Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oddly enough, I've encountered many a cell phone that announces an incoming text message by sending SMS - in Morse! These phones are probably manufactured by a small unknown finnish company ;-) where a rather well-known finnish ham (OH2BH) works. Those same phones will happily spell the company motto in code when the active ringtone is LongLoud. As an exercise to the reader, work out the name of the company 8-) I actually bothered to create a special ringtone that says QRZ? and assigned it the HAM caller group 8-) B73, Andrea. -- Homepage: http://andrea.borgia.bo.it /Amateur radio: IZ4FHT ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
On Sun, 2005-05-15 at 08:46 +0200, Andrea Borgia wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oddly enough, I've encountered many a cell phone that announces an incoming text message by sending SMS - in Morse! These phones are probably manufactured by a small unknown finnish company ;-) where a rather well-known finnish ham (OH2BH) works. Those same phones will happily spell the company motto in code when the active ringtone is LongLoud. As an exercise to the reader, work out the name of the company 8-) I actually bothered to create a special ringtone that says QRZ? and assigned it the HAM caller group 8-) Actually my cell phone (or as the europeans say mobile) has a tag inside saying Hecho en Mexico which I assume is the Finnish way of spelling Finland. I think the company name was taken from a protest sign opposing a brand of cars made in South Korea. 73, Bob N7XY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
I caught the segment you guys smoked em Great job of staying with the message even thru the crowd noise When you raised your hand that you were done the kids expression was amazing He could not believe you guys were already done Thanks for the great exposure about morse code Oh and the telegrapher outfits were great !! I would say you guys were running about 30 wpm K9NX Jonesy K2 #4491 9 Land the Black Hole of RF -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Miller, K6CTW Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 10:13 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th All, Tonight Chip, K7JA and I, K6CTW will be having a contest on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. It will pit morse code vs text messaging (by the current US champions). Please watch, and if you enjoy the segment, please write, telegram, call or email the Tonight show and tell them you want to see more about this! It's a great chance for us to plug Morse, telegraphy and ham radio! Thanks. 73, Ken K6CTW ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
Paul wrote: and for reliable point to point communication, the instant messaging devices are way better in every way. My experience with employer-company-supplied-paid cell devices has been different. When I worked one of this U.S.'s largest technology tradeshows in Las Vegas, NV, and I'm standing in a line at a cab-stand, waiting to catch a ride back to my hotel, and I can't get enough signal (bars) to make a call, in a place like that, the last word I expect anyone to associate with any cell device is reliability. PLEASE. 73, Don - W7DAH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
On May 14, 2005, at 10:14 AM, Don - W7DAH wrote: Paul wrote: and for reliable point to point communication, the instant messaging devices are way better in every way. My experience with employer-company-supplied-paid cell devices has been different. When I worked one of this U.S.'s largest technology tradeshows in Las Vegas, NV, and I'm standing in a line at a cab-stand, waiting to catch a ride back to my hotel, and I can't get enough signal (bars) to make a call, in a place like that, the last word I expect anyone to associate with any cell device is reliability. PLEASE. OK, so did you pull out your KX1 and keyer and call him up? Because that's what we're talking about is the more reliable way to communicate, not whether you got any bars at a cab stand once. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
Tim Jones wrote: I caught the segment you guys smoked em Great job of staying with the message even thru the crowd noise When you raised your hand that you were done the kids expression was amazing He could not believe you guys were already done Thanks for the great exposure about morse code Oh and the telegrapher outfits were great !! -Original Message- On Behalf Of Ken Miller, K6CTW It's a great chance for us to plug Morse, telegraphy and ham radio! Thanks. It *was* a great segment... But speaking from our experience working with publicity and media relations for the Pink Pistols ( http://www.pinkpistols.org ) over the last few years, I just think it's sad that the Leno people managed to almost completely bury the ham radio connection, although one of you (I missed which one) managed to punch up that point despite the overall spin of the segment. I wonder how many people watching even knew that radios were being used? I also think the costumes (and they *were* really cute) helped contriubute to the perception that Morse is something that's not done outside museums anymore. When you only have two or three minutes to work with it's hard to do everything you might want to. But a valiant effort nontheless! Congratulations es 73 de Maggie K3XS -- -/___. _)Margaret Stephanie Leber CCP, SCJP/The art of progress / /(, /| /| http://voicenet.com/~maggie SCWCD/ is to preserve order/ ---/ / | / | _ _ _` _ AOPA 925383/ amid change and to / --/ ) / |/ |_(_(_(_/_(_/__(__(/_ K3XS / preserve change amid/ -/ (_/ '.-/ .-/ARRL 39280 /order.-A.N.Whitehead/ /(_/_(_/___AMSAT 32844_/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
