Re: [Elecraft] Mail list not working?
Interesting - not working on Win 7 machines or the Win 10 machines. Maybe Time Warner views the list as vermin and has it blocked. All else is working here and it is not a cache problem either. Not the first time this has happened - it takes care of itself after a few days. Maybe it will this time also. I even dumped the router/modem - no joy there, just wasted time. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mail list not working?
Bill, I have extensive experience getting email delivered in a commercial setting for our product that sends 1000s of status and report emails per day. While it is wrong to blame the actual recipient, delivery problems are almost always related to the recipient's email service, often an ISP of company. We see this every day where we can see that our email servers have delivered the email to the recipient's email server and yet the user never has it delivered to his or her inbox. The usual reason is related to anti-spam measures that ISPs employ. Most now discard a good percentage of inbound email without even bothering to place it in a spam folder. Sometimes, like gmail does all the time, the email is quarantined either for a period of time or indefinitely pending manual release. This is often done to see if this is a an email that is being sent to many other recipients at the ISP, in which case it is probably spam. Others are more helpful, sending our servers a rejection message saying things line "Blacklisted" or "violates local email policy" or something similar. Other times it is a temporary error of some sort and we get rejections saying "excessive email rate", "user not found" or "mailbox full". We can often see that this is an error, because after some number of attempts or a few days, the "User is again found". My point is that in all these cases, the delivery is failing on the "user's side of the internet" even if they have no direct control of the receiving email server. And short of coordinating with the ISP to get whitelisted, there is not a lot the sender can do. Regards, - Brendon KK6AYI On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Bill wrote: > I always chuckle how it is always the user's fault When the ISP chokes on > an email - the message you get is to "resend the proper password" - or some > such indicator that it is the user's fault. That appears to be the attitude > with this list. The problem is with the user. At least, that is how I would > interpret all those direct emails I received from other users. > > Got news - in this case (and most cases) it was not. > > This morning the list spit a bunch of messages out - but is still not > completely up to date. Nothing was done here to cause this. Hence, the > problem lies some place between the mailman.qth.net and the local ISP. > Makes me think that mail-archive.com has a propagation problem. This is > not an issue that will ever be solved by the user. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bren...@whateley.com > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mail list not working?
Must be on your side somewhere. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > On Mar 18, 2016, at 12:50 PM, Bill wrote: > > Is the mail list not working or is it on my side? Last post I see was on the > 15th. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mail list not working?
On 3/19/2016 8:37 AM, Bill wrote: Makes me think that mail-archive.com has a propagation problem. This is not an issue that will ever be solved by the user. Maybe you should be receiving the list *directly from Mailman* and not using an intermediary server/service like mail-archive.com. I do not see any issues with the direct e-mail. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mail list not working?
I always chuckle how it is always the user's fault When the ISP chokes on an email - the message you get is to "resend the proper password" - or some such indicator that it is the user's fault. That appears to be the attitude with this list. The problem is with the user. At least, that is how I would interpret all those direct emails I received from other users. Got news - in this case (and most cases) it was not. This morning the list spit a bunch of messages out - but is still not completely up to date. Nothing was done here to cause this. Hence, the problem lies some place between the mailman.qth.net and the local ISP. Makes me think that mail-archive.com has a propagation problem. This is not an issue that will ever be solved by the user. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Elecraft] Mail list not working?
Is the mail list not working or is it on my side? Last post I see was on the 15th. Bill W2BLC K-Line __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mail list not working?
You can always read the posts in the archives: http://mailman.qth.net/pipermail/elecraft/2016-March/date.html John KK9A Bill w2blc at nycap.rr.com Fri Mar 18 14:27:29 EDT 2016 [Elecraft] Mail list not working? Interesting - not working on Win 7 machines or the Win 10 machines. Maybe Time Warner views the list as vermin and has it blocked. All else is working here and it is not a cache problem either. Not the first time this has happened - it takes care of itself after a few days. Maybe it will this time also. I even dumped the router/modem - no joy there, just wasted time. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mail list not working?
Working on my windows 10 desktop, my windows 7 laptop, my Apple IPADMini, and my Galaxy S6 Android phone. -Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Friday, March 18, 2016 2:27 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mail list not working? Interesting - not working on Win 7 machines or the Win 10 machines. Maybe Time Warner views the list as vermin and has it blocked. All else is working here and it is not a cache problem either. Not the first time this has happened - it takes care of itself after a few days. Maybe it will this time also. I even dumped the router/modem - no joy there, just wasted time. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to je...@carolinaheli.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Elecraft] Mail list not working?
Working OK in Montana ... 73 K0PP __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
