Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
I had the priviledge of visiting ON4UN, December of 2009, and he does have 2 K3's. NJ3K -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3-tp582259p5953792.html Sent from the [K3] mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Craig-89 wrote: I happened to tune across John ON4UN on 40 meters working a JA this morning(his evening). John was soliciting opinions from the JA on the audio quality of a K3.(he sounded great) It will be interesting to hear what John thinks of his? K3. Can anyone confirm that John owns one, or maybe was he just testing someone else's K3? An evaluation from this highly respected author should make for some interesting reading. Sorry for the reference to Craig's old 2008 post above but I searched the archives to see if anyone had mentioned ON4UN's new 5th edition of his Low-Band DXing. I just received my copy a few days ago and the K3 was most definitely the star of Chapter 3 - Receiving and Transmitting Equipment. John's concluding comment at the end of the chapter: You can buy the best transceiver there is on the market for a very reasonable price, the Elecraft K3. And no, I have no connection with Elecraft, and paid the full price for my K3s. I would be ashamed asking for a discount for such a wonderful piece of equipment at such a very reasonable price. For those who may not have seen it, here's another nice endorsement from Tom W8JI regarding diversity and the K3: I implement stereo diversity by phase locking two separate receivers (heavily modified R4C's) together so audio outputs are exactly locked in phase. The receivers are virtually identical, even to the point where I hand select crystal filters for equal group delay change over the filter passband. Every oscillator in the receiver system is common to both receivers. I'm aware of only one commercially available amateur receiver that does true stereo diversity, the Elecraft K3. I currently use an Elecraft K3 since it is the only system that phase-locks two identical receivers, it interfaces a good transmitter with the receivers, and is a modern stable design with accurate frequency readout. SNIP There are articles describing how to electronically lock the receiver tuning of the FT1000D (and other receivers) so the sub-receiver tracks the main receiver. This does somewhat work in the FT1000, because the oscillators share a common time base. The main problem with the FT1000 is the second receiver isn't a very good receiver, the filters do not match, the AGC does not match, and phase shift through the receivers (especially as the signal moves off the filter center) is not at all similar. I had similar disappointment with the Orion system. To the best of my knowledge the K3 Elecraft is the only receiver that has absolutely identical receivers that share one common reference system. That is what I have switched to now. I thought some of you might be interested to see what two of the best low band DXers thought about their K3s. 73 HNY, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3-tp582259p5888588.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Oops, I meant to include the link to W8JI's comments below: http://www.w8ji.com/polarization_and_diversity.htm 73, Bill Craig-89 wrote: I happened to tune across John ON4UN on 40 meters working a JA this morning(his evening). John was soliciting opinions from the JA on the audio quality of a K3.(he sounded great) It will be interesting to hear what John thinks of his? K3. Can anyone confirm that John owns one, or maybe was he just testing someone else's K3? An evaluation from this highly respected author should make for some interesting reading. Sorry for the reference to Craig's old 2008 post above but I searched the archives to see if anyone had mentioned ON4UN's new 5th edition of his Low-Band DXing. I just received my copy a few days ago and the K3 was most definitely the star of Chapter 3 - Receiving and Transmitting Equipment. John's concluding comment at the end of the chapter: You can buy the best transceiver there is on the market for a very reasonable price, the Elecraft K3. And no, I have no connection with Elecraft, and paid the full price for my K3s. I would be ashamed asking for a discount for such a wonderful piece of equipment at such a very reasonable price. For those who may not have seen it, here's another nice endorsement from Tom W8JI regarding diversity and the K3: I implement stereo diversity by phase locking two separate receivers (heavily modified R4C's) together so audio outputs are exactly locked in phase. The receivers are virtually identical, even to the point where I hand select crystal filters for equal group delay change over the filter passband. Every oscillator in the receiver system is common to both receivers. I'm aware of only one commercially available amateur receiver that does true stereo diversity, the Elecraft K3. I currently use an Elecraft K3 since it is the only system that phase-locks two identical receivers, it interfaces a good transmitter with the receivers, and is a modern stable design with accurate frequency readout. SNIP There are articles describing how to electronically lock the receiver tuning of the FT1000D (and other receivers) so the sub-receiver tracks the main receiver. This does somewhat work in the FT1000, because the oscillators share a common time base. The main problem with the FT1000 is the second receiver isn't a very good receiver, the filters do not match, the AGC does not match, and phase shift through the receivers (especially as the signal moves off the filter center) is not at all similar. I had similar disappointment with the Orion system. To the best of my knowledge the K3 Elecraft is the only receiver that has absolutely identical receivers that share one common reference system. That is what I have switched to now. I thought some of you might be interested to see what two of the best low band DXers thought about their K3s. 73 HNY, Bill W4ZV -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3-tp582259p5888604.