You guys did a great job! The costumes were great, especially since you were using keys that most people wouldn't recognize. The comments were FB publicity. It all made the center point: Ham radio and Morse code is still around and the most modern communications are not necessarily faster. It really did a great job of 'poking a hole' in the notion that higher tech is better tech G. And all of that in a few seconds as part of a simple little game Leno wanted to play. No, it's not likely to cause a rush to the hobby. That wasn't the opportunity or the point. Of course, if you had lost the contest you do realize that you'd have to take up collecting shells or basket weaving instead of Ham radio, don't you? Hi! 73, Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
R: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
Hellò list! Is that show available somewhere on the I'net? Would like to see it :-) 73 and congratulations to everybody involved! Joe, IW7ECJ (No-Code, but admired of coders nonetheless!) -Messaggio originale- Da: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:elecraft- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Per conto di Margaret Leber Inviato: sabato 14 maggio 2005 17.54 A: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Oggetto: Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th Tim Jones wrote: I caught the segment you guys smoked em ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
I remember the Walter Winchell newscasts when I was a kid. The experts from the broadcasting bunch say Winchell's code was a bunch of gibberish and he wasn't actually sending any code at all! Just something to get the listeners excited, like he was reading flashes from an active circuit! 73, Sandy W5TVW - Original Message - From: Bob - W5BIG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th | The costumes were a brilliant idea! Really added spice to the scene. | | Hearing the code on TV reminded me of Walter Winchell back in the 50's. | During his broadcast he would send code. It was fascinating. More info here: | http://chss.montclair.edu/~pererat/mww.htm | | I couldn't copy code then so I don't know if he was sending real text or | not, maybe someone can comment on that. | | 73/ Bob - W5BIG | | | | | ___ | Elecraft mailing list | Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net | You must be a subscriber to post to the list. | Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): | http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft | | Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm | Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com | ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
Its available there: http://www.tarc.org/leno/leno.wmv 73, de VE2PID ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
Winchell didn't send code (or, at least if he did, it was in code). He had a bug next to his right hand, and he would, for dramatic effect, slap it around a bit. best wishes, dave belsley, w1euy On May 14, 2005, at 12:33 PM, Bob - W5BIG wrote: The costumes were a brilliant idea! Really added spice to the scene. Hearing the code on TV reminded me of Walter Winchell back in the 50's. During his broadcast he would send code. It was fascinating. More info here: http://chss.montclair.edu/~pererat/mww.htm I couldn't copy code then so I don't know if he was sending real text or not, maybe someone can comment on that. 73/ Bob - W5BIG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
I did a little arithmetic to determine the skills necessary for this 'competition'. It appears the text only folks never stood a chance. Using the standard word PARIS here is the run down. PARIS * 20 wpm = 100 chars/minute 100 chars/60 seconds = 1.67 chars/second At 27 wpm = 2.25 chars/sec At 30 wpm = 2.5 chars/sec. Having never used text messaging, since cell phones do not work where I live, I cannot truly measure the dexterity required to pass this bit of traffic. Since I am a touch typist at a moderate rate of 60 wpm I know I could beat most CW ops if given the chance to type the message on a QWERTY keyboard and send it via one of the digital modes. But on a little cellphone's keypad I do believe I would be severely hampered by its user interface. They are pretty much a two finger input device as far as I can tell. My dad was pretty good at two finger typing (40 wpm) but that method has its inherent difficulties. I don't think this was a valid test of different user interfaces but it makes for a fine joke. Now if those folks using the cellphones would have had Wayne's two button (dot/dash) user input device they would have been on the same footing. But even then there would have been the use of repeaters and landline circuits to transfer their message. This would have slowed the information exchange by just enough to get themselves smoked by the simplex transfer of data by the '817 to '817 connection. The contest would have been more fair however. Imagine if our very own Chicken Fat Operator N0SS had been the keying op? The poor cell op would truly have had egg on his face ;) Long live CW!! 73, Kevin. KD5ONS Should truly be called the Vail Code but I digress. KJR -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
