Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver
Since the FCC decided to throw away Morse code, courtesy has all but disappeared, and contests have almost totally taken over. There is little places to go and have a CW QSO anymore. Most of the CW ops nowadays seem to be contesters so you either join them or stay off the air. There seems to be no place to go anymore on HF. WARC bands? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver
now there's a thought, definitely have to study for my advanced if for no other reason than to get away from all them contesters. although it might be fun to jump in there and see just what this contesting business is all about. On 19/03/2008 10:05 PM, the old scribe known as Charlotte Bob Higgins was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: Since the FCC decided to throw away Morse code, courtesy has all but disappeared, and contests have almost totally taken over. There is little places to go and have a CW QSO anymore. Most of the CW ops nowadays seem to be contesters so you either join them or stay off the air. There seems to be no place to go anymore on HF. WARC bands? __ NOD32 2959 (20080319) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT]
Is this actually true? I'm not clear on what happened in the US with no longer requiring a Morse cert. and would like someone to set me straight (I really mean that, I'd like to understand the real story). My understanding is: 1) the requirement for a morse cert was removed from the license 2) this allows you to get a license and operate without morse 3) the FCC did not 'throw away Morse', just removed the requirement to have it In the UK, this same action in 2003 has resulted in more newcomers (since Morse is no longer an obstacle) and in fact, more people wishing to learn Morse (myself included) since on using HF, it becomes clear just how significant CW is to making contacts, especially DX. So, by no longer forcing people to learn Morse, we have encouraged more to do so. In my limited experience, courtesy not slowing slipping away, lack of it is in the minority. And mostly the usage of that term is used when describing large contests where band plans get ignored. I don't wish to get into the Contest verses DX type issues. There does seem to be a concern that SSB contests wipe out the CW parts of the band during the contest. I would have thought that applied far more here than in the US where my understanding is the band plan is mandator - in the UK is advisory (provided you stick within the spectrum allocation). Contests are on the rise yes, but I don't think that can be blamed on the removal of the Morse requirement - surly if anything, this indicates a greater usage of CW (assuming we are talking CWE contests). In fact, are contests on the increase or is it just poor DX conditions making it appear that way? On the question of where to go to use Morse, what about the freq. used by FIST members. Just because they are used by FISTS, does not prevent anyone from using them (no-one owns a freq.) and if you hear someone calling CQ FISTS, work them. FISTS members are happy to work anyone and are not exclusively FISTS - and if you find someone is, then they should not be a member of FISTS, IMHO. There freq. are found at http://www.fists.co.uk/index_files/FREQS.htm 73 de M0XDF / FISTS #12575, K3 #174, HexKey #375 -- One can pay back the loan of gold, but one dies forever in debt to those who are kind. -Malayan Proverb On 19 Mar 2008, at 11:05, Charlotte Bob Higgins wrote: Since the FCC decided to throw away Morse code, courtesy has all but disappeared, and contests have almost totally taken over. There is little places to go and have a CW QSO anymore. Most of the CW ops nowadays seem to be contesters so you either join them or stay off the air. There seems to be no place to go anymore on HF. WARC bands? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT]
you know, once you remove the requirement for someone to do something in order to gain a qualification or a certificate of proficiency, or the like, there's more insentive to go learn it for the fun of it. if you're required to do the thing, then it's alot less enjoyable. On 19/03/2008 10:35 PM, the old scribe known as David Ferrington, M0XDF was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: Is this actually true? I'm not clear on what happened in the US with no longer requiring a Morse cert. and would like someone to set me straight (I really mean that, I'd like to understand the real story). My understanding is: 1) the requirement for a morse cert was removed from the license 2) this allows you to get a license and operate without morse 3) the FCC did not 'throw away Morse', just removed the requirement to have it In the UK, this same action in 2003 has resulted in more newcomers (since Morse is no longer an obstacle) and in fact, more people wishing to learn Morse (myself included) since on using HF, it becomes clear just how significant CW is to making contacts, especially DX. So, by no longer forcing people to learn Morse, we have encouraged more to do so. In my limited experience, courtesy not slowing slipping away, lack of it is in the minority. And mostly the usage of that term is used when describing large contests where band plans get ignored. I don't wish to get into the Contest verses DX type issues. There does seem to be a concern that SSB contests wipe out the CW parts of the band during the contest. I would have thought that applied far more here than in the US where my understanding is the band plan is mandator - in the UK is advisory (provided you stick within the spectrum allocation). Contests are on the rise yes, but I don't think that can be blamed on the removal of the Morse requirement - surly if anything, this indicates a greater usage of CW (assuming we are talking CWE contests). In fact, are contests on the increase or is it just poor DX conditions making it appear that way? On the question of where to go to use Morse, what about the freq. used by FIST members. Just because they are used by FISTS, does not prevent anyone from using them (no-one owns a freq.) and if you hear someone calling CQ FISTS, work them. FISTS members are happy to work anyone and are not exclusively FISTS - and if you find someone is, then they should not be a member of FISTS, IMHO. There freq. are found at http://www.fists.co.uk/index_files/FREQS.htm 73 de M0XDF / FISTS #12575, K3 #174, HexKey #375 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT]
