Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread Bill Frantz
It happens with two different OSs and two different programs. 
The best place to look first is the common elements.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/26/18 at 5:00 PM, ghyoung...@gmail.com (Grant Youngman) wrote:

Why do you presume it is a fault of the P3 and not something 
funky happening with whatever software you’re running on your PC?


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342


On Oct 26, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Bill Frantz  wrote:

I have the same problem with wsjt-x running from a Mac. When I change bands, 
the center frequency

changes. Very annoying since it moves part of the display outside of the 17M 
and 12M bands.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/26/18 at 2:47 PM, k6...@foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote:


I think that may be a clue Ed, my K3 is ancient [#642] but has current FW and 
new synth.  The
computer connects to it and the P3 connects to the K3 serial 
port ... otherwise fixed-tune mode wouldn't work.  I've never 
seen the issue when changing bands with the BAND U/D switch, or 
from macros executed from the KPOD, only when the commands 
start at the computer and go thru the P3 to the K3.  N1MM+ is 
the only control software I use.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread Grant Youngman
Why do you presume it is a fault of the P3 and not something funky happening 
with whatever software you’re running on your PC?

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Oct 26, 2018, at 7:46 PM, Bill Frantz  wrote:
> 
> I have the same problem with wsjt-x running from a Mac. When I change bands, 
> the center frequency changes. Very annoying since it moves part of the 
> display outside of the 17M and 12M bands.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
> On 10/26/18 at 2:47 PM, k6...@foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote:
> 
>> I think that may be a clue Ed, my K3 is ancient [#642] but has current FW 
>> and new synth.  The computer connects to it and the P3 connects to the K3 
>> serial port ... otherwise fixed-tune mode wouldn't work.  I've never seen 
>> the issue when changing bands with the BAND U/D switch, or from macros 
>> executed from the KPOD, only when the commands start at the computer and go 
>> thru the P3 to the K3.  N1MM+ is the only control software I use.
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread Bill Frantz
I have the same problem with wsjt-x running from a Mac. When I 
change bands, the center frequency changes. Very annoying since 
it moves part of the display outside of the 17M and 12M bands.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 10/26/18 at 2:47 PM, k6...@foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote:

I think that may be a clue Ed, my K3 is ancient [#642] but has 
current FW and new synth.  The computer connects to it and the 
P3 connects to the K3 serial port ... otherwise fixed-tune mode 
wouldn't work.  I've never seen the issue when changing bands 
with the BAND U/D switch, or from macros executed from the 
KPOD, only when the commands start at the computer and go thru 
the P3 to the K3.  N1MM+ is the only control software I use.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread Fred Jensen
I think that may be a clue Ed, my K3 is ancient [#642] but has current 
FW and new synth.  The computer connects to it and the P3 connects to 
the K3 serial port ... otherwise fixed-tune mode wouldn't work.  I've 
never seen the issue when changing bands with the BAND U/D switch, or 
from macros executed from the KPOD, only when the commands start at the 
computer and go thru the P3 to the K3.  N1MM+ is the only control 
software I use.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2018 2:30 PM, AB4IQ wrote:

Sorry guys but N1MM+ works fine here.  I went to several bands and modes
with no change in the P3's span.  I am running WIN4K3SUITE and COM0COM and
all three programs at the same time with no issues.  I am using just a
standard (Printer Cable) to the PC but it is connected to the K3S rather
than the P3.  I thought it ran to the P3 at first but after further
inspection I was wrong.  (as Usual)

Ed..AB4IQ

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of AB4IQ
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:13 PM
To: 'Fred Jensen' ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

I guess maybe I need to fire up N1MM+ to see what happens here.  Dxbase
seems to work fine and so does DX4WIN.

Ed.. AB4IQ

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:52 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

It may be a timing issue.  It only happens when the software [N1MM+ in my
case] sends a frequency command.  It rarely happens for me when I make the
first frequency change.  Returning to the first band, it usually happens.
And you're right, it is annoying.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2018 10:01 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:

First sent this to Skip rather than the list...


This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction
of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is
issued to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the
horizon for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's
absolutely NO reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits
by itself once they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain
every couple of months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get
it fixed.

73...
Randy, W8FN


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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread AB4IQ
Sorry guys but N1MM+ works fine here.  I went to several bands and modes
with no change in the P3's span.  I am running WIN4K3SUITE and COM0COM and
all three programs at the same time with no issues.  I am using just a
standard (Printer Cable) to the PC but it is connected to the K3S rather
than the P3.  I thought it ran to the P3 at first but after further
inspection I was wrong.  (as Usual)

Ed..AB4IQ

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of AB4IQ
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:13 PM
To: 'Fred Jensen' ; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

I guess maybe I need to fire up N1MM+ to see what happens here.  Dxbase
seems to work fine and so does DX4WIN.