I posted the math here based on the Guinness sentence that the text messenger had to send for his world record, but I'm too lazy to look for it now. The official text is 160 characters INCLUDING spaces, 136 without. But SMS requires that spaces be keyed in where Morse does not. So SMS is at a throughput disadvantage from the beginning. Ben Cook set the text messenger record with 160 characters in 57.75 seconds. That works out to 29 wpm (5.5 wpm) for 160 characters or about 24 wpm without. Actually quite unbelievably fast for anyone who has entered an address or note on their cell phone. So to beat him, it only required sending Morse at 24 wpm. My guess is Chip was sending at better than 25, but less than 30 wpm. It doesn't so much speak to the efficiency of Morse as it speaks to the unbearably pathetic human interface that is SMS. However, it takes less than 5 minutes to learn SMS, and probably that many days or even weeks to reach a comparable speed in Morse. AND, the receiver already has the skills necessary to read SMS where Morse requires a trained operator at both ends. Not to apologize for Ben Cook, but he probably practiced the Guinness script every waking moment before his record attempt. He was seeing the Tonight Show text for the first time. So what do we have? I'd say 3:06 minutes of light television entertainment. That's good enough. Eric KE6US -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Rock Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 11:27 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th I did a little arithmetic to determine the skills necessary for this 'competition'. It appears the text only folks never stood a chance. Using the standard word PARIS here is the run down. PARIS * 20 wpm = 100 chars/minute 100 chars/60 seconds = 1.67 chars/second At 27 wpm = 2.25 chars/sec At 30 wpm = 2.5 chars/sec. Having never used text messaging, since cell phones do not work where I live, I cannot truly measure the dexterity required to pass this bit of traffic. Since I am a touch typist at a moderate rate of 60 wpm I know I could beat most CW ops if given the chance to type the message on a QWERTY keyboard and send it via one of the digital modes. But on a little cellphone's keypad I do believe I would be severely hampered by its user interface. They are pretty much a two finger input device as far as I can tell. My dad was pretty good at two finger typing (40 wpm) but that method has its inherent difficulties. I don't think this was a valid test of different user interfaces but it makes for a fine joke. Now if those folks using the cellphones would have had Wayne's two button (dot/dash) user input device they would have been on the same footing. But even then there would have been the use of repeaters and landline circuits to transfer their message. This would have slowed the information exchange by just enough to get themselves smoked by the simplex transfer of data by the '817 to '817 connection. The contest would have been more fair however. Imagine if our very own Chicken Fat Operator N0SS had been the keying op? The poor cell op would truly have had egg on his face ;) Long live CW!! 73, Kevin. KD5ONS Should truly be called the Vail Code but I digress. KJR -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
Its unfortunate they had to be costumed up as 140 year old telegraphers. It may have been cute however it doesn't do our image much good. Some would say that any publicity is good publicity but I'm not so sure in this case. But hey, more importantly, we're those FT-817's by any chance? Likely just coincidence no doubt. Fortunately, at that distance you wouldn't require a PA. Gregg, VE4NU --- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
It requires time, but it doesn't require sending an additional character. The SMS guy had to physically click a space key like any other character. The Morse guy didn't. -Original Message- From: David A. Belsley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 1:34 PM To: EricJ Cc: 'Kevin Rock'; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th I posted the math here based on the Guinness sentence that the text messenger had to send for his world record, but I'm too lazy to look for it now. The official text is 160 characters INCLUDING spaces, 136 without. But SMS requires that spaces be keyed in where Morse does not. So SMS is at a throughput disadvantage from the beginning. A space requires time in code, too. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
You guys are missing something in the timing. Sending an SMS message requires far more than just keying in the receiver's phone number and the text itself. Once all this is keyed in and the send button is pressed, the cell system takes over. Much like the email system we are now using, the SMS message is forwarded into the SMS gateway, which is most likely located at some central point in the cellphone company's system. There are amazingly few of these due to the vast amount of bandwidth inside the phone companies. The next time the system services outgoing messages, the server will start checking for delivery parameters, such as if the receiving phone is available and ready to accept a message. When all these gates have been cleared, the message is forwarded to the receiver. Only then does the message come up for display. This can happen quickly (hundreds of milliseconds), or rather slowly (minutes or more) depending on the loading of the SMS system and the overall cell system. Jack, what you say is true. However, you're missing the fact that the kid was still in the process of keying in his sentence when the code guys had finished. It would be interesting to know just how far he had gotten, but it is clear it was not to the end. best wishes, dave belsley, w1euy ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