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Yep, it's been on Youtube for the better part of 2 years now ... Mr. Low-band DX'ing made the big step from Ten-tec Orion's to K3's some time ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT_NwIsz54k 73' Brian OZ2BRN Den 04-01-2011 14:17, Bill W4ZV skrev: Oops, I meant to include the link to W8JI's comments below: http://www.w8ji.com/polarization_and_diversity.htm 73, Bill Craig-89 wrote: I happened to tune across John ON4UN on 40 meters working a JA this morning(his evening). John was soliciting opinions from the JA on the audio quality of a K3.(he sounded great) It will be interesting to hear what John thinks of his? K3. Can anyone confirm that John owns one, or maybe was he just testing someone else's K3? An evaluation from this highly respected author should make for some interesting reading. Sorry for the reference to Craig's old 2008 post above but I searched the archives to see if anyone had mentioned ON4UN's new 5th edition of his Low-Band DXing. I just received my copy a few days ago and the K3 was most definitely the star of Chapter 3 - Receiving and Transmitting Equipment. John's concluding comment at the end of the chapter: You can buy the best transceiver there is on the market for a very reasonable price, the Elecraft K3. And no, I have no connection with Elecraft, and paid the full price for my K3s. I would be ashamed asking for a discount for such a wonderful piece of equipment at such a very reasonable price. For those who may not have seen it, here's another nice endorsement from Tom W8JI regarding diversity and the K3: I implement stereo diversity by phase locking two separate receivers (heavily modified R4C's) together so audio outputs are exactly locked in phase. The receivers are virtually identical, even to the point where I hand select crystal filters for equal group delay change over the filter passband. Every oscillator in the receiver system is common to both receivers. I'm aware of only one commercially available amateur receiver that does true stereo diversity, the Elecraft K3. I currently use an Elecraft K3 since it is the only system that phase-locks two identical receivers, it interfaces a good transmitter with the receivers, and is a modern stable design with accurate frequency readout. SNIP There are articles describing how to electronically lock the receiver tuning of the FT1000D (and other receivers) so the sub-receiver tracks the main receiver. This does somewhat work in the FT1000, because the oscillators share a common time base. The main problem with the FT1000 is the second receiver isn't a very good receiver, the filters do not match, the AGC does not match, and phase shift through the receivers (especially as the signal moves off the filter center) is not at all similar. I had similar disappointment with the Orion system. To the best of my knowledge the K3 Elecraft is the only receiver that has absolutely identical receivers that share one common reference system. That is what I have switched to now. I thought some of you might be interested to see what two of the best low band DXers thought about their K3s. 73 HNY, Bill W4ZV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
So what if ON4UN has a K3? So what if ON4UN has a FT5000DX? :-) 73 and a happy new year all. Arie PA3A __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Arie, You are right and you may be sure he will probably change his rig some day and then some people will go into a funk. Previously ON4UN used two Orion II radios and there was much bragging on the TenTec site. He certainly changed to the K3 but what next. Everyone makes their own choices. The K3 is a good radio and will be one whether Ham X uses one or not. What may be more significant is the number of K3s used for contest work. If you are a DX hound or digital man then the criteria changes. Happy New Year to all and especially to my fellow K3 users who have even more reason to be happy. 73 Doug EI2CN -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Arie Kleingeld PA3A Sent: 04 January 2011 19:31 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? So what if ON4UN has a K3? So what if ON4UN has a FT5000DX? :-) 73 and a happy new year all. Arie PA3A __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2 wrote: So what if ON4UN has a K3? Since ON4UN has won 70% First Places and 20% Second Places (EU or World) in 100 international contests over a 20 year period, I place a lot of credibility in his opinions...not to mention his world high DXCC standing on 80m and EU high on 160m. Ditto for for W8JI's contest results and opinions. I pay attention to what both of these guys say because they DO know what they are doing...as demonstrated by results. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3-tp582259p5890636.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Oh Bill -- there you go again! Selling yourself short. I feel quite sure I am not alone in saying that the three ham operators who are always worth listening to are W8JI, ON4UN, AND W4ZV! The collective knowledge of you three is just overwhelming. And thanks for sharing! 