Ed.. AB4IQ

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:52 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

It may be a timing issue.  It only happens when the software [N1MM+ in my
case] sends a frequency command.  It rarely happens for me when I make the
first frequency change.  Returning to the first band, it usually happens.
And you're right, it is annoying.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2018 10:01 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
> First sent this to Skip rather than the list...
>
>> This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction 
>> of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is 
>> issued to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the 
>> horizon for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's 
>> absolutely NO reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits 
>> by itself once they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain 
>> every couple of months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get 
>> it fixed.
>>
>> 73...
>> Randy, W8FN
>>

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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread Don Wilhelm
I believe I heard of this "problem" before.  It needs to be addressed 
with the N1MM+ folks for a possible fix.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 10/26/2018 4:52 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
It may be a timing issue.  It only happens when the software [N1MM+ in 
my case] sends a frequency command.  It rarely happens for me when I 
make the first frequency change.  Returning to the first band, it 
usually happens.  And you're right, it is annoying.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2018 10:01 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:

First sent this to Skip rather than the list...

This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction 
of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is 
issued to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the 
horizon for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's 
absolutely NO reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits 
by itself once they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain 
every couple of months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get 
it fixed.

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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread AB4IQ
I guess maybe I need to fire up N1MM+ to see what happens here.  Dxbase seems 
to work fine and so does DX4WIN.

Ed.. AB4IQ

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 3:52 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

It may be a timing issue.  It only happens when the software [N1MM+ in my case] 
sends a frequency command.  It rarely happens for me when I make the first 
frequency change.  Returning to the first band, it usually happens.  And you're 
right, it is annoying.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2018 10:01 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
> First sent this to Skip rather than the list...
>
>> This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction 
>> of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is 
>> issued to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the 
>> horizon for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's 
>> absolutely NO reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits 
>> by itself once they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain 
>> every couple of months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get 
>> it fixed.
>>
>> 73...
>> Randy, W8FN
>>

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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread Fred Jensen
It may be a timing issue.  It only happens when the software [N1MM+ in 
my case] sends a frequency command.  It rarely happens for me when I 
make the first frequency change.  Returning to the first band, it 
usually happens.  And you're right, it is annoying.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 10/26/2018 10:01 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:

First sent this to Skip rather than the list...

This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction 
of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is 
issued to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the 
horizon for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's 
absolutely NO reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits 
by itself once they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain 
every couple of months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get 
it fixed.


73...
Randy, W8FN



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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread AB4IQ
I just went thru my 2 K3S's and K3 all attached to different P3's with my
cable attached to the P3's comm ports and for some reason do not have the
same issue.  My span limits on all three have stayed the same from 6 to 160
meters.  I'm using three different PC's with two of them using Windows 10
Pro and one using Windows 7 Pro.  I used Dxbase to change the frequency of
all three rigs from Cluster spots.  Don't know why mine doesn't have the
same issues.  Luck I guess..

Ed.. AB4IQ

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Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:12 PM
To: w...@tx.rr.com
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

I haven't noticed that large a shift, but sometimes 0.5 kHz or so.

Scott K9MA 

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> On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Randy Farmer  wrote:
> 
> First sent this to Skip rather than the list...
> 
>> This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction of
the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is issued to the
radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the horizon for curing this
extremely annoying "feature"? There's absolutely NO reason for the P3 to
decide to change the span limits by itself once they've been set up on a
band. Maybe if we complain every couple of months someone at Elecraft will
take notice and get it fixed.
>> 
>> 73...
>> Randy, W8FN
>> 
>>> On 8/31/2018 5:07 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>> FW: 1.60
>>> Fixed Tune mode
>>> No SVGA
>>> Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port
>>> 
>>> The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I
change bands.  For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span window
going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come back to 40,
the span will now be 7025 to 7045.  Is this normal?  Have I missed a menu
option?
>>> 
>>> It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put where
I left it.  I think it has some connection to where in the span window the
cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse engineer that.  I'd
really like it to retain whatever span window limits I've set for each band.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>>> Washoe County
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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread K9MA
I haven't noticed that large a shift, but sometimes 0.5 kHz or so.

