[Elecraft] OT: type of Keying
Well, this topic has migrated from requests for my kind of keyer to a comparision of the various types (including words such as relic). For the life of me, I can't see the practical difference. I understand the difference, but comparing iambic to utlimatic, I see essentially the same number of finger movements for the majority of letters/numbers. 1. The letter C in iambic requires each finger to close and open once. Ultimatic seems to involve more movements. 2. The figure 2: same for both: each finger closes and opens once. 3. The letter J: a shorter version of the figure 2. Both methods = same number of finger movements. 4. Punctuation period: Iambic seems to have fewer movements. 5. Letter R: both the same: each finger closes and opens once. 6. Punctuation ?: Thumb closes and opens twice with iambic. Ultimatic: thumb opens/closes just once. I'm not going to go through the entire alphabet, it it seems that this is purely personal preference with no advantage for Ultimatic over Iambic. Am I missing something? Please enlighten me...I am always anxious to learn! :-) de Doug KR2Q ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OT: Type of Keying
Doug, I agree. Perhaps it's as simple as we all think the format we've learned is the best. In the end it makes little difference. There would be little reason for me to learn a new method only to save a few slight finger movements. And I'm a serious contester where time spent counts. (:-)) 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] OT: type of Keying
KR2Q: Am I missing something? Please enlighten me...I am always anxious to learn! Take a clue from the High Speed Telegraphy contests. Most use single paddle keys (i.e. non-iambic of any form). The supposed advantages of iambic keying are a complete myth based on sending performance in these championships. http://marc.info/?l=elecraftm=115154424526630w=2 73, Bill W4ZV ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: type of Keying
It's not the reduction in finger movement that is at stake here, rather what the keying mode does when you let up on a closure. de Joe, aa4nn For the life of me, I can't see the practical difference. I understand the difference, but comparing iambic to utlimatic, I see essentially the same number of finger movements for the majority of letters/numbers. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: type of Keying
Doug and all, For me, the number of finger movements is not relevant, it is the timing and coordination that I have the most trouble with. Iambic A with a single lever paddle helps a lot, but good ones are either difficult to find or more expensive than suits my taste. I can handle Ultimatic with a dual lever paddle. My problem with iambic is twofold - I learned a bad habit with a bug that I just can't seem to shake completely - I sometimes depend on my thumb to 'push-off' my index finger and vice versa - leads to bad characters for me. Secondly, I had an injury to my arm that left me with more limited muscle control of my fingers. Yes, it is a problem with keyboard operation too. So, I use a K1EL keyer which does include Ultimatic, but it certainly would be nice if the Elecraft rigs incorporated Ultimatic natively. For those who do not know what Ultimatic keying is - there are no alternating dots and dashes. With both levers closed, the last one closed takes control and will send a string of dashes followed by dots if the dash lever had been closed and then the dot lever is also closed (works the other way around too). Think about the letter P - close the dot lever, and after the first dot has started, close the dash lever and hold it until the second dash has started and release the dash lever - continue holding the dot lever until the second of the two dots has started. Insertion of a single dot is even easier. 73, Don W3FPR DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote: For the life of me, I can't see the practical difference. I understand the difference, but comparing iambic to utlimatic, I see essentially the same number of finger movements for the majority of letters/numbers. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] OT: type of Keying
OK folks - no one has chastised me for it yet, but I obviously do not know morse code!! P is not .._ _ .., but ._ _ . I don't know where that particular code thought came from, but the principle remains the same, so I hope my example is more accurate than the code translation. 73, Don W3FPR Don Wilhelm wrote: Doug and all, For me, the number of finger movements is not relevant, it is the timing and coordination that I have the most trouble with. Iambic A with a single lever paddle helps a lot, but good ones are either difficult to find or more expensive than suits my taste. I can handle Ultimatic with a dual lever paddle. My problem with iambic is twofold - I learned a bad habit with a bug that I just can't seem to shake completely - I sometimes depend on my thumb to 'push-off' my index finger and vice versa - leads to bad characters for me. Secondly, I had an injury to my arm that left me with more limited muscle control of my fingers. Yes, it is a problem with keyboard operation too. So, I use a K1EL keyer which does include Ultimatic, but it certainly would be nice if the Elecraft rigs incorporated Ultimatic natively. For those who do not know what Ultimatic keying is - there are no alternating dots and dashes. With both levers closed, the last one closed takes control and will send a string of dashes followed by dots if the dash lever had been closed and then the dot lever is also closed (works the other way around too). Think about the letter P - close the dot lever, and after the first dot has started, close the dash lever and hold it until the second dash has started and release the dash lever - continue holding the dot lever until the second of the two dots has started. Insertion of a single dot is even easier. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
