[Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting

2017-03-09 Thread Dennis
In the middle of ARRL DX CW, my K3 stopped transmitting.  It did not 
shut off, it
would go into transmit and there were small flickers in ALC when the 
meter was in
that position, but no power out.  Pushing the TUNE button resulted in 
the display
saying "0 watts".  I played with it for several minutes, was 
unsuccessful in restoring

any transmit capability, so subbed in the replacement rig and kept going.

I brought my K3 home, plugged it in, connected a key and a dummy load, 
and it
transmitted perfectly.  No problems.  I've used it about 3 hours since, 
and there

have been no problems.

First question, what could have happened to result in the no transmit state?
I will be using my K3 again this weekend in a contest.  If the problem
happens again, what possible problems should I be looking for? Loose/
intermittent cable attached to the synthesizer?

Dennis W1UE

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[Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting

2017-03-09 Thread John Dolan
Hi Dennis,

I am certain you checked for this issue but my first thought would be that you 
had a power supply issue or power cable issue.

73, John WB4YAL
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting

2017-03-09 Thread Ed Muns
When it was not transmitting and you were troubleshooting, did you cycle power?

73,
Ed W0YK
On Mar 9, 2017 5:54 AM, Dennis  wrote:
>
> In the middle of ARRL DX CW, my K3 stopped transmitting.  It did not 
> shut off, it 
> would go into transmit and there were small flickers in ALC when the 
> meter was in 
> that position, but no power out.  Pushing the TUNE button resulted in 
> the display 
> saying "0 watts".  I played with it for several minutes, was 
> unsuccessful in restoring 
> any transmit capability, so subbed in the replacement rig and kept going. 
>
> I brought my K3 home, plugged it in, connected a key and a dummy load, 
> and it 
> transmitted perfectly.  No problems.  I've used it about 3 hours since, 
> and there 
> have been no problems. 
>
> First question, what could have happened to result in the no transmit state? 
> I will be using my K3 again this weekend in a contest.  If the problem 
> happens again, what possible problems should I be looking for? Loose/ 
> intermittent cable attached to the synthesizer? 
>
> Dennis W1UE 
>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting

2017-03-09 Thread Jim Stahl via Elecraft
I had a similar event last October in the New York QSO Party with my K3, 
s/n67xx.  After the first QSO (from a beautiful overlook in Fort Tryon Park in 
Manhattan) it simply stopped putting out RF. It went into transmit, just no RF. 
I tried power cycling, jiggling external connectors, etc. After about 10 
minutes, and about one minute before giving up for the contest, while moving 
things around I unintentionally snapped the front bail, and things snapped back 
to life.

It has worked fine ever since.


73  -  Jim   K8MR


> On Mar 9, 2017, at 8:54 AM, Dennis  wrote:
> 
> In the middle of ARRL DX CW, my K3 stopped transmitting.  It did not shut 
> off, it
> would go into transmit and there were small flickers in ALC when the meter 
> was in
> that position, but no power out.  Pushing the TUNE button resulted in the 
> display
> saying "0 watts".  I played with it for several minutes, was unsuccessful in 
> restoring
> any transmit capability, so subbed in the replacement rig and kept going.
> 
> I brought my K3 home, plugged it in, connected a key and a dummy load, and it
> transmitted perfectly.  No problems.  I've used it about 3 hours since, and 
> there
> have been no problems.
> 
> First question, what could have happened to result in the no transmit state?
> I will be using my K3 again this weekend in a contest.  If the problem
> happens again, what possible problems should I be looking for? Loose/
> intermittent cable attached to the synthesizer?
> 
> Dennis W1UE
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting

2017-03-09 Thread Dennis
First thing I did- and the first thing I do whenever I have any funny 
happen- is to cycle power.  I did so

several times.  It still wouldn't transmit.

UE

On 3/9/2017 9:00 AM, Ed Muns wrote:

When it was not transmitting and you were troubleshooting, did you cycle power?

73,
Ed W0YK
On Mar 9, 2017 5:54 AM, Dennis  wrote:

In the middle of ARRL DX CW, my K3 stopped transmitting.  It did not
shut off, it
would go into transmit and there were small flickers in ALC when the
meter was in
that position, but no power out.  Pushing the TUNE button resulted in
the display
saying "0 watts".  I played with it for several minutes, was
unsuccessful in restoring
any transmit capability, so subbed in the replacement rig and kept going.

I brought my K3 home, plugged it in, connected a key and a dummy load,
and it
transmitted perfectly.  No problems.  I've used it about 3 hours since,
and there
have been no problems.