David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: In the UK, this same action in 2003 has resulted in more newcomers (since Morse is no longer an obstacle) and in fact, more people wishing to learn Morse (myself included) since on using HF, it becomes clear just how significant CW is to making contacts, especially DX. So, by no longer forcing people to learn Morse, we have encouraged more to do so. To tell from the activity on the CW bands I would say you are wrong. Activity on the CW bands are a far cry compared to what it used to be 10 years ago, not to mention 20-30 years ago. Less and less people use CW on the ham bands! Sad but it´s a fact. 73 Jim SM2EKM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT]
I think I'd agree with that assessment also. it takes a certain mindset to use morse and not everybody is built for it. having said that, it doesn't mean the practise should die out. On 19/03/2008 11:17 PM, the old scribe known as Jan Erik Holm was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: In the UK, this same action in 2003 has resulted in more newcomers (since Morse is no longer an obstacle) and in fact, more people wishing to learn Morse (myself included) since on using HF, it becomes clear just how significant CW is to making contacts, especially DX. So, by no longer forcing people to learn Morse, we have encouraged more to do so. To tell from the activity on the CW bands I would say you are wrong. Activity on the CW bands are a far cry compared to what it used to be 10 years ago, not to mention 20-30 years ago. Less and less people use CW on the ham bands! Sad but it´s a fact. 73 Jim SM2EKM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com __ NOD32 2959 (20080319) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- Shaun web sites: http://www.myspace.com/blindmanshaunoliver http://blindman.homelinux.org/~blindman/ msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yahoo:: blindman01_2000 skype: brailledude ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT]
Listening from my QTH it appears activity is low on all modes, including local 2m FM which died to nothing 10 years ago. 40m CW activity has lessened in the past few years, but it's still the place to be. 80m CW is sad, nothing there unless a weekend contest. On higher frequencies unable to tell what activity there is without propagation. The wonders of the internet and cellphones! Have a great rest of the week! Ken, KA0W --- Jan Erik Holm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: In the UK, this same action in 2003 has resulted in more newcomers (since Morse is no longer an obstacle) and in fact, more people wishing to learn Morse (myself included) since on using HF, it becomes clear just how significant CW is to making contacts, especially DX. So, by no longer forcing people to learn Morse, we have encouraged more to do so. To tell from the activity on the CW bands I would say you are wrong. Activity on the CW bands are a far cry compared to what it used to be 10 years ago, not to mention 20-30 years ago. Less and less people use CW on the ham bands! Sad but it´s a fact. 73 Jim SM2EKM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT]
I am a ham now simply because I became aware that I didn't need Morse - in my mind I had discounted being a ham, because I always thought Morse was a requirement (from the age of 16). I wasn't aware of the class B license (right term?) and it wasn't until I was involved in an International Scout camp at which we had a radio exhibit (RCF GB4FUN) that a fellow Scouter and Ham explained that Morse was no longer necessary and in fact had just been removed as a requirement altogether in the UK (this was Aug'03). By Oct'03 I had my Foundation license, passed my advanced in Jun'06, and then started working on my Morse (I'm still working on it :). I believe we need to find a way to publicize amateur radio more and to remove the mythical barrier of Morse from public perception. There are pleanty of modes available, some of them (data etc) do allow good DX QSOs in current poor conditions. I'm not suggesting we forget CW, I'm a member of FISTS and want to promote Morse too. But I do think we could encourage many more prospective members of the hobby if we 'softly, softly, catchy monkey'. On the specifics of activity, I'm too new to know. Is the lack of activity due in part to poor conditions and the advancement of data modes allow contacts that could only have occurred on CW before? Does the lack of CW activity correlate with a general decline in the hobby? I'd like to see CW continue and grow, but I think what is far more important is that the hobby continues and grows. If that unfortunately means people move away from CW and migrate to other modes, then I guess that's how the human race advances. 73 de M0XDF / FISTS #12575, K3 #174, HexKey #375 -- Unix is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to understand the simplicity. -- Dennis Ritchie On 19 Mar 2008, at 12:22, Shaun Oliver wrote: I think I'd agree with that assessment also. it takes a certain mindset to use morse and not everybody is built for it. having said that, it doesn't mean the practise should die out. On 19/03/2008 11:17 PM, the old scribe known as Jan Erik Holm was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote: In the UK, this same action in 2003 has resulted in more newcomers (since Morse is no longer an obstacle) and in fact, more people wishing to learn Morse (myself included) since on using HF, it becomes clear just how significant CW is to making contacts, especially DX. So, by no longer forcing people to learn Morse, we have encouraged more to do so. To tell from the activity on the CW bands I would say you are wrong. Activity on the CW bands are a far cry compared to what it used to be 10 years ago, not to mention 20-30 years ago. Less and less people use CW on the ham bands! Sad but it´s a fact. 73 Jim SM2EKM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver
It's like the automobile. Same old dirty, greasy, loud internal combustion engine under the hood, that's been around for over a hundred years. The only difference is the electronics like GPS navigation, DVD players, stereo systems, etc. Lots of lights and buttons but, it still does the same thing in the same way...except now it costs a whole lot more to run. Gary, N7HTS On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:47:27 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After reading the owners manual on this new 7700 rig, the only thing I found unusual is the Auto Tune feature on both CW and AM. Beside being large heavy with no sub receiver -- another downer is the 4 large fans and the potential to be very noisy like some of their other gear. HRO is offering it on pre release special for March. If you click on the rigs picture, it will provide you the details. Its not too likely they will peddle very many of them unless someone becomes awe struck by the Spectrum Scope. Lots of wiz bang --- if you get caught up in it :-) **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000301) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver
Caution, Shaun. Think before you leap. Contesting has been demonstrated to be an addictive pasttime. You might find that you like it, and there is no known cure for this affliction. We can only treat the symptoms by applying more and more contests to the sufferer. Be warned, my friend. Good luck and 73 Bob N6WG - Original Message - From: Shaun Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charlotte Bob Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:12 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver now there's a thought, definitely have to study for my advanced if for no other reason than to get away from all them contesters. although it might be fun to jump in there and see just what this contesting business is all about. On 19/03/2008 10:05 PM, the old scribe known as Charlotte Bob Higgins was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: Since the FCC decided to throw away Morse code, courtesy has all but disappeared, and contests have almost totally taken over. There is little places to go and have a CW QSO anymore. Most of the CW ops nowadays seem to be contesters so you either join them or stay off the air. There seems to be no place to go anymore on HF. WARC bands? __ NOD32 2959 (20080319) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver
WARC bands are OK, but short paths that occur on 30 meters are very rare. It would have been nice if FCC had authorized CW dead on the carrier frequencies of the 60 meter channels! This when 80 and 40 is loaded with contesters on weekends. I still get the idea FCC wants to end Morse for good. The ARRL seems to be going along with this trend. 73, Sandy W5TVW - Original Message - From: Charlotte Bob Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Shaun Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:05 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver Since the FCC decided to throw away Morse code, courtesy has all but disappeared, and contests have almost totally taken over. There is little places to go and have a CW QSO anymore. Most of the CW ops nowadays seem to be contesters so you either join them or stay off the air. There seems to be no place to go anymore on HF. WARC bands? -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT]
Morse IS being used, whether the regulators like it or not. For a while ( may still be?) Morse was BANNED on the MARS frequencies. Morse is certainly popular for contest and QRP use, and probably still on the rise. How much Morse? All one has to do is listen on 160 meters during the ARRL or CQ 160 contests! Too bad there isn't more activity except at contest time. I'm hearing a lot of slow speed Morse QSO's now where the old timers used to congregate. Perhaps this sort of activity will increase. I still contend there should be some small sub-band where digital/RTTY and voice modes are forbidden and there is nothing but Morse even if only 10-20 khz. of the low end. 73 Sandy W5TVW - Original Message - From: David Ferrington, M0XDF [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charlotte Bob Higgins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Shaun Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT] Is this actually true? I'm not clear on what happened in the US with no longer requiring a Morse cert. and would like someone to set me straight (I really mean that, I'd like to understand the real story). My understanding is: 1) the requirement for a morse cert was removed from the license 2) this allows you to get a license and operate without morse 3) the FCC did not 'throw away Morse', just removed the requirement to have it In the UK, this same action in 2003 has resulted in more newcomers (since Morse is no longer an obstacle) and in fact, more people wishing to learn Morse (myself included) since on using HF, it becomes clear just how significant CW is to making contacts, especially DX. So, by no longer forcing people to learn Morse, we have encouraged more to do so. In my limited experience, courtesy not slowing slipping away, lack of it is in the minority. And mostly the usage of that term is used when describing large contests where band plans get ignored. I don't wish to get into the Contest verses DX type issues. There does seem to be a concern that SSB contests wipe out the CW parts of the band during the contest. I would have thought that applied far more here than in the US where my understanding is the band plan is mandator - in the UK is advisory (provided you stick within the spectrum allocation). Contests are on the rise yes, but I don't think that can be blamed on the removal of the Morse requirement - surly if anything, this indicates a greater usage of CW (assuming we are talking CWE contests). In fact, are contests on the increase or is it just poor DX conditions making it appear that way? On the question of where to go to use Morse, what about the freq. used by FIST members. Just because they are used by FISTS, does not prevent anyone from using them (no-one owns a freq.) and if you hear someone calling CQ FISTS, work them. FISTS members are happy to work anyone and are not exclusively FISTS - and if you find someone is, then they should not be a member of FISTS, IMHO. There freq. are found at http://www.fists.co.uk/index_files/FREQS.htm 73 de M0XDF / FISTS #12575, K3 #174, HexKey #375 -- One can pay back the loan of gold, but one dies forever in debt to those who are kind. -Malayan Proverb On 19 Mar 2008, at 11:05, Charlotte Bob Higgins wrote: Since the FCC decided to throw away Morse code, courtesy has all but disappeared, and contests have almost totally taken over. There is little places to go and have a CW QSO anymore. Most of the CW ops nowadays seem to be contesters so you either join them or stay off the air. There seems to be no place to go anymore on HF. WARC bands? -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1335 - Release Date: 3/19/2008 9:54 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT]