Scott K9MA 

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> On Oct 26, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Randy Farmer  wrote:
> 
> First sent this to Skip rather than the list...
> 
>> This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction of the 
>> P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is issued to the radio 
>> via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the horizon for curing this 
>> extremely annoying "feature"? There's absolutely NO reason for the P3 to 
>> decide to change the span limits by itself once they've been set up on a 
>> band. Maybe if we complain every couple of months someone at Elecraft will 
>> take notice and get it fixed.
>> 
>> 73...
>> Randy, W8FN
>> 
>>> On 8/31/2018 5:07 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>> FW: 1.60
>>> Fixed Tune mode
>>> No SVGA
>>> Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port
>>> 
>>> The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I 
>>> change bands.  For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span window 
>>> going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come back to 40, 
>>> the span will now be 7025 to 7045.  Is this normal?  Have I missed a menu 
>>> option?
>>> 
>>> It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put where I 
>>> left it.  I think it has some connection to where in the span window the 
>>> cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse engineer that.  I'd 
>>> really like it to retain whatever span window limits I've set for each band.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>>> Washoe County
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-10-26 Thread Randy Farmer

First sent this to Skip rather than the list...

This appears to have been a problem from the time of the introduction 
of the P3. It seems to be triggered when a frequency command is issued 
to the radio via the P3 comm port. Is there any hope on the horizon 
for curing this extremely annoying "feature"? There's absolutely NO 
reason for the P3 to decide to change the span limits by itself once 
they've been set up on a band. Maybe if we complain every couple of 
months someone at Elecraft will take notice and get it fixed.


73...
Randy, W8FN

On 8/31/2018 5:07 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

FW: 1.60
Fixed Tune mode
No SVGA
Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port

The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I 
change bands.  For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span 
window going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come 
back to 40, the span will now be 7025 to 7045.  Is this normal?  Have 
I missed a menu option?


It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put 
where I left it.  I think it has some connection to where in the span 
window the cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse 
engineer that.  I'd really like it to retain whatever span window 
limits I've set for each band.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County



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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-08-31 Thread Fred Jensen
It's in fixed-tune mode.  The span window width stays constant, as it 
should, it's positioning in the band changes, always by +5 KHz.  Another 
reply advised in a direct email that this is indeed a "feature" and is 
related to how the band change is initiated.  I can't think of a reason 
why it would be useful but it is really just an annoyance.  The P3 is 
approaching maturity if not already there and perhaps development and 
firmware updates are becoming less common.


Incidentally, I haven't touched the alignment of my K2 since you 
repaired and aligned it after a u-processor failure several years ago, 
and it is still performing perfectly. [:=)


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 8/31/2018 3:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:

Skip,

The P3 span is the same in both cases (20kHz).  If your P3 is set to 
Tracking mode, you can expect that if your K3 VFO has been changed 
from 7030kHz to somewhat above that frequency (VFO frequency is always 
in the middle of the display).
If your P3 is in Fixed mode, I believe it should stay fixed to your 
selected frequency span with no change, but I have not verified that 
is true.  If you are in Fixed mode and it changes, I do not have an 
answer for that.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/31/2018 6:07 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

FW: 1.60
Fixed Tune mode
No SVGA
Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port

The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I 
change bands.  For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span 
window going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come 
back to 40, the span will now be 7025 to 7045.  Is this normal?  Have 
I missed a menu option?


It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put 
where I left it.  I think it has some connection to where in the span 
window the cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse 
engineer that.  I'd really like it to retain whatever span window 
limits I've set for each band.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-08-31 Thread Don Wilhelm

Skip,

The P3 span is the same in both cases (20kHz).  If your P3 is set to 
Tracking mode, you can expect that if your K3 VFO has been changed from 
7030kHz to somewhat above that frequency (VFO frequency is always in the 
middle of the display).
If your P3 is in Fixed mode, I believe it should stay fixed to your 
selected frequency span with no change, but I have not verified that is 
true.  If you are in Fixed mode and it changes, I do not have an answer 
for that.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 8/31/2018 6:07 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

FW: 1.60
Fixed Tune mode
No SVGA
Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port

The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I 
change bands.  For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span window 
going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come back to 
40, the span will now be 7025 to 7045.  Is this normal?  Have I missed a 
menu option?


It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put where 
I left it.  I think it has some connection to where in the span window 
the cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse engineer 
that.  I'd really like it to retain whatever span window limits I've set 
for each band.



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[Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands

2018-08-31 Thread Fred Jensen

FW: 1.60
Fixed Tune mode
No SVGA
Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port

The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I 
change bands.  For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span window 
going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come back to 
40, the span will now be 7025 to 7045.  Is this normal?  Have I missed a 
menu option?


It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put where 
I left it.  I think it has some connection to where in the span window 
the cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse engineer 
that.  I'd really like it to retain whatever span window limits I've set 
for each band.


73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County
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