First question, what could have happened to result in the no transmit state?
I will be using my K3 again this weekend in a contest.  If the problem
happens again, what possible problems should I be looking for? Loose/
intermittent cable attached to the synthesizer?

Dennis W1UE

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting

2017-03-09 Thread Dennis
I did try the "drop" test- hold up the front of the radio a little bit, 
and then drop it so that it contacts the table.
Kinda shake things up a bit.  No luck.  When I also brought it home, I 
put it in the case, drove it 72 miles
back to my house, brought it in, and set it up 2 days later.  So it was 
jostled fairly good.  As I say, when I got

it home it worked, and has worked, fine.

Dennis W1UE

On 3/9/2017 9:10 AM, Jim Stahl wrote:

I had a similar event last October in the New York QSO Party with my K3, 
s/n67xx.  After the first QSO (from a beautiful overlook in Fort Tryon Park in 
Manhattan) it simply stopped putting out RF. It went into transmit, just no RF. 
I tried power cycling, jiggling external connectors, etc. After about 10 
minutes, and about one minute before giving up for the contest, while moving 
things around I unintentionally snapped the front bail, and things snapped back 
to life.

It has worked fine ever since.


73  -  Jim   K8MR



On Mar 9, 2017, at 8:54 AM, Dennis  wrote:

In the middle of ARRL DX CW, my K3 stopped transmitting.  It did not shut off, 
it
would go into transmit and there were small flickers in ALC when the meter was 
in
that position, but no power out.  Pushing the TUNE button resulted in the 
display
saying "0 watts".  I played with it for several minutes, was unsuccessful in 
restoring
any transmit capability, so subbed in the replacement rig and kept going.

I brought my K3 home, plugged it in, connected a key and a dummy load, and it
transmitted perfectly.  No problems.  I've used it about 3 hours since, and 
there
have been no problems.

First question, what could have happened to result in the no transmit state?
I will be using my K3 again this weekend in a contest.  If the problem
happens again, what possible problems should I be looking for? Loose/
intermittent cable attached to the synthesizer?

Dennis W1UE



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting

2017-03-09 Thread George Thornton
I had something somewhat similar happen and the best I could tell it was 
related to power supply issues.   Now I use thicker wire direct from the power 
supply to the K3 and it so far seems to be working better.

An advertised way to fix it is to re-load the firmware and recalibrate the 
transmit power.

From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 6:41 AM
To: Jim Stahl 
Cc: Reflector Elecraft 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting

I did try the "drop" test- hold up the front of the radio a little bit,
and then drop it so that it contacts the table.
Kinda shake things up a bit. No luck. When I also brought it home, I
put it in the case, drove it 72 miles
back to my house, brought it in, and set it up 2 days later. So it was
jostled fairly good. As I say, when I got
it home it worked, and has worked, fine.

Dennis W1UE

On 3/9/2017 9:10 AM, Jim Stahl wrote:
> I had a similar event last October in the New York QSO Party with my K3, 
> s/n67xx. After the first QSO (from a beautiful overlook in Fort Tryon Park in 
> Manhattan) it simply stopped putting out RF. It went into transmit, just no 
> RF. I tried power cycling, jiggling external connectors, etc. After about 10 
> minutes, and about one minute before giving up for the contest, while moving 
> things around I unintentionally snapped the front bail, and things snapped 
> back to life.
>
> It has worked fine ever since.
>
>
> 73 - Jim K8MR
>
>
>> On Mar 9, 2017, at 8:54 AM, Dennis 
>> <mailto:egan.denni...@gmail.com%3e> wrote:
>>
>> In the middle of ARRL DX CW, my K3 stopped transmitting. It did not shut 
>> off, it
>> would go into transmit and there were small flickers in ALC when the meter 
>> was in
>> that position, but no power out. Pushing the TUNE button resulted in the 
>> display
>> saying "0 watts". I played with it for several minutes, was unsuccessful in 
>> restoring
>> any transmit capability, so subbed in the replacement rig and kept going.
>>
>> I brought my K3 home, plugged it in, connected a key and a dummy load, and it
>> transmitted perfectly. No problems. I've used it about 3 hours since, and 
>> there
>> have been no problems.
>>
>> First question, what could have happened to result in the no transmit state?
>> I will be using my K3 again this weekend in a contest. If the problem
>> happens again, what possible problems should I be looking for? Loose/
>> intermittent cable attached to the synthesizer?
>>
>> Dennis W1UE
>>

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting

2017-03-09 Thread Bob Wilson, N6TV
No TX power is a common problem, especially on DXpeditions.  Other than
power supply issues, it is usually one of three things:

   1. Intending to use the BAND button, one holds down the right MODE
   button by mistake, putting the K3 into TX TEST mode.  The "TX" icon
   flashes.  But, since you reported that the TUNE button flashes "0 watts"
   instead of flashing "TX TEST", it's probably something else in this case.
   2. CONFIG:TX INH is set to LO=Inh (visible only when CONFIG:TECH MD is
   ON). CONFIG:TX INH should be OFF unless you're using a lockout circuit that
   depends on the inhibit line.  A "floating" pin 10 on the ACC port can cause
   TX to be intermittently inhibited when CONFIG:TX INH is set to LO=INh.
   When TX is inhibited, the K3 will display "0 Watts" when you press the TUNE
   button.  The "TX" indicator also flashes when the rig is inhibited, similar
   to TX TEST mode.
   3. The most likely cause, which I've seen many times, is that the jumper
   board connecting the subreceiver to the main board in the back left side of
   the K3 has partially pulled out.  This happens almost every time a K3 is
   subject to any kind of strong mechanical stress, such as transport in
   checked luggage.  Make sure the SubRx is firmly seated and the problem
   should disappear.  If you don't have a SubRx, there's still a jumper board
   that must be in place in the same spot.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Dennis  wrote:

> First thing I did- and the first thing I do whenever I have any funny
> happen- is to cycle power.  I did so
> several times.  It still wouldn't transmit.
>
> UE
>
> On 3/9/2017 9:00 AM, Ed Muns wrote:
>
>> When it was not transmitting and you were troubleshooting, did you cycle
>> power?
>>
>> 73,
>> Ed W0YK
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2017 5:54 AM, Dennis  wrote:
>>
>>> In the middle of ARRL DX CW, my K3 stopped transmitting.  It did not
>>> shut off, it
>>> would go into transmit and there were small flickers in ALC when the
>>> meter was in
>>> that position, but no power out.  Pushing the TUNE button resulted in
>>> the display
>>> saying "0 watts".  I played with it for several minutes, was
>>> unsuccessful in restoring
>>> any transmit capability, so subbed in the replacement rig and kept going.
>>>
>>> I brought my K3 home, plugged it in, connected a key and a dummy load,
>>> and it
>>> transmitted perfectly.  No problems.  I've used it about 3 hours since,
>>> and there
>>> have been no problems.
>>>
>>> First question, what could have happened to result in the no transmit
>>> state?
>>> I will be using my K3 again this weekend in a contest.  If the problem
>>> happens again, what possible problems should I be looking for? Loose/
>>> intermittent cable attached to the synthesizer?
>>>
>>> Dennis W1UE
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting

2017-03-09 Thread Bob Wilson, N6TV
Correction to Item 2.  I meant to write "A floating *PIN 7* (TX INH) can
cause TX to be intermittently inhibited..."

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Bob Wilson, N6TV  wrote:

> No TX power is a common problem, especially on DXpeditions.  Other than
> power supply issues, it is usually one of three things:
>
>1. Intending to use the BAND button, one holds down the right MODE
>button by mistake, putting the K3 into TX TEST mode.  The "TX" icon
>flashes.  But, since you reported that the TUNE button flashes "0 watts"
>instead of flashing "TX TEST", it's probably something else in this case.
>2. CONFIG:TX INH is set to LO=Inh (visible only when CONFIG:TECH MD is
>ON). CONFIG:TX INH should be OFF unless you're using a lockout circuit that
>depends on the inhibit line.  A "floating" pin 10 on the ACC port can cause
>TX to be intermittently inhibited when CONFIG:TX INH is set to LO=INh.
>When TX is inhibited, the K3 will display "0 Watts" when you press the TUNE
>button.  The "TX" indicator also flashes when the rig is inhibited, similar
>to TX TEST mode.
>3. The most likely cause, which I've seen many times, is that the
>jumper board connecting the subreceiver to the main board in the back left
>side of the K3 has partially pulled out.  This happens almost every time a
>K3 is subject to any kind of strong mechanical stress, such as transport in
>checked luggage.  Make sure the SubRx is firmly seated and the problem
>should disappear.  If you don't have a SubRx, there's still a jumper board
>that must be in place in the same spot.
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
> On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Dennis  wrote:
>
>> First thing I did- and the first thing I do whenever I have any funny
>> happen- is to cycle power.  I did so
>> several times.  It still wouldn't transmit.
>>
>> UE
>>
>> On 3/9/2017 9:00 AM, Ed Muns wrote:
>>
>>> When it was not transmitting and you were troubleshooting, did you cycle
>>> power?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Ed W0YK
>>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2017 5:54 AM, Dennis  wrote:
>>>
 In the middle of ARRL DX CW, my K3 stopped transmitting.  It did not
 shut off, it
 would go into transmit and there were small flickers in ALC when the
 meter was in
 that position, but no power out.  Pushing the TUNE button resulted in
 the display
 saying "0 watts".  I played with it for several minutes, was
 unsuccessful in restoring
 any transmit capability, so subbed in the replacement rig and kept
 going.