73, Tom - W4BQF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill W4ZV Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:38 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2 wrote: So what if ON4UN has a K3? Since ON4UN has won 70% First Places and 20% Second Places (EU or World) in 100 international contests over a 20 year period, I place a lot of credibility in his opinions...not to mention his world high DXCC standing on 80m and EU high on 160m. Ditto for for W8JI's contest results and opinions. I pay attention to what both of these guys say because they DO know what they are doing...as demonstrated by results. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3-tp582259p5890636.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Absolutely True. 73's Gary On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Tommy Alderman alderm...@windstream.net wrote: Oh Bill -- there you go again! Selling yourself short. I feel quite sure I am not alone in saying that the three ham operators who are always worth listening to are W8JI, ON4UN, AND W4ZV! The collective knowledge of you three is just overwhelming. And thanks for sharing! 73, Tom - W4BQF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill W4ZV Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:38 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? Arie Kleingeld PA3A-2 wrote: So what if ON4UN has a K3? Since ON4UN has won 70% First Places and 20% Second Places (EU or World) in 100 international contests over a 20 year period, I place a lot of credibility in his opinions...not to mention his world high DXCC standing on 80m and EU high on 160m. Ditto for for W8JI's contest results and opinions. I pay attention to what both of these guys say because they DO know what they are doing...as demonstrated by results. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3-tp582259p5890636.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html -- Gary VK4FD - Motorhome Mobile http://www.qsl.net/vk4fd/ K3 #679, P3 #546 For everything else there's Mastercard!!! __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
RE: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
This change has already been made in 2.20 where if the PTT is activated during power up the rig does not transmit until PTT is sent low and then high again. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dick Roth KA1OZ Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:51 PM To: Gary Bartlett VE1RGB; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? Gary Bartlett VE1RGB wrote: I have been noting with great interest the comments about which way to rotate the WIDTH control to narrow the filters. Logic may tell you that clockwise should be wider, but some other instinctive force greater than that always wants me to turn it clockwise to go narrow. Everyone up here who uses my K3 says the same thing. At first I thought this was maybe just a Canuck thing and I was too embarrassed to speak about it. Then I wondered if it was my advancing age, and I didn't want to talk about that either. Today, however, I am comforted to know that I/we are not alone. Now if Wayne would only reprogram the rig so that VOX would default to OFF on shut-down, I wouldn't have to concern myself about trying to remember to turn VOX off myself so that the rig does not actually transmit during the booting of the attached computer and again when the logging program starts on next turn-on of the rig. 73, Gary, VE1RGB, K3 #095 [snip] I second the thought re the default VOX state upon turn on. I've fallen into this same trap (and then crawled under my desk upon realizing what might have gone over the air). If it wouldn't take too much re-coding, I think such a change would be worthwhile. -- 73, Dick ka1oz Middleborough, MA K3/100(Kit) SN 859 Titan-DX ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... Same here. That's the only knob that I consistently turn the wrong way. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
I have been noting with great interest the comments about which way to rotate the WIDTH control to narrow the filters. Logic may tell you that clockwise should be wider, but some other instinctive force greater than that always wants me to turn it clockwise to go narrow. Everyone up here who uses my K3 says the same thing. At first I thought this was maybe just a Canuck thing and I was too embarrassed to speak about it. Then I wondered if it was my advancing age, and I didn't want to talk about that either. Today, however, I am comforted to know that I/we are not alone. Now if Wayne would only reprogram the rig so that VOX would default to OFF on shut-down, I wouldn't have to concern myself about trying to remember to turn VOX off myself so that the rig does not actually transmit during the booting of the attached computer and again when the logging program starts on next turn-on of the rig. 73, Gary, VE1RGB, K3 #095 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... Same here. That's the only knob that I consistently turn the wrong way. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
