Re: [Elecraft] P3 v SubRX

2015-03-09 Thread Eric Ross
I am in full agreement.  I feel blind without my P3.  At a glance I can
tell if the band is active or not.  For example, last weekend with the
DX contest and the wide open 20m, the scope was almost solid in certain
spectrums.

I find that I use the subRX if I am getting bored on the 75m net and
want someone else to listen to.  I also find it useful for tuning in the
+5 ahead of time before leaving the net with someone and making sure
that it is available.  I am not set up with a separate Rx antenna so I
can't comment on how useful diversity Rx is.

Bottom line, if I have to choose only one, I would choose the P3.

Eric, WB7SDE


On Mon, Mar 9, 2015, at 01:00 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
 Don ‹
 
 I agree with Dave.  I have both - the SubRX from the beginning and the P3
 a year or so later.  I have become addicted to the P3; but can¹t remember
 using the SubRX for anything other than chasing DX in pileups.  Even in
 contests, where operating a significant split is usually a no-no, the XIT
 alone has been enough while the subRX imposes a small but noticeable hit
 on weak-signal sensitivity.  But I am strictly CW - there may be
 advantages in other modes.
 
 Ted, KN1CBR
 
 
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 Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 09:50:49 -0700
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 Panadaptor, you will probably get more use from it than the sub rx.  I
 do...  I had occasion to have it mine off for a bit, and it is crippling
 to no longer have one...  I use it so much more than a sub RX.
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 On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 16:24 +, Don Putnick via Elecraft wrote:
  Okay, folks. Please advise me on a worthy cause - my K3. I'm a casual
 DXer and I don't contest. My main modes are SSB and soundcard digital.
 I'm fully stocked with roofing filters, and I have the KPA500 and
 KAT500. Should my next purchase be a subreceiver or a panadapter, and
 why? 73 Don NA6Z K3 #5495
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[Elecraft] P3 v SubRX

2015-03-09 Thread Dauer, Edward
Don ‹

I agree with Dave.  I have both - the SubRX from the beginning and the P3
a year or so later.  I have become addicted to the P3; but can¹t remember
using the SubRX for anything other than chasing DX in pileups.  Even in
contests, where operating a significant split is usually a no-no, the XIT
alone has been enough while the subRX imposes a small but noticeable hit
on weak-signal sensitivity.  But I am strictly CW - there may be
advantages in other modes.

Ted, KN1CBR


Message: 8
Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2015 09:50:49 -0700
From: David Cole d...@nk7z.net
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] My K3 needs pimping
Message-ID: 1425919849.15814.234.camel@nostromo.NK7Z
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Panadaptor, you will probably get more use from it than the sub rx.  I
do...  I had occasion to have it mine off for a bit, and it is crippling
to no longer have one...  I use it so much more than a sub RX.
-- 
Thanks and 73's,
For equipment, and software setups and reviews see:
www.nk7z.net
for MixW support see;
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/mixw/info
for Dopplergram information see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/dopplergram/info
for MM-SSTV see:
http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MM-SSTV/info


On Mon, 2015-03-09 at 16:24 +, Don Putnick via Elecraft wrote:
 Okay, folks. Please advise me on a worthy cause - my K3. I'm a casual
DXer and I don't contest. My main modes are SSB and soundcard digital.
I'm fully stocked with roofing filters, and I have the KPA500 and
KAT500. Should my next purchase be a subreceiver or a panadapter, and
why? 73 Don NA6Z K3 #5495
 '
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 v SubRX

2015-03-09 Thread Bill Frantz
I had the same problem trying to work K1N. I don't have the 
subreceiver, and trying to identify the station being worked 
gets really hard as you switch between frequencies with the 
REVerse button. It doesn't help that the tuning knob for the 
pileup changes when you hold REV. Jack, W6FB commented that it 
was really nice with the DX in the left ear, the pileup in the 
right, and only one knob to turn.


I'll probably add the subreceiver to the radio, but there are 
some higher priority pieces.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 3/9/15 at 6:02 PM, w...@tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer) wrote:


I would agree that the P3 should probably take priority over the Subreceiver 
for a new buy, mostly due to the many different things it can do for you. 
But... my experience this weekend trying to work E30FB on 20 CW sure made me 
glad I had the Sub. I would never have worked them using just the scope.

Problem is, it seems the way people try to work DX these days 
makes it virtually impossible to depend on a visual cue to know 
who's being worked by the DX if there's a pileup of any size at 
all. E30FB had the pile spread out for better than 20 kHz, and 
the scope showed a constant morass of signals all across the 
entire span. Aside from the obliviots who continually send 
their call whether the DX is listening or not, there are many 
who apparently see nothing wrong with coming back or continuing 
to call