this in early Spring to 
be sounding like Jingle bells. Hmmm, never heard that. But I knew to look for 
jingle bells at approximately 4 khz and 78db down (weak). I put the K3 on 7 
Mhz LSB at night and found a strong SWL signal. I went into the RX Eq and put 
all sliders at negative 16 EXCEPT number 8 (rightmost) which I put at +16. 

What did I hear? Sleigh Bells!. That is quite different from Jingle Bells and 
although disappointed, it made more sense. ;-) It was plain as day - I am 
assuming I have found the artifact. 

I pressed the CLR button to set the Rx EQ to FLAT, and I seriously could no 
longer hear this artifact. I cant think of any scenario, ever when that 
rightmost EQ would be above ZERO. But for those that want to hear up there in 
dog whistle range, or those that can hear it naturally better than I can using 
a practical EQ setting, Elecraft has gone the extra mile. I hear as well as 
anyone as a reference, but as Doug suggests, the headphones may be a possible 
factor. I favor the speaker, 2 of them in fact.  

I applaude Elecraft for going to all the trouble and expense of engineering a 
daughterboard for this, and maintain once again that to my ears, K3 is the only 
IF DSP transceiver that sounds analog. The AGC is Q5, no artifacts in the 
foreground, and minimal DSP filter noise.

Just as a point of reference and no Icom bashing here, but Icom produced a 
document when the 756Pro was introduced, explained rumble and suggested that 
if you were the type to enjoy record albums, etc. - you may not like the sound 
of their transceiver. I have no idea what Elecraft did differently.  

I won't be adding the LPF mod - at $24 bucks. It's cost is trivial and I 
-enjoy- applying mods to my sets, but if there was ever a case of not broke 
don't fix, this is it for these ears.

73,
Don





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Re: [Elecraft] K3 DSP LPF daughterboard - What is an artifact and where can you find them?

2010-01-02 Thread Brendan Minish
Don Rasmussen wrote:

 I applaude Elecraft for going to all the trouble and expense of
 engineering a daughterboard for this, and maintain once again that to
 my ears, K3 is the only IF DSP transceiver that sounds analog. 

For those of us with good hearing to 12KHz and above really appreciate 
that elecraft have taken the time to understand the relativity subtle 
issue that some of us were hearing, create a mod to add the LPF and that 
this is now standard.
Not everyone can hear the issue, or will be bothered by it, it's quite 
subtle but it was certainly fateuging to some of us who can hear well at 
higher frequencies. I had initially added an R/C Low pass filter to my 
headphone ear pieces which worked but the LPF mod does a better job, I 
was one of the beta testers for it.


Incidentally the D to A chip in the K3 is performing well within it's 
design specs for aliasing products, I have a portabe MP3 player that is 
nearly unusable to my ears for listening to practice CW stored as MP3 
files with a bit rate of 12Khz (You can get a lot of hours of Ebooks 
converted to CW at lower sapmle rates)

73
Brendan EI6IZ
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[Elecraft] K3 DSP/LPF

2010-01-02 Thread rfenabled
Now we know the rest of the story and sounds fine to me.

Now can we end this thread please?.

Gary
VK4WT
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