At 10:30 AM 07/28/08, Gary Bartlett VE1RGB wrote: At first I thought this was maybe just a Canuck thing and I was too embarrassed to speak about it. Then I wondered if it was my advancing age, and I didn't want to talk about that either. Today, however, I am comforted to know that I/we are not alone. I was not really paying attention to this thread until I watched a documentary of some hillbilly musicans in the Ozarks...and realized that some of them were holding stringed instruments the wrong way. Much like the debates over which end of an egg to crack, the pictures reminded me that there are numerous paths in front of us. One old man in the film, between target practice shots into a cuspidor, commented that some fella from down in one of the cities told him he was holding the guitar the wrong way, and that he told the outsider If you think it's that bad, you ought not be a listen'n' I wonder if folks south of the equator, where the toilet whirlpool is backwards to north of the line find the width control counter-intuitive. 73, Thom k3hrn No confusion here, privies don't flush ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Are you running the latest firmware? I found that in the 2.20 that I'm running Wayne has added a bit of code that prevents the rig from TXing immediately upon power up. You get an ERR PTT upon power up. Then when you remove the PTT source you get an ERR KEY for a short bit then things go back to normal. On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 11:30 -0300, Gary Bartlett VE1RGB wrote: I have been noting with great interest the comments about which way to rotate the WIDTH control to narrow the filters. Logic may tell you that clockwise should be wider, but some other instinctive force greater than that always wants me to turn it clockwise to go narrow. Everyone up here who uses my K3 says the same thing. At first I thought this was maybe just a Canuck thing and I was too embarrassed to speak about it. Then I wondered if it was my advancing age, and I didn't want to talk about that either. Today, however, I am comforted to know that I/we are not alone. Now if Wayne would only reprogram the rig so that VOX would default to OFF on shut-down, I wouldn't have to concern myself about trying to remember to turn VOX off myself so that the rig does not actually transmit during the booting of the attached computer and again when the logging program starts on next turn-on of the rig. 73, Gary, VE1RGB, K3 #095 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... Same here. That's the only knob that I consistently turn the wrong way. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
A strange heading for a debate about which way to turn a knob HI! For reasons I don't understand, it's my instinct to turn the width knob clockwise to narrow the filter. Perhaps as I want more narrowing my instinct tells me that clockwise = more, but then that argument collapses when I want more width! Every time I go in the wrong direction results in a chuckle and the mistake is corrected. I don't wish for a change in the knob's function because, given time and practice, my instinct should learn to go in the other direction, and that will be fine by me. Indeed, I'm content to learn how to with this beautiful radio; I had to learn how to with every previous rig I've owned and so it shall be with the K3. 73 all. Dave G3TJP K2/100 #5551 K3/100 #1122 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... Same here. That's the only knob that I consistently turn the wrong way. Agreed. I think it has to do witht he fact that the Filter display moves to the right as it gets narrower and the WIDTH knob moves (turns) to the right as it gets narrower. That was the main problem that operators had on my K3 at Field Day. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Gary Bartlett VE1RGB wrote: I have been noting with great interest the comments about which way to rotate the WIDTH control to narrow the filters. Logic may tell you that clockwise should be wider, but some other instinctive force greater than that always wants me to turn it clockwise to go narrow. Everyone up here who uses my K3 says the same thing. I remember when radios had Selectivity controls, and you turned them to the right which increased selectivity (i.e., decreased bandwidth). The K3 has a control which is labeled Width and so it's reasonable to turn it to the right to increase (band)width. But the point I want to make is that if this is a change for you, you will get used to it. It is not something that will always be a problem. There is a finite amount of work that Wayne and Lyle can do in a finite time. I would much rather have them spend their time on issues that will always be problems (until they are fixed). For example, a number of people have complained that they want to adjust receiver controls while transmitting. This is something that will always be a problem for these people; it won't go away until it's fixed. And that's the kind of thing I'd prefer to see them work on. -- 73, Vic, K2VCO Fresno CA http://www.qsl.net/k2vco ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
