[Elecraft] Miles per Watt

2005-01-07 Thread S55M
Miles per Watt is nonsense data to impress people.because nothing happens in 
linear mode!!!So increasing or decreasing power by 10 times will not expand 
range by 10 times..
More you go to miliwatts better will be m/W calculated ratio.

Adi
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[Elecraft] Miles per Watt

2005-01-07 Thread Pierre Desjardins


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From: Pierre Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: S55M [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2005 17:39
Subject: [Elecraft] Miles per Watt



Miles per Watt is nonsense data to impress
people.because nothing happens in linear mode!!!


Not a linear behavior for sure...

Lets say that a 500 mW signal at 7,4 mHz is received 4000 km away and that
both antennas are half-waves dipoles. We could be tempted to say that an 1
watt signal would reach 8000 km in the same conditions.

But according to the Friis transmission formula, the first 500 mW signal is
reduced to 0,0096 microwatts at the received end, and the second one (1
watt) is a whooping 0,0048 microwatts! Still readable? Not sure...

The inverse of the square of the distances is working there, hyperbolic, not
linear. Twice the power, but the distance doubled,  squared makes 4 and the
fraction becomes 1/2.

72/73, de VE2PID
KX1 # 442

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Re: [Elecraft] Miles per Watt

2005-01-07 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr.
It's all in fun, miles, the simple math, the whole bit.  As I pointed 
out on slashdot, it's a simpified model.  Going to inverse squared is 
one step closer to the physics, but it's a slippery slope.  You will 
want to measure the ERP in the direction used by the propagation path, 
factor in the antenna receiving gain sinilarly, use the IONCAP or that 
Australian ionosonde data to find the length of the actual propagation 
path and refraction angles (It's not like the radio signal goes on a 
great circle path!  Perhaps the 3d straight-line distance through the 
Earth wold be better?), subtract our D layer attenuation, note the 
coding gain in dB -- surely there is some gain in QRSS at one hour -- 
and finally define an acceptable BER (bit error rate).  In other words, 
you can make it as complicated as you want.  Or as simple as 1000 miles 
per watt.  DX can have a 1000kKM/watt award!

Leigh.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:40 pm, S55M wrote:
Miles per Watt is nonsense data to impress people.because nothing 
happens in linear mode!!!So increasing or decreasing power by 10 times 
will not expand range by 10 times..

More you go to miliwatts better will be m/W calculated ratio.

Adi
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