 I brought my K3 home, plugged it in, connected a key and a dummy load,
 and it
 transmitted perfectly.  No problems.  I've used it about 3 hours since,
 and there
 have been no problems.

 First question, what could have happened to result in the no transmit
 state?
 I will be using my K3 again this weekend in a contest.  If the problem
 happens again, what possible problems should I be looking for? Loose/
 intermittent cable attached to the synthesizer?

 Dennis W1UE

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[Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting (solved)

2017-03-20 Thread Dennis
A couple of weeks ago I posted that my K3 suddenly stopped transmitting 
during ARRL CW.
The PTT would enable, it was not in TEST mode, the CW monitor would 
sound, but no output.
Pushing the TUNE button would result in "0 watts" showing on the 
display.  The problem
persisted after I power cycled the radio, plugged/unplugged the DC 
source, tried various
control changes, and a soft "drop" test.  Through all of this, the Rx 
worked just fine.  Nothing
restored the radio transmitting ability.  So, I swapped it out and 
continued the contest.


When I got home, I hooked the radio up and it transmitted just fine.  
Something happened that
stopped the radio from transmitting, but now it worked fine.  So I 
posted my experiences here

and asked for suggestions.

A number suggested the DC power supply cable.  My experiences at the 
site suggested that wasn't
the culprit.  A number suggested that I had somehow put the radio into 
"TEST" mode, but I was
sure I had not.  I even toggled into and out of "TEST" mode several 
times, but that didn't solve
the problem.  Several suggested that a voltage had been applied to the 
Inhibit pin of the ACC15
connector, but there was nothing plugged into the ACC15 socket.  Two 
suggestions seemed
most plausible: that one of the coax cables from the new synthesizer to 
the other boards was

intermittent, or that the Sub Rx plugs was intermittent.

Once I had a place to look, I opened the radio and did the following:
1. Took a pair of long nose pliers and GENTLY rotated and firmly seated 
each coaxial cable
connector connecting the synthesizer board to the rest of the radio.  
All seemed to be secure

and in tight, but they were all rotated just a little.
2. Checked the seating of the Sub Rx into its connectors.  The back 
connector was not fully
seated- I'd say it was about 80% seated, but there is a little play in 
the connector.  It is now

fully seated.

Since then, I've operated the radio about 30 hours in contesting. The no 
transmit problem
has not come back.  Did I fix it?  The problem had never happened 
before, I don't have a
clear problem that was solved, but it has made it 30 hours now without a 
problem.  At least

for now, I feel the problem has been solved.

Dennis W1UE
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting (solved)

2017-03-20 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH
Well, at least you did (a logical) SOMETHING which in all probability, fixed
the intermittent.
The hardest problems to solve are those where the fault just disappears but
you did NOTHING to fix it.

Fault...open lidclose lid...problem fixed = Yuge question mark!

Thanks especially for sharing your "fix".
It may save a few of us a lot of hair-pulling and/or a trip back to
Elecraft.

It is very frustrating to hear of a problem, and never find out what fixed,
or didn't fix it.

73, Charlie k3ICH

 

-Original Message-
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 7:34 AM
To: Reflector Elecraft 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting (solved)

A couple of weeks ago I posted that my K3 suddenly stopped transmitting
during ARRL CW.
The PTT would enable, it was not in TEST mode, the CW monitor would sound,
but no output.
Pushing the TUNE button would result in "0 watts" showing on the display.
The problem persisted after I power cycled the radio, plugged/unplugged the
DC source, tried various control changes, and a soft "drop" test.  Through
all of this, the Rx worked just fine.  Nothing restored the radio
transmitting ability.  So, I swapped it out and continued the contest.

When I got home, I hooked the radio up and it transmitted just fine.  
Something happened that
stopped the radio from transmitting, but now it worked fine.  So I posted my
experiences here and asked for suggestions.

A number suggested the DC power supply cable.  My experiences at the site
suggested that wasn't the culprit.  A number suggested that I had somehow
put the radio into "TEST" mode, but I was sure I had not.  I even toggled
into and out of "TEST" mode several times, but that didn't solve the
problem.  Several suggested that a voltage had been applied to the Inhibit
pin of the ACC15 connector, but there was nothing plugged into the ACC15
socket.  Two suggestions seemed most plausible: that one of the coax cables
from the new synthesizer to the other boards was intermittent, or that the
Sub Rx plugs was intermittent.