- Original Message - From: Vic K2VCO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gary Bartlett VE1RGB [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? (Snip) But the point I want to make is that if this is a change for you, you will get used to it. It is not something that will always be a problem. There is a finite amount of work that Wayne and Lyle can do in a finite time. I would much rather have them spend their time on issues that will always be problems (until they are fixed) (snip). Hi, Vic: Just to be clear, my observation was neither a complaint nor a request for a change. I've already grown used to the way the radio works in respect to adjusting filter width. I was more interested in speculating (out loud) as to why many of us are so instintively inclined to want to turn the control in a direction that, on this radio, is the wrong way. What in our individual backgrounds has conditioned some of our brains to want us to take a knob and turn it in the up/louder/bigger direction expecting a small/narrower result? Now back to watching the Simpsons. Gary, VE1RGB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Beautifully put Dave. I agree! 73, Deni F5VJC DaveL G3TJP wrote: I don't wish for a change in the knob's function because, given time and practice, my instinct should learn to go in the other direction, and that will be fine by me. Indeed, I'm content to learn how to with this beautiful radio; I had to learn how to with every previous rig I've owned and so it shall be with the K3. 73 all. Dave G3TJP K2/100 #5551 K3/100 #1122 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp586961p587273.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Gary Bartlett VE1RGB wrote: I have been noting with great interest the comments about which way to rotate the WIDTH control to narrow the filters. Logic may tell you that clockwise should be wider, but some other instinctive force greater than that always wants me to turn it clockwise to go narrow. Everyone up here who uses my K3 says the same thing. At first I thought this was maybe just a Canuck thing and I was too embarrassed to speak about it. Then I wondered if it was my advancing age, and I didn't want to talk about that either. Today, however, I am comforted to know that I/we are not alone. Now if Wayne would only reprogram the rig so that VOX would default to OFF on shut-down, I wouldn't have to concern myself about trying to remember to turn VOX off myself so that the rig does not actually transmit during the booting of the attached computer and again when the logging program starts on next turn-on of the rig. 73, Gary, VE1RGB, K3 #095 [snip] I second the thought re the default VOX state upon turn on. I've fallen into this same trap (and then crawled under my desk upon realizing what might have gone over the air). If it wouldn't take too much re-coding, I think such a change would be worthwhile. -- 73, Dick ka1oz Middleborough, MA K3/100(Kit) SN 859 Titan-DX ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:45:37 -0700, Brett Howard wrote: The only reason I mention the labels is because it seems lately if you ask someone to press two buttons to get something done or to actually learn/remember something they look at you like you stole their favorite blanket. I love the whole press for one option and hold for another to get rid of having to press a F key and even more love the way that Elecraft laid out the panel so that often a press activates/inactivates a feature and a hold configures it. Can't get much simpler/cleaner than that. The panel layout works for me too. Anyone who has used it for awhile will realize they know where many of the functions are without needing to read the labels as to what is a tap and what is a push, etc. The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... 73, Drew AF2Z ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
The only one I had trouble with was the WIDTH control. For some reason I kept expecting the filter b/w to become narrower as I turned it clockwise... This sort of design choice is always interesting -- to figure out what the greater number of users are going think is intuitive. In your case, you are probably responding to an instinct derived from years of using radios where turning a control up is what you do to make the reception better. So better = clockwise. Not technically sensible when thinking in terms of bandwidth, but understandable. ;-) Bill W5WVO ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Don Wilhelm wrote: I wonder how ON4UN would want to set his? Maybe he is happy with the BAND buttons. Don't know about ON4UN but K6DGW is happy with the up/down band buttons Hope to find everyone in the FOBB tomorrow, I will have a 3 el yagi courtesy of W6MMA of superantennas.com. 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2008 Cal QSO Party 4-5 Oct 08 - www.cqp.org ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
I happened to tune across John ON4UN on 40 meters working a JA this morning(his evening). John was soliciting opinions from the JA on the audio quality of a K3.(he sounded great) It will be interesting to hear what John thinks of his? K3. Can anyone confirm that John owns one, or maybe was he just testing someone else's K3? An evaluation from this highly respected author should make for some interesting reading. 73 Craig ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
In a recent message, Craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote ... I happened to tune across John ON4UN on 40 meters working a JA ... Can anyone confirm that John owns one, If he does have a K3 he has not yet got round to entering his details on the Elecraft Owners' Database at http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html Although the Database says that it is for the K2/K1, other Elecraft gear, including the K3, is also listed there. 73 -- David G4DMP Leeds, England, UK -- ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
I happened to tune across John ON4UN on 40 meters working a JA this morning(his evening). John was soliciting opinions from the JA on the audio quality of a K3.(he sounded great) It will be interesting to hear what John thinks of his? K3. Can anyone confirm that John owns one, or maybe was he just testing someone else's K3? An evaluation from this highly respected author should make for some interesting reading. Craig, There was a message from M0EDX on another ham forum yesterday. ON4UN has told him in a QSO, that he likes K3 he is using, and going to keep it as a main rig. 73 Val LZ1VB ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