In a message dated 5/14/05 4:46:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sending an SMS message requires far more than just keying in the receiver's phone number and the text itself. Once all this is keyed in and the send button is pressed, the cell system takes over. Right - but the text messagers weren't done entering the message before the Morse ops were done. The delay in the SMS system was immaterial - they never got to the point of sending, at least from what I saw. Besides, the challenge was simply which mode was faster. That was clearly demonstrated. Oddly enough, I've encountered many a cell phone that announces an incoming text message by sending SMS - in Morse! 73 de Jim, N2EY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
In a message dated 5/14/05 4:05:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The official text is 160 characters INCLUDING spaces, 136 without. But SMS requires that spaces be keyed in where Morse does not. So SMS is at a throughput disadvantage from the beginning. No it isn't. Morse requires spaces between letters and words, and the spaces are longer than some letters! In the Australian test, btw, the text messagers used abbreviations and the Morse ops used the straight text, yet Morse still won. Don't know if the Leno test allowed text abbreviations - the Morse ops sent the straight text. 73 de Jim, N2EY looking for my green eyeshade. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
In a message dated 5/14/05 4:33:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Its unfortunate they had to be costumed up as 140 year old telegraphers. I think it was a great idea! It may have been cute however it doesn't do our image much good. Sure it does - it shows we have a sense of humor. Plus, TV is visual, and the costumes made it clear to the audience who was who. It should also be remembered that the text message sender was the *world champion*, not someone selected at random. Some would say that any publicity is good publicity but I'm not so sure in this case. I think they did a great job and the costumes were a nice touch. 73 de Jim, N2EY ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 06:32:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should also be remembered that the text message sender was the *world champion*, not someone selected at random. To my mind, this point bears repeating and emphasis. With underline, in bold, parentheses, and a large font. Ken, please understand I'm not saying this to diminish your skill, Chip's skill, or your accomplishment. But they pitted the *world champion* SMS people against two mid-speed code operators--not two ops at the top of their art, but fairly typical morse ops working at a speed that isn't especially noteworthy in our community. While Ken and Chip are both undoubtedly fantastic ops and obviously skilled in their art, they aren't especially unusual, and this bears emphasis. The best of the best still got beat out by good, though not atypical. Vy 73! -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV : Co-Mod. of http://www.assist.com/Pennsylvania - Protect Your Family From Disease: glyconutrients help your body repair, defend, and correct itself. MIT says this discovery will change the world: http://www.theoptimalhealthsolution.com - High tech meets high touch: What happens when a 135+-year-old company, modern technology, and a dynamic team come together? See for yourself in this free Ebook: http://www.tastybiz.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
Hi Buddy: I suspect you don't know K7JA, who has, for the past 30+ years, been one of the WORLD'S TOP CW CONTEST OPS! Chip can run 'em at 40-45 WPM just as easily as he can run 'em at 25 WPM. And, I'll bet, that if Ken's been Chip's contesting 'partner', he's no slouch either. It' s just that they were sending at a speed reasonable enough to fully ensure 100 percent copy regardless of the amount of background QRM. 73, Tom Hammond N0SS At 06:33 PM 5/14/05, Buddy Brannan wrote: On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 06:32:33PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It should also be remembered that the text message sender was the *world champion*, not someone selected at random. To my mind, this point bears repeating and emphasis. With underline, in bold, parentheses, and a large font. Ken, please understand I'm not saying this to diminish your skill, Chip's skill, or your accomplishment. But they pitted the *world champion* SMS people against two mid-speed code operators--not two ops at the top of their art, but fairly typical morse ops working at a speed that isn't especially noteworthy in our community. While Ken and Chip are both undoubtedly fantastic ops and obviously skilled in their art, they aren't especially unusual, and this bears emphasis. The best of the best still got beat out by good, though not atypical. Vy 73! -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV : Co-Mod. of http://www.assist.com/Pennsylvania - Protect Your Family From Disease: glyconutrients help your body repair, defend, and correct itself. MIT says this discovery will change the world: http://www.theoptimalhealthsolution.com - High tech meets high touch: What happens when a 135+-year-old company, modern technology, and a dynamic team come together? See for yourself in this free Ebook: http://www.tastybiz.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
