[Elecraft] OT: How to *NOT* get scammed.....emails offering to sell Elecraft equipment?
I hope its ok for me to post an OFF-TOPIC query. Here is my question: Recently I was forwarded an email.a ham offering to sell a slightly used KX3. I had a bad experience this summer with someone who I believe was posing as a ham offering to sell something via email. It was in response to a want-add I had posted on Eham-swap looking for parts. I received an email a supposed ham wanted to sell me an item he claimed was almost brand new. I said thank you anywayI'm specifically looking for parts. He emailed me 2 more times trying to get me to buy. I thanked him and repeated, I was only looking for parts. He then emailed me saying he had another unit he would sell as parts. I asked him for pictures. I never heard from him again. He was using a legitimate ham call-sign. I believe if someone on this list were selling a used KX3, it would be legit. But other forums I suspect are subject to scammers. Is there any way one can inspect an item at delivery before providing payment? C.O.D is kind of like that, but not quite. ** please no flammers ** Thanks :-] Duane - N1BBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: How to *NOT* get scammed.....emails offering to sell Elecraft equipment?
1) See if QRZ address matches the address he gives 2) Google search him to see if anyone complained on a list or elsewhere. Also see if he ever posts to ham reflectors and what that history is. 3) Does he have a land-line phone nr that can be verified against his address on the internet phone book? 4) Use USPS money order for payment. Supposed to give protection against fraud (possibly get the federal postal inspectors on your side) . This helps both sides, actually. If at least 3 of the above are OK, he probably is also. Jerry W4UK At 10:22 AM 10/3/2013, you wrote: I hope its ok for me to post an OFF-TOPIC query. Here is my question: Recently I was forwarded an email.a ham offering to sell a slightly used KX3. I had a bad experience this summer with someone who I believe was posing as a ham offering to sell something via email. It was in response to a want-add I had posted on Eham-swap looking for parts. I received an email a supposed ham wanted to sell me an item he claimed was almost brand new. I said thank you anywayI'm specifically looking for parts. He emailed me 2 more times trying to get me to buy. I thanked him and repeated, I was only looking for parts. He then emailed me saying he had another unit he would sell as parts. I asked him for pictures. I never heard from him again. He was using a legitimate ham call-sign. I believe if someone on this list were selling a used KX3, it would be legit. But other forums I suspect are subject to scammers. Is there any way one can inspect an item at delivery before providing payment? C.O.D is kind of like that, but not quite. ** please no flammers ** Thanks :-] Duane - N1BBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: How to *NOT* get scammed.....emails offering to sell Elecraft equipment?
Just a couple elaborations on these fine points. 1) QRZ email address is not always a sure fire protection against fraudulent posts. I had one gentleman I was going to purchase from who was unaware that his QRZ email was hacked. Get a phone number and references from another ham in his/her area if it is a big dollar purchase. 2) definitely communicate on the phone about the deal. Get additional pictures of the equipment. Trust your gut. If it feels wrong it probably is wrong. 3) I use Paypal and I realize it is expensive but I like the protections it provides. Cashiers checks is also something I have used with the name of the ham operator selling the equipment based on callsign on qrz or FCC database. Just another couple elaborations on already posted good suggestions. Good luck! Keith AK6ZZ Sent from my iPhone please excuse typos On Oct 3, 2013, at 7:38 AM, Jerry Flanders jefland...@comcast.net wrote: 1) See if QRZ address matches the address he gives 2) Google search him to see if anyone complained on a list or elsewhere. Also see if he ever posts to ham reflectors and what that history is. 3) Does he have a land-line phone nr that can be verified against his address on the internet phone book? 4) Use USPS money order for payment. Supposed to give protection against fraud (possibly get the federal postal inspectors on your side) . This helps both sides, actually. If at least 3 of the above are OK, he probably is also. Jerry W4UK At 10:22 AM 10/3/2013, you wrote: I hope its ok for me to post an OFF-TOPIC query. Here is my question: Recently I was forwarded an email.a ham offering to sell a slightly used KX3. I had a bad experience this summer with someone who I believe was posing as a ham offering to sell something via email. It was in response to a want-add I had posted on Eham-swap looking for parts. I received an email a supposed ham wanted to sell me an item he claimed was almost brand new. I said thank you anywayI'm specifically looking for parts. He emailed me 2 more times trying to get me to buy. I thanked him and repeated, I was only looking for parts. He then emailed me saying he had another unit he would sell as parts. I asked him for pictures. I never heard from him again. He was using a legitimate ham call-sign. I believe if someone on this list were selling a used KX3, it would be legit. But other forums I suspect are subject to scammers. Is there any way one can inspect an item at delivery before providing payment? C.O.D is kind of like that, but not quite. ** please no flammers ** Thanks :-] Duane - N1BBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: How to *NOT* get scammed.....emails offering to sell Elecraft equipment?
One more suggestion: ask for photocopy of a sales receipt, or an invoice, showing that he purchased the item from a legitimate source (e.g. an Elecraft invoice). I recently answered a Craigslist listing for an iMac. Price seemed too good to be true. It was. I smoked out the fraud by asking for sales receipts. Seller suddenly went into radio silence. Lew Lew Phelps N6LEW Pasadena, CA DM04wd Elecraft K3-10 Yaesu FT-7800 l...@n6lew.us www.ntlew.us On Oct 3, 2013, at 8:17 AM, Keith Heimbold ag...@hotmail.com wrote: Just a couple elaborations on these fine points.[snip] __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: How to *NOT* get scammed.....emails offering to sell Elecraft equipment?