David Pratt-2 wrote: If he does have a K3 he has not yet got round to entering his details on the Elecraft Owners' Database at http://www.zerobeat.net/qrp/elowners.html Probably because like me, also a K3 owner (580) he can't be bothered to create yet another account to fill in or look at the information. -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p582366.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Val-12 LZ1VB wrote: There was a message from M0EDX on another ham forum yesterday. ON4UN has told him in a QSO, that he likes K3 he is using, and going to keep it as a main rig. That other forum is in Russian, but here's a Google translation (2 pages worth!): http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=ruu=http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D16461%26highlight%3Dsa=Xoi=translateresnum=1ct=resultprev=/search%3Fq%3Dm0edx%2Bon4un%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DS5l%26pwst%3D1 It's the same debate others have had...some prefer pretty (e.g. Christmas lights) over performance; some prefer form over function. Interesting to read. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p583013.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Man, this dude sums up my feelings EXACTLY! [quote...sort of...given the google translator thing] Maybe going banal, but I vsetaki speak: the K3 nekazisty design, it looks like something krivovato. [endquote] Looks like something krivovato: I'm going to take a wild guess here, but I'm betting that krivovato means a radio that really should be larger, with buttons for each of the bands - none of that up and down stuff for bands or modes. ;-) Steve NN4X On 7/25/08, Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Val-12 LZ1VB wrote: There was a message from M0EDX on another ham forum yesterday. ON4UN has told him in a QSO, that he likes K3 he is using, and going to keep it as a main rig. That other forum is in Russian, but here's a Google translation (2 pages worth!): http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=ruu=http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D16461%26highlight%3Dsa=Xoi=translateresnum=1ct=resultprev=/search%3Fq%3Dm0edx%2Bon4un%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DS5l%26pwst%3D1 It's the same debate others have had...some prefer pretty (e.g. Christmas lights) over performance; some prefer form over function. Interesting to read. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p583013.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
And silly me I prefer the smaller rig with the fewer buttons. Not to mention that you can use the memories to get separate band buttons using the keypad if needed. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Sacco Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:05 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? Man, this dude sums up my feelings EXACTLY! [quote...sort of...given the google translator thing] Maybe going banal, but I vsetaki speak: the K3 nekazisty design, it looks like something krivovato. [endquote] Looks like something krivovato: I'm going to take a wild guess here, but I'm betting that krivovato means a radio that really should be larger, with buttons for each of the bands - none of that up and down stuff for bands or modes. ;-) Steve NN4X On 7/25/08, Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Val-12 LZ1VB wrote: There was a message from M0EDX on another ham forum yesterday. ON4UN has told him in a QSO, that he likes K3 he is using, and going to keep it as a main rig. That other forum is in Russian, but here's a Google translation (2 pages worth!): http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=ruu=http://forum.cqham.ru/vi ewtopic.php%3Ft%3D16461%26highlight%3Dsa=Xoi=translateresnum=1ct=result prev=/search%3Fq%3Dm0edx%2Bon4un%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg. mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DS5l%26pwst%3D1 It's the same debate others have had...some prefer pretty (e.g. Christmas lights) over performance; some prefer form over function. Interesting to read. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p583013.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
To each their own, eh Brett? Regarding the memories - I don't want to have to remember what memory # tracks with what band. I want to push the 40 or 7 button to go to that band. It wasn't a big enough deal for me to prevent me from ordering my 2nd K3, which is in transit. I voted with my $$$. Actually, as I've gotten LP-PAN up and running, and having my first experiences with rig control software, I'm very curioius as to whether I'll prefer using that UI. If nothing else, I can click on a 40 button and go right there. :-) 73, Steve On 7/25/08, Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And silly me I prefer the smaller rig with the fewer buttons. Not to mention that you can use the memories to get separate band buttons using the keypad if needed. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
S Sacco wrote: Regarding the memories - I don't want to have to remember what memory # tracks with what band. I want to push the 40 or 7 button to go to that band. If you follow KR2Q's memory programming suggestion below, you only need one more press to do what you described: MV and 7 = 40 meters http://n2.nabble.com/K3%3A-remembering-filters-per-mode%2C-etc-tt465962.html#a465962 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p583272.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Glad to hear you ordered a second!!! I wonder if you used one of the newer label makers and printed up labels on a clear background how annoying they would look stuck over the buttons... Or you can always make it relatively easy to remember by using something like: 2 - 20 Meters 3 - 30 Meters 7 - 40 Meters 4 - 75/80 Meters 1 - 160 Meters Those are the somewhat easy ones to kinda fit in... Beyond that you have to either start getting creative or go for the labels. Or like you said... You can just do it in software... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of S Sacco Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 12:23 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? To each their own, eh Brett? Regarding the memories - I don't want to have to remember what memory # tracks with what band. I want to push the 40 or 7 button to go to that band. It wasn't a big enough deal for me to prevent me from ordering my 2nd K3, which is in transit. I voted with my $$$. Actually, as I've gotten LP-PAN up and running, and having my first experiences with rig control software, I'm very curioius as to whether I'll prefer using that UI. If nothing else, I can click on a 40 button and go right there. :-) 73, Steve On 7/25/08, Brett Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And silly me I prefer the smaller rig with the fewer buttons. Not to mention that you can use the memories to get separate band buttons using the keypad if needed. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Bill W4ZV wrote: S Sacco wrote: Regarding the memories - I don't want to have to remember what memory # tracks with what band. I want to push the 40 or 7 button to go to that band. If you follow KR2Q's memory programming suggestion below, you only need one more press to do what you described: MV and 7 = 40 meters http://n2.nabble.com/K3%3A-remembering-filters-per-mode%2C-etc-tt465962.html#a465962 Make that MV and 4 = 40 meters for what Doug described...you could do it in MHz instead of meters also. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p583289.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Steve, you missed :) Krivovato actually means crooked But the computer translation isn't much closer at all :) Val LZ1VB Looks like something krivovato: I'm going to take a wild guess here, but I'm betting that krivovato means a radio that really should be larger, with buttons for each of the bands - none of that up and down stuff for bands or modes. ;-) Steve NN4X On 7/25/08, Bill W4ZV [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Val-12 LZ1VB wrote: There was a message from M0EDX on another ham forum yesterday. ON4UN has told him in a QSO, that he likes K3 he is using, and going to keep it as a main rig. That other forum is in Russian, but here's a Google translation (2 pages worth!): http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ensl=ruu=http://forum.cqham.ru/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D16461%26highlight%3Dsa=Xoi=translateresnum=1ct=resultprev=/search%3Fq%3Dm0edx%2Bon4un%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DS5l%26pwst%3D1 It's the same debate others have had...some prefer pretty (e.g. Christmas lights) over performance; some prefer form over function. Interesting to read. 73, Bill -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p583013.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? - Who cares!
How silly this thread has gotten to while the Subject line does not match. Come on people. Now thenON4UN is a nice guy, great ham, etcbut I don't care if he has one or not. Gee, I wonder if KR7WEX has a TS2000? Lets drop this ... Lee - K0WA FLAME SUIT ON In our day and age it seems that Common Sense is in short supply. If you don't have any Common Sense - get some Common Sense and use it. If you can't find any Common Sense, ask for help from somebody who has some Common Sense. Is Common Sense divine? ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? - Who cares!
Lee Buller wrote: ... Now thenON4UN is a nice guy, great ham, etcbut I don't care if he has one or not. I paid attention when John replaced his FT1000D transceivers with Ten-Tec Orions. He claimed that the improvement in receiver performance was reason enough to make a change in spite of some rough edges on the Orion. If he chooses to switch to Elecraft K3s at some point, I want to know about it, and about his reasons for doing so. I'd also want to know his reasoning if he chooses not to make the switch (most likely small size, lack of direct band selection, too many multi-function controls). 73, Gus Hansen KB0YH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
RE: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
I like: 1 = 10m 2 = 20m 3 = 30m 4 = 40m 5 = 15m 6 = 60m 7 = 17m 8 = 80m 9 0 = 160m I use band down or band down to go to 6m or 12m. 73, John W2XS - Brett wrote: Or you can always make it relatively easy to remember by using something like: 2 - 20 Meters 3 - 30 Meters 7 - 40 Meters 4 - 75/80 Meters 1 - 160 Meters -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/ON4UN-has-a-K3--tp582259p583782.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