Although there isn't as much cw on during non-contest times as there was when I was licensed in '79, there are a number of ragchews going on during the day on 40m during the day and some dx at night/early morning here in the Midwest. I'd like for the people who think CW is dead to listen to the ARRL 160 contest, or any major contest for that matter. Even though the daily activity may be down, I think we will continue to have decent cw activity in our lifetimes anyway. I think someone mentioned it earlier, and I don't want it to be taken in the wrong context, but if the bands are jam packed on 40m, 30 meters is a great band. I think it's better to go to 30m for cw qso's then it is to get your blood pressure up because 40 meters is jam packed with signals. Also maybe the contest managers can try to keep major cw and rtty contests on different dates, although I'm sure this is getting harder and harder 73, Mike K9MI ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT]
There is way less casual CW operation than there was in '79, '89, and even '99. Except for contesting and DXing, CW is close to being dead. Foreign phones, RTTY data stations in the lower portions of the CW bands and the ARRL/FCC elimination of CW-testing will finish it off. If I thought there was any future in casual CW operation, I would have a K3 on order now. Dave N7AF K2 #4795 On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:50:03 -0400 Michael Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Although there isn't as much cw on during non-contest times as there was when I was licensed in '79, there are a number of ragchews going on during the day on 40m during the day and some dx at night/early morning here in the Midwest. I'd like for the people who think CW is dead to listen to the ARRL 160 contest, or any major contest for that matter. Even though the daily activity may be down, I think we will continue to have decent cw activity in our lifetimes anyway. I think someone mentioned it earlier, and I don't want it to be taken in the wrong context, but if the bands are jam packed on 40m, 30 meters is a great band. I think it's better to go to 30m for cw qso's then it is to get your blood pressure up because 40 meters is jam packed with signals. Also maybe the contest managers can try to keep major cw and rtty contests on different dates, although I'm sure this is getting harder and harder 73, Mike K9MI ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver [OT]
N7AF: There is way less casual CW operation than there was in '79, '89, and even '99. Except for contesting and DXing, CW is close to being dead. Foreign phones, RTTY data stations in the lower portions of the CW bands and the ARRL/FCC elimination of CW-testing will finish it off. If I thought there was any future in casual CW operation, I would have a K3 on order now. I disagree. I primarily like CW contests and low-band DX-ing, but I also like QRP backpacking. I've **never**found a problem having as many QSOs as I wanted by simply calling CQ or listening near the QRP frequencies, especially on 20/30/40, and that's with only 2-5 watts (depending on which rig I was using) to marginal antennas. As far as RTTY and data modes, there are very few using these modes on my favorite band 160. The mode of choice there is the original digital mode (CW)...because it simply works better in the QRN and QSB characteristic of Topband. If all you're interested in is casual CW, in my opinion a K3 might be overkill for that. You won't use the performance you're paying for, and a K2, K1, KX1 or almost any rig will be perfectly adequate. KD1JV's little ATS-3 (2W xcvr in an Altoids tin) is one of my personal favorites for ultra lightweight portable use. Unless propagation is totally closed, try a few CQs around 14060 or 7040 next time and I'll bet you'll find as many CW QSOs as you want! 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver
This is a subject that pops up from time to time. You do have a point. I usually end up going to 30 or 17 meters to avoid the contests. The best times that I have to operate are the weekends and it is irritating to jump on and find the band filled with call signs and 59 or 599 reports. I have nothing against contesting but, I do think there are too many of them. I saw a recent ARRL poll that indicated that only about 20% of the ham population contest, if I remember correctly. However, they sure seem to take up more than 20% of the bands and time, in my opinion. I also enjoy QRP but, it seems you can forget about the QRP calling frequencies during a contest or any frequency for that matter. Either they occupy those frequencies, which they are entitled to do, or they just step right on top of you because, they can't hear you. My K2 helps with that a little. It it weren't for the MOJO, I probably wouldn't be able to operate at all during those times. :-) On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:50:39 -0500 Sandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Japanese seemed to have gone ape on whistles and bells on the new radios! I enjoy some contests, but the contest thing has gotten way out of hand to my thinking. On weekends, what used to be normal ragchew get-togethers have gotten to be battle the contesters for a space just to talk! I have also seen a lot of talk about computer controlled automatic loggers that also answer calls and make your contacts for you with little intervention. What's the challenge there? I do enjoy some sprints on QRP, but there are too many contests nowadays for a fellow to find a spot on the band to shoot the bull like we did in the old days. Since the FCC decided to throw away Morse code, courtesy has all but disappeared, and contests have almost totally taken over. There is little places to go and have a CW QSO anymore. Most of the CW ops nowadays seem to be contesters so you either join them or stay off the air. There seems to be no place to go anymore on HF. I don't think I will be even thinking of buying a K3 or especially an IC-7700 unless I win the Lottery now. It's hard enough buying gasoline to attend hamfests now. 73, Sandy W5TVW - Original Message - From: Shaun Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver I'm sorry to sound like some kind of whining bitch, but, is it me, or is amateur radio fast becoming a pissing contest of sorts to see who has the flashiest rig at the cost of a new car. I for one refuse to spend that amount of money on a hobby I know I'll get alot of fun out of. I'm not completely sure about contests and what place they hold within the amateur community, but I'm sure there's a place and a reason for them. hell, I might even try my hand at a couple when I finally gain me ticket. you don't need