Once I had a place to look, I opened the radio and did the following:
1. Took a pair of long nose pliers and GENTLY rotated and firmly seated each
coaxial cable connector connecting the synthesizer board to the rest of the
radio.  
All seemed to be secure
and in tight, but they were all rotated just a little.
2. Checked the seating of the Sub Rx into its connectors.  The back
connector was not fully
seated- I'd say it was about 80% seated, but there is a little play in the
connector.  It is now fully seated.

Since then, I've operated the radio about 30 hours in contesting. The no
transmit problem has not come back.  Did I fix it?  The problem had never
happened before, I don't have a clear problem that was solved, but it has
made it 30 hours now without a problem.  At least for now, I feel the
problem has been solved.

Dennis W1UE
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting (solved)

2017-03-20 Thread George Thornton
I have written about this before.  I have had similar problems at Field Day, 
and some friends of mine have also had issues while in mobile contest use.

>From what I can tell, the K3 can be very sensitive to power voltage levels.  
>If there is any issue with the power supply itself, or if the cables between 
>the power supply are too long or not of sufficient gauge, power levels can 
>drop at the K3 and can lead to problems including no or limited transmit power.

As an example, I have an Astron power supply mediated through a PWRgate device 
and a separate power distribution panel.  When I route my K3 power this way, I 
can see a drop of as much as one volt or more of input voltage according to the 
K3's internal voltage meter when I transmit.

On the other hand, using a short run of thick gauge wire direct from the PS to 
the K3, the voltage drop is only .1 or.2 volts.

My friend had problems in mobile use in a contest going from the vehicle 
generator (motor on) to car battery.  He ended up installing a voltage booster 
device to get solid performance.

When this happens I was able to restore function by reinstalling firmware and 
recalibrating the transmit power.



From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie 
T, K3ICH
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 5:13 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting (solved)

Well, at least you did (a logical) SOMETHING which in all probability, fixed
the intermittent.
The hardest problems to solve are those where the fault just disappears but
you did NOTHING to fix it.

Fault...open lidclose lid...problem fixed = Yuge question mark!

Thanks especially for sharing your "fix".
It may save a few of us a lot of hair-pulling and/or a trip back to
Elecraft.

It is very frustrating to hear of a problem, and never find out what fixed,
or didn't fix it.

73, Charlie k3ICH



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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 7:34 AM
To: Reflector Elecraft 
<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net%3e>
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stops Transmitting (solved)

A couple of weeks ago I posted that my K3 suddenly stopped transmitting
during ARRL CW.
The PTT would enable, it was not in TEST mode, the CW monitor would sound,
but no output.
Pushing the TUNE button would result in "0 watts" showing on the display.
The problem persisted after I power cycled the radio, plugged/unplugged the
DC source, tried various control changes, and a soft "drop" test. Through
all of this, the Rx worked just fine. Nothing restored the radio
transmitting ability. So, I swapped it out and continued the contest.

When I got home, I hooked the radio up and it transmitted just fine.
Something happened that
stopped the radio from transmitting, but now it worked fine. So I posted my
experiences here and asked for suggestions.

A number suggested the DC power supply cable. My experiences at the site
suggested that wasn't the culprit. A number suggested that I had somehow
put the radio into "TEST" mode, but I was sure I had not. I even toggled
into and out of "TEST" mode several times, but that didn't solve the
problem. Several suggested that a voltage had been applied to the Inhibit
pin of the ACC15 connector, but there was nothing plugged into the ACC15
socket. Two suggestions seemed most plausible: that one of the coax cables
from the new synthesizer to the other boards was intermittent, or that the
Sub Rx plugs was intermittent.

Once I had a place to look, I opened the radio and did the following:
1. Took a pair of long nose pliers and GENTLY rotated and firmly seated each
coaxial cable connector connecting the synthesizer board to the rest of the
radio.
All seemed to be secure
and in tight, but they were all rotated just a little.
2. Checked the seating of the Sub Rx into its connectors. The back
connector was not fully
seated- I'd say it was about 80% seated, but there is a little play in the
connector. It is now fully seated.

Since then, I've operated the radio about 30 hours in contesting. The no
transmit problem has not come back. Did I fix it? The problem had never
happened before, I don't have a clear problem that was solved, but it has
made it 30 hours now without a problem. At least for now, I feel the
problem has been solved.

Dennis W1UE
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