Tom N0SS wrote: Hi Buddy: I suspect you don't know K7JA, who has, for the past 30+ years, been one of the WORLD'S TOP CW CONTEST OPS! Chip can run 'em at 40-45 WPM just as easily as he can run 'em at 25 WPM. And, I'll bet, that if Ken's been Chip's contesting 'partner', he's no slouch either. It' s just that they were sending at a speed reasonable enough to fully ensure 100 percent copy regardless of the amount of background QRM. \ That explains a lot, but it doesn't alter the fact that they were not sending at anything most operators would consider QRQ. I was impressed that Ken could copy through the racket. I could, but then I wasn't there with all the echoes and distractions, not to mention having my reputation on the line to win the contest G That would have qualify as at least as stressful as any FCC code exam I sat through, Amateur or commercial! Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
All, Tonight Chip, K7JA and I, K6CTW will be having a contest on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. It will pit morse code vs text messaging (by the current US champions). Please watch, and if you enjoy the segment, please write, telegram, call or email the Tonight show and tell them you want to see more about this! It's a great chance for us to plug Morse, telegraphy and ham radio! Thanks. 73, Ken K6CTW ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
I guess you can't tell us ahead of time who won - as if there was any doubt 73 de Jim, N2EY -Original Message- From: Ken Miller, K6CTW [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Fri, 13 May 2005 08:12:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th All, Tonight Chip, K7JA and I, K6CTW will be having a contest on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. It will pit morse code vs text messaging (by the current US champions). ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
On May 13, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Ken Miller, K6CTW wrote: All, Tonight Chip, K7JA and I, K6CTW will be having a contest on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. It will pit morse code vs text messaging (by the current US champions). Please watch, and if you enjoy the segment, please write, telegram, call or email the Tonight show and tell them you want to see more about this! It's a great chance for us to plug Morse, telegraphy and ham radio! Thanks. A noble idea to write them to try to plug the hobby, but realistically, the reason they chose morse code is because in the public's eye, it is a ridiculously archaic (to the point of humor) method of communication from the turn of the century. To have it beat text messaging kids and their amazing modern electronic devices from this century is funny. The last thing they care about is broadening the public's understanding of a fading hobby. They are after all, a comedy/entertainment show, not any kind of educational resource. I wish you the best of luck and I will certainly be cheering you on because I love the hobby and all it has done for communication over the years, but I can't imagine that this is going to do anything to promote amateur radio. The contest shows the weakness of the small instant messaging devices' human interfaces more than anything else. Any competent keyboardist on a full size keyboard could whip any coder, and for reliable point to point communication, the instant messaging devices are way better in every way. For a real race, they would set you up with a radio and the other guy with a Blackberry and have each contestant send a message to a buddy without any pre-arrangement. The winner would be the first one whose buddy got the message. You'd likely lose that one! But I'll certainly Tivo it! ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
On Fri, 13 May 2005, Ken Miller, K6CTW wrote: All, Tonight Chip, K7JA and I, K6CTW will be having a contest on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. It will pit morse code vs text messaging (by the current US champions). Please watch, and if you enjoy the segment, please write, telegram, call or email the Tonight show and tell them you want to see more about this! It's a great chance for us to plug Morse, telegraphy and ham radio! Thanks. Thanks in advance for representing uswish you well. 73,Thom-k3hrn www.zerobeat.net Home of QRP Web Ring, Drakelist home page, Free Classified Ads for amateur radio, QRP IRC channel Elecraft Owners Database www.tlchost.net/ Web Hosting as low as 3.49/month ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] Morse on the Tonight Show, Tonight, Friday the 13th
Good luck! It is a great 'plug' (if you win, especially!). Even though Leno is doing it for entertainment value, there's benefit from raising awareness that that an arcane system like Morse not only is still in use, it is also competitive. It's good Leno does it for entertainment. A good laugh is remembered far after a serious lesson has been forgotten. Ron AC7AC ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