Be careful trusting what you see on QRZ. There is a recent trend where an unsuspecting victim clicks on a link to view whatever a scammer is offering via email. That link leads to a QRZ.COM fake web page where the victim is asked to log in. After providing name and password, the victim is then directed to the real QRZ.COM. The scammer now has the login information he needs to get on QRZ and change the email address to something he controls. You would also not be surprised how many hams use the same password on multiple sites. They change other accounts as well and then scam ads are posted under legitimate user accounts. A lot of us site managers have gotten together and share information so these scammers are shut down fast but they still sneak through. 73 de na6m -Original Message- From: Jerry Flanders jefland...@comcast.net To: dw bw...@fastmail.fm Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 10:38:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: How to *NOT* get scammed.emails offering to sell Elecraft equipment? 1) See if QRZ address matches the address he gives 2) Google search him to see if anyone complained on a list or elsewhere. Also see if he ever posts to ham reflectors and what that history is. 3) Does he have a land-line phone nr that can be verified against his address on the internet phone book? 4) Use USPS money order for payment. Supposed to give protection against fraud (possibly get the federal postal inspectors on your side) . This helps both sides, actually. If at least 3 of the above are OK, he probably is also. Jerry W4UK At 10:22 AM 10/3/2013, you wrote: I hope its ok for me to post an OFF-TOPIC query. Here is my question: Recently I was forwarded an email.a ham offering to sell a slightly used KX3. I had a bad experience this summer with someone who I believe was posing as a ham offering to sell something via email. It was in response to a want-add I had posted on Eham-swap looking for parts. I received an email a supposed ham wanted to sell me an item he claimed was almost brand new. I said thank you anywayI'm specifically looking for parts. He emailed me 2 more times trying to get me to buy. I thanked him and repeated, I was only looking for parts. He then emailed me saying he had another unit he would sell as parts. I asked him for pictures. I never heard from him again. He was using a legitimate ham call-sign. I believe if someone on this list were selling a used KX3, it would be legit. But other forums I suspect are subject to scammers. Is there any way one can inspect an item at delivery before providing payment? C.O.D is kind of like that, but not quite. ** please no flammers ** Thanks :-] Duane - N1BBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft [http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft] Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm [http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm] Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net [http://www.qsl.net/] Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html [http://www.qsl.net/donate.html] __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] OT: How to *NOT* get scammed.....emails offering to sell Elecraft equipment?
To be clear concerning the QRZ address check:: QRZ.com can give the official FCC contact postal address. This can also be had on the FCC website. I recommend comparing that postal address to the postal address he gives for sending the USPS money order. I would NOT like a po box nr for this, and no address changes, either. And using USPS Money orders gives a sort of fraud protection for both the buyer and seller. Read USPS website. Looks like you can even check the validity of the MO there. Jerry W4UK At 11:37 AM 10/3/2013, Mark Stennett wrote: Be careful trusting what you see on QRZ. There is a recent trend where an unsuspecting victim clicks on a link to view whatever a scammer is offering via email. That link leads to a QRZ.COM fake web page where the victim is asked to log in. After providing name and password, the victim is then directed to the real QRZ.COM. The scammer now has the login information he needs to get on QRZ and change the email address to something he controls. You would also not be surprised how many hams use the same password on multiple sites. They change other accounts as well and then scam ads are posted under legitimate user accounts. A lot of us site managers have gotten together and share information so these scammers are shut down fast but they still sneak through. 73 de na6m -Original Message- From: Jerry Flanders jefland...@comcast.net To: dw bw...@fastmail.fm Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 10:38:18 -0400 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: How to *NOT* get scammed.emails offering to sell Elecraft equipment? 1) See if QRZ address matches the address he gives 2) Google search him to see if anyone complained on a list or elsewhere. Also see if he ever posts to ham reflectors and what that history is. 3) Does he have a land-line phone nr that can be verified against his address on the internet phone book? 4) Use USPS money order for payment. Supposed to give protection against fraud (possibly get the federal postal inspectors on your side) . This helps both sides, actually. If at least 3 of the above are OK, he probably is also. Jerry W4UK At 10:22 AM 10/3/2013, you wrote: I hope its ok for me to post an OFF-TOPIC query. Here is my question: Recently I was forwarded an email.a ham offering to sell a slightly used KX3. I had a bad experience this summer with someone who I believe was posing as a ham offering to sell something via email. It was in response to a want-add I had posted on Eham-swap looking for parts. I received an email a supposed ham wanted to sell me an item he claimed was almost brand new. I said thank you anywayI'm specifically looking for parts. He emailed me 2 more times trying to get me to buy. I thanked him and repeated, I was only looking for parts. He then emailed me saying he had another unit he would sell as parts. I asked him for pictures. I never heard from him again. He was using a legitimate ham call-sign. I believe if someone on this list were selling a used KX3, it would be legit. But other forums I suspect are subject to scammers. Is there any way one can inspect an item at delivery before providing payment? C.O.D is kind of like that, but not quite. ** please no flammers ** Thanks :-] Duane - N1BBR __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecrafthttp://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmhttp://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.nethttp://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlhttp://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] OT: How to *NOT* get scammed.....emails offering to sell Elecraft equipment?
Someone once suggested a simple method of smoking out a suspected scammer: Ask the seller to send you a photo of the item being sold together with some random but common household item that *you* select, such as a kitchen fork. This ensures that he actually has the item in his possession. Mark AI4BJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