the latest icom or kenwood or yaesu, which you'd have to take out a mortgage to own, half the fun as far as I'm concerned is working with what you have. and sometimes, that might be a pile of cow shit, some duct tape, fencing wire for a feeder and a couple of aluminum coke cans for a matching circuit, and an old valve radio that's been beaten to death and still manages to put out it's full power. if the above works, why change? me, I'm all for having a nice long chat with the fellas and working a little dx occasionally. I use to like to do that on the chocolate box but, there's too many fools there for that to be any fun anymore. sorry if I sound whiney but, yeah there you have it, my 2 cents worth. On 18/03/2008 9:47 PM, the old scribe known as Bill W4ZV was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: W7is wrote: If your interested in seeing the latest offering of a contest grade transceiver, take a look at this link. Reading their brochure is a real hoot!! During the next 10 days it will be making its official debut. Not news. IC-7700 was announced about the same time (i.e. Dayton last year) as the K3. You too can spend twice as much as a K3, with no Sub RX and get worse performance. I'm sure the contest gang will gobble these up...NOT. You could buy 2 fully K3s outfitted for SO2R for less than one IC-7700...but it sure is pretty! ;-) 73, Bill ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post
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I'm a casual CW operator and I like to rag chew. I agree that there is less activity than in past years. One indication for me is that I keep working the same stations which rarely happened when I was first licensed. I am also another one this is hesitant to order a K3 at this time. The K2 may be my last rig but, then I do have my income tax return burning a hole in my pocket...but, then again, ham radio isn't my only hobby or interest. ;-) Gary, N7HTS On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:20:20 -0700 Dave Lowenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is way less casual CW operation than there was in '79, '89, and even '99. Except for contesting and DXing, CW is close to being dead. Foreign phones, RTTY data stations in the lower portions of the CW bands and the ARRL/FCC elimination of CW-testing will finish it off. If I thought there was any future in casual CW operation, I would have a K3 on order now. Dave N7AF K2 #4795 On Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:50:03 -0400 Michael Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Although there isn't as much cw on during non-contest times as there was when I was licensed in '79, there are a number of ragchews going on during the day on 40m during the day and some dx at night/early morning here in the Midwest. I'd like for the people who think CW is dead to listen to the ARRL 160 contest, or any major contest for that matter. Even though the daily activity may be down, I think we will continue to have decent cw activity in our lifetimes anyway. I think someone mentioned it earlier, and I don't want it to be taken in the wrong context, but if the bands are jam packed on 40m, 30 meters is a great band. I think it's better to go to 30m for cw qso's then it is to get your blood pressure up because 40 meters is jam packed with signals. Also maybe the contest managers can try to keep major cw and rtty contests on different dates, although I'm sure this is getting harder and harder 73, Mike K9MI ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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If you are not participating in a contest, it is often a good time to get on the WARC bands. 73, Bob N7XY On Mar 19, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Gary D Krause wrote: This is a subject that pops up from time to time. You do have a point. I usually end up going to 30 or 17 meters to avoid the contests. The best times that I have to operate are the weekends and it is irritating to jump on and find the band filled with call signs and 59 or 599 reports. I have nothing against contesting but, I do think there are too many of them. I saw a recent ARRL poll that indicated that only about 20% of the ham population contest, if I remember correctly. However, they sure seem to take up more than 20% of the bands and time, in my opinion. I also enjoy QRP but, it seems you can forget about the QRP calling frequencies during a contest or any frequency for that matter. Either they occupy those frequencies, which they are entitled to do, or they just step right on top of you because, they can't hear you. My K2 helps with that a little. It it weren't for the MOJO, I probably wouldn't be able to operate at all during those times. :-) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Yea but probably 70% of hams are either dead and not logged yet or inactive. Then you've got 20% that does casual operation and contesting and then you've got the 10% in the middle that complain about the contests. Yet still the majority of the people on the air I fully well believe participate a bit in the contests. Heck I've spent HOURS calling CQ at the calling frequencies at 7 watts and had no call backs. At times its just nice when there is a contest and I can call someone and get a quick test of things... On Wed, 2008-03-19 at 13:16 -0600, Gary D Krause wrote: I saw a recent ARRL poll that indicated that only about 20% of the ham population contest, if I remember correctly. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver
If your interested in seeing the latest offering of a contest grade transceiver, take a look at this link. Reading their brochure is a real hoot!! During the next 10 days it will be making its official debut. http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/Default.aspx?Category=180 **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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A very nice front panel with a bandscope for watching those 6m / 10m openings, it is shipping in Europe already. + Extensive CAT support. + The most visually appealing new radio I have seen for quite a while. - Very slow website at the moment :-( Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your interested in seeing the latest offering of a contest grade transceiver, take a look at this link. Reading their brochure is a real hoot!! During the next 10 days it will be making its official debut. http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/Default.aspx?Category=180 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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About $6k, GBP 3,400 + tax. + Scans 6m - No IF Shift / Width adjust knobs (does have LO / HI though). Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Shaun Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bet it's got a nice price tag too. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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I bet it's got a nice price tag too. On 18/03/2008 7:12 PM, the old scribe known as Simon Brown (HB9DRV) was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: A very nice front panel with a bandscope for watching those 6m / 10m openings, it is shipping in Europe already. + Extensive CAT support. + The most visually appealing new radio I have seen for quite a while. - Very slow website at the moment :-( Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If your interested in seeing the latest offering of a contest grade transceiver, take a look at this link. Reading their brochure is a real hoot!! During the next 10 days it will be making its official debut. http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/Default.aspx?Category=180 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com __ NOD32 2954 (20080318) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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W7is wrote: If your interested in seeing the latest offering of a contest grade transceiver, take a look at this link. Reading their brochure is a real hoot!! During the next 10 days it will be making its official debut. Not news. IC-7700 was announced about the same time (i.e. Dayton last year) as the K3. You too can spend twice as much as a K3, with no Sub RX and get worse performance. I'm sure the contest gang will gobble these up...NOT. You could buy 2 fully K3s outfitted for SO2R for less than one IC-7700...but it sure is pretty! ;-) 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-Contest-Transceiver-tp16115409p16118338.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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I'm sorry to sound like some kind of whining bitch, but, is it me, or is amateur radio fast becoming a pissing contest of sorts to see who has the flashiest rig at the cost of a new car. I for one refuse to spend that amount of money on a hobby I know I'll get alot of fun out of. I'm not completely sure about contests and what place they hold within the amateur community, but I'm sure there's a place and a reason for them. hell, I might even try my hand at a couple when I finally gain me ticket. you don't need the latest icom or kenwood or yaesu, which you'd have to take out a mortgage to own, half the fun as far as I'm concerned is working with what you have. and sometimes, that might be a pile of cow shit, some duct tape, fencing wire for a feeder and a couple of aluminum coke cans for a matching circuit, and an old valve radio that's been beaten to death and still manages to put out it's full power. if the above works, why change? me, I'm all for having a nice long chat with the fellas and working a little dx occasionally. I use to like to do that on the chocolate box but, there's too many fools there for that to be any fun anymore. sorry if I sound whiney but, yeah there you have it, my 2 cents worth. On 18/03/2008 9:47 PM, the old scribe known as Bill W4ZV was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: W7is wrote: If your interested in seeing the latest offering of a contest grade transceiver, take a look at this link. Reading their brochure is a real hoot!! During the next 10 days it will be making its official debut. Not news. IC-7700 was announced about the same time (i.e. Dayton last year) as the K3. You too can spend twice as much as a K3, with no Sub RX and get worse performance. I'm sure the contest gang will gobble these up...NOT. You could buy 2 fully K3s outfitted for SO2R for less than one IC-7700...but it sure is pretty! ;-) 73, Bill ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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don't get me wrong, the newer radios have their place. case in point, the kenwood ts480 and the ts2000 with a vs3 board, a blind ham could use the things with little fuss. I will eventually be a blind ham also but I'm opting for an older radio because I'm on a strict budget. I'm currently looking at the yaesu ft201 and a 101b. I use to own a 101b and it wasn't a bad radio, but between that and the old 520 I use to own, let's just say I still miss that 520. I'm going to have a look at that 201 this weekend so hopefully I'll be ready for when I get licensed. I'm opting for foundation license for now because it's quick and easy to obtain and I'm pants when it comes to alot of electronics and antenna theory. On 18/03/2008 10:13 PM, the old scribe known as G4ILO was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: Shaun Oliver wrote: I'm sorry to sound like some kind of whining bitch, but, is it me, or is amateur radio fast becoming a pissing contest of sorts to see who has the flashiest rig at the cost of a new car. I for one refuse to spend that amount of money on a hobby I know I'll get alot of fun out of. I'm not completely sure about contests and what place they hold within the amateur community, but I'm sure there's a place and a reason for them. hell, I might even try my hand at a couple when I finally gain me ticket. you don't need the latest icom or kenwood or yaesu, which you'd have to take out a mortgage to own, half the fun as far as I'm concerned is working with what you have. and sometimes, that might be a pile of cow shit, some duct tape, fencing wire for a feeder and a couple of aluminum coke cans for a matching circuit, and an old valve radio that's been beaten to death and still manages to put out it's full power. if the above works, why change? me, I'm all for having a nice long chat with the fellas and working a little dx occasionally. I use to like to do that on the chocolate box but, there's too many fools there for that to be any fun anymore. sorry if I sound whiney but, yeah there you have it, my 2 cents worth. I see where you're coming from, Shaun, and I for one totally agree with you. I think the simpler the equipment the greater the feeling of achievement. Of course, a K2 or K3 is not exactly simple. I have an MFJ Cub transceiver that I get out from time to time and I really get a kick out of the QSOs I make with it. I'd probably use it more if I wasn't embarrassed by the fact that it drifts rather a lot (and I lack the time, patience, knowledge and parts bin to try to do anything about it.) - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Hmm, if you adjust for inflation this new 7700 is a bit cheaper in real terms in Europe than the Kenwood TS940SAT was at launch time. the 7700 is a much better featured radio than the 940. 