John, No matter what 'system' a particular person uses, he will get used to it. I have mine set: 1 = 80m 2 = 40m 3 = 30m --- the low bands 4 = 20m 5 = 15m 6 = 10m --- the high bands' 7 = 17m 8 = 12m 9 = 6m --- the WARC bands (almost) 0 = 160m --- TOP BAND 60 meters is seldom used here, so it is select 80 meters and then tap the BAND up button. I can easily remember the order without having to remember what number is associated with it. YMMV, everyone's mind works differently. I wonder how ON4UN would want to set his? Maybe he is happy with the BAND buttons. 73, Don W3FPR John W2XS wrote: I like: 1 = 10m 2 = 20m 3 = 30m 4 = 40m 5 = 15m 6 = 60m 7 = 17m 8 = 80m 9 0 = 160m I use band down or band down to go to 6m or 12m. 73, John W2XS - Brett wrote: Or you can always make it relatively easy to remember by using something like: 2 - 20 Meters 3 - 30 Meters 7 - 40 Meters 4 - 75/80 Meters 1 - 160 Meters ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
Yes, Don, I agree completely. Forget about the labels entirely and just learn them by key position. However, I went with a vertical scheme vs your horizontal one... The first keypad column (1,4,7) is 160, 80, 40. Second column is 20 to 6 (6m stands apart way down there on the zero key); third column is the warc bands. I figure if I can keep track of forty-some keys on a keyboard without looking then I can memorize the positions of ten band buttons on the k3. Now my band locations just seem right! No label reading; no mental translation... the buttons ARE the bands! So, if the power goes out I can navigate the bands without even needing to see the buttons. (Admittedly, there isn't much point to navigating the band buttons when there is no power to the K3...) 73, Drew AF2Z On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:03:25 -0400, Don W3FPR wrote: John, No matter what 'system' a particular person uses, he will get used to it. I have mine set: 1 = 80m 2 = 40m 3 = 30m --- the low bands 4 = 20m 5 = 15m 6 = 10m --- the high bands' 7 = 17m 8 = 12m 9 = 6m --- the WARC bands (almost) 0 = 160m --- TOP BAND 60 meters is seldom used here, so it is select 80 meters and then tap the BAND up button. I can easily remember the order without having to remember what number is associated with it. YMMV, everyone's mind works differently. I wonder how ON4UN would want to set his? Maybe he is happy with the BAND buttons. 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3?
The only reason I mention the labels is because it seems lately if you ask someone to press two buttons to get something done or to actually learn/remember something they look at you like you stole their favorite blanket. I love the whole press for one option and hold for another to get rid of having to press a F key and even more love the way that Elecraft laid out the panel so that often a press activates/inactivates a feature and a hold configures it. Can't get much simpler/cleaner than that. On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 20:25 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Don, I agree completely. Forget about the labels entirely and just learn them by key position. However, I went with a vertical scheme vs your horizontal one... The first keypad column (1,4,7) is 160, 80, 40. Second column is 20 to 6 (6m stands apart way down there on the zero key); third column is the warc bands. I figure if I can keep track of forty-some keys on a keyboard without looking then I can memorize the positions of ten band buttons on the k3. Now my band locations just seem right! No label reading; no mental translation... the buttons ARE the bands! So, if the power goes out I can navigate the bands without even needing to see the buttons. (Admittedly, there isn't much point to navigating the band buttons when there is no power to the K3...) 73, Drew AF2Z On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:03:25 -0400, Don W3FPR wrote: John, No matter what 'system' a particular person uses, he will get used to it. I have mine set: 1 = 80m 2 = 40m 3 = 30m --- the low bands 4 = 20m 5 = 15m 6 = 10m --- the high bands' 7 = 17m 8 = 12m 9 = 6m --- the WARC bands (almost) 0 = 160m --- TOP BAND 60 meters is seldom used here, so it is select 80 meters and then tap the BAND up button. I can easily remember the order without having to remember what number is associated with it. YMMV, everyone's mind works differently. I wonder how ON4UN would want to set his? Maybe he is happy with the BAND buttons. 73, Don W3FPR ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] ON4UN has a K3? - Who cares!
Why not sit down in front of the options that you're interested in and form an opinion of your own rather than go by someone else? Each persons operating style is different and if you don't operate the same way this guy does perhaps a rig that he just offloaded is the perfect companion to the way you like to do things. Maybe you can even buy it off him for a good price! :) On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 15:23 -0600, Augie Hansen wrote: Lee Buller wrote: ... Now thenON4UN is a nice guy, great ham, etcbut I don't care if he has one or not. I paid attention when John replaced his FT1000D transceivers with Ten-Tec Orions. He claimed that the improvement in receiver performance was reason enough to make a change in spite of some rough edges on the Orion. If he chooses to switch to Elecraft K3s at some point, I want to know about it, and about his reasons for doing so. I'd also want to know his reasoning if he chooses not to make the switch (most likely small size, lack of direct band selection, too many multi-function controls). 73, Gus Hansen KB0YH ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