73 Brendan EI6IZ On Tue, 2008-03-18 at 21:58 +1100, Shaun Oliver wrote: I'm sorry to sound like some kind of whining bitch, but, is it me, or is amateur radio fast becoming a pissing contest of sorts to see who has the flashiest rig at the cost of a new car. I for one refuse to spend that amount of money on a hobby I know I'll get alot of fun out of. I'm not completely sure about contests and what place they hold within the amateur community, but I'm sure there's a place and a reason for them. hell, I might even try my hand at a couple when I finally gain me ticket. you don't need the latest icom or kenwood or yaesu, which you'd have to take out a mortgage to own, half the fun as far as I'm concerned is working with what you have. and sometimes, that might be a pile of cow shit, some duct tape, fencing wire for a feeder and a couple of aluminum coke cans for a matching circuit, and an old valve radio that's been beaten to death and still manages to put out it's full power. if the above works, why change? me, I'm all for having a nice long chat with the fellas and working a little dx occasionally. I use to like to do that on the chocolate box but, there's too many fools there for that to be any fun anymore. sorry if I sound whiney but, yeah there you have it, my 2 cents worth. On 18/03/2008 9:47 PM, the old scribe known as Bill W4ZV was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: W7is wrote: If your interested in seeing the latest offering of a contest grade transceiver, take a look at this link. Reading their brochure is a real hoot!! During the next 10 days it will be making its official debut. Not news. IC-7700 was announced about the same time (i.e. Dayton last year) as the K3. You too can spend twice as much as a K3, with no Sub RX and get worse performance. I'm sure the contest gang will gobble these up...NOT. You could buy 2 fully K3s outfitted for SO2R for less than one IC-7700...but it sure is pretty! ;-) 73, Bill ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- Don‘t complain. Nobody will understand. Or care. And certainly don‘t try to fix the situation yourself. It‘s dangerous. Leave it to a highly untrained, unqualified, expendable professional. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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I wonder if that is the rig that the Clipperton group is using right now? I can just see the ads come Dayton time 73, Henry - K4TMC ** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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With a 7 inch (800 X 480) TFT color display, it's a shame you can't watch YouTube. Maybe on the II or III version. Tom, AK2B -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-Contest-Transceiver-tp16115409p16121841.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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I saw one at Dayton last year at the Contest University. It is as big as a suitcase. The guy from Icom characterized it as a 7800 without the second receiver. Yawn Snore I'll be keeping my K3, thank you. Buck k4ia K3 #101 **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Nice looking rig, Howeverit still only has 1 receiver. Elecraft stated they will eventually have a pan adaptor/bandscope option for the K3. If you've read the recent test results, the K3 meets and sometimes, beats the 7700's big brother. And to add insult to injury, I dare venture that one could purchase 2 fully loaded K3's for the sticker shock price of the new kid on the block. Prove me wrong W7is wrote: If your interested in seeing the latest offering of a contest grade transceiver, take a look at this link. Reading their brochure is a real hoot!! During the next 10 days it will be making its official debut. http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/Default.aspx?Category=180 **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com - Mike Koetje N8XPQ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-Contest-Transceiver-tp16115409p16121962.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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You guys have it all wrong. The IC-7700 is CLEARLY the better choice. No question. K3 is $2000 - $3000. I can *almost* afford that. It's a great rig so I'm tempted. Ah, what the hey, I'll just order one. Tension with XYL ensues, finances are stressed, life becomes a bit more difficult. IC-7700 is $937,295 (or some out-of-reach number). It's not nearly as good of a deal. I'm not tempted. No order is placed, no tension with the XYL, no financial stress on the family. In fact, not having one means I don't even need an antenna or power supply or key. That rig would sure save me a lot of heart ache! Curses Elecraft Curses K3 Curses Visa / MasterCard / Discover Woe is me. - Keith N1AS - - K2 5411.ssb.100 - - K3 Wave 3 - ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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I agree with you also, Julian. I've always thought keeping it simple is the key to many things. I still have a couple of older rigs that I love to operate along with my K2. They don't have the bells and whistles that the modern rigs have. I've noticed that along with the computer age, the new rigs seem to have their own set of problems. You can't tell if a person is using a high priced rig or a simple homebrew rig when it comes to CW. SSB may be another story but, for the most part the focus is primarily on the receiver. Even then, the most important part of the station is still the antenna, in my opinion. Gary, N7HTS I see where you're coming from, Shaun, and I for one totally agree with you. I think the simpler the equipment the greater the feeling of achievement. Of course, a K2 or K3 is not exactly simple. I have an MFJ Cub transceiver that I get out from time to time and I really get a kick out of the QSOs I make with it. I'd probably use it more if I wasn't embarrassed by the fact that it drifts rather a lot (and I lack the time, patience, knowledge and parts bin to try to do anything about it.) - Julian, G4ILO K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392 G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-Contest-Transceiver-tp16115409p16118759.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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I believe they were using Pro III's. Dave W7AQK - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:22 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver I wonder if that is the rig that the Clipperton group is using right now? I can just see the ads come Dayton time 73, Henry - K4TMC ** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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...and no Auto CW function big MINUS, nothing for me, sorry ;-) 73! L. -dst- Simon Brown (HB9DRV) napsal(a): About $6k, GBP 3,400 + tax. + Scans 6m - No IF Shift / Width adjust knobs (does have LO / HI though). Simon Brown, HB9DRV -- From: Shaun Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] I bet it's got a nice price tag too. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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Howeverit still only has 1 receiver. Not only does it have only one receiver - it does not even have dual watch from the ProIII. Sorry, Icom - the 7700 is an overpriced dog. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike N8XPQ Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 10:20 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver Nice looking rig, Howeverit still only has 1 receiver. Elecraft stated they will eventually have a pan adaptor/bandscope option for the K3. If you've read the recent test results, the K3 meets and sometimes, beats the 7700's big brother. And to add insult to injury, I dare venture that one could purchase 2 fully loaded K3's for the sticker shock price of the new kid on the block. Prove me wrong W7is wrote: If your interested in seeing the latest offering of a contest grade transceiver, take a look at this link. Reading their brochure is a real hoot!! During the next 10 days it will be making its official debut. http://www.icomamerica.com/en/downloads/Default.aspx?Category=180 **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com - Mike Koetje N8XPQ -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/New-Contest-Transceiver-tp16115409p16121962.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver
I wonder if that is the rig that the Clipperton group is using right now? No, they were using the ProIII. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 8:22 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver I wonder if that is the rig that the Clipperton group is using right now? I can just see the ads come Dayton time 73, Henry - K4TMC ** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf000301) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver
After reading the owners manual on this new 7700 rig, the only thing I found unusual is the Auto Tune feature on both CW and AM. Beside being large heavy with no sub receiver -- another downer is the 4 large fans and the potential to be very noisy like some of their other gear. HRO is offering it on pre release special for March. If you click on the rigs picture, it will provide you the details. Its not too likely they will peddle very many of them unless someone becomes awe struck by the Spectrum Scope. Lots of wiz bang --- if you get caught up in it :-) **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom000301) ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
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The Japanese seemed to have gone ape on whistles and bells on the new radios! I enjoy some contests, but the contest thing has gotten way out of hand to my thinking. On weekends, what used to be normal ragchew get-togethers have gotten to be battle the contesters for a space just to talk! I have also seen a lot of talk about computer controlled automatic loggers that also answer calls and make your contacts for you with little intervention. What's the challenge there? I do enjoy some sprints on QRP, but there are too many contests nowadays for a fellow to find a spot on the band to shoot the bull like we did in the old days. Since the FCC decided to throw away Morse code, courtesy has all but disappeared, and contests have almost totally taken over. There is little places to go and have a CW QSO anymore. Most of the CW ops nowadays seem to be contesters so you either join them or stay off the air. There seems to be no place to go anymore on HF. I don't think I will be even thinking of buying a K3 or especially an IC-7700 unless I win the Lottery now. It's hard enough buying gasoline to attend hamfests now. 73, Sandy W5TVW - Original Message - From: Shaun Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Contest Transceiver I'm sorry to sound like some kind of whining bitch, but, is it me, or is amateur radio fast becoming a pissing contest of sorts to see who has the flashiest rig at the cost of a new car. I for one refuse to spend that amount of money on a hobby I know I'll get alot of fun out of. I'm not completely sure about contests and what place they hold within the amateur community, but I'm sure there's a place and a reason for them. hell, I might even try my hand at a couple when I finally gain me ticket. you don't need the latest icom or kenwood or yaesu, which you'd have to take out a mortgage to own, half the fun as far as I'm concerned is working with what you have. and sometimes, that might be a pile of cow shit, some duct tape, fencing wire for a feeder and a couple of aluminum coke cans for a matching circuit, and an old valve radio that's been beaten to death and still manages to put out it's full power. if the above works, why change? me, I'm all for having a nice long chat with the fellas and working a little dx occasionally. I use to like to do that on the chocolate box but, there's too many fools there for that to be any fun anymore. sorry if I sound whiney but, yeah there you have it, my 2 cents worth. On 18/03/2008 9:47 PM, the old scribe known as Bill W4ZV was able to impart this pearl of wisdom: W7is wrote: If your interested in seeing the latest offering of a contest grade transceiver, take a look at this link. Reading their brochure is a real hoot!! During the next 10 days it will be making its official debut. Not news. IC-7700 was announced about the same time (i.e. Dayton last year) as the K3. You too can spend twice as much as a K3, with no Sub RX and get worse performance. I'm sure the contest gang will gobble these up...NOT. You could buy 2 fully K3s outfitted for SO2R for less than one IC-7700...but it sure is pretty! ;-) 73, Bill ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.7/1333 - Release Date: 3/18/2008 8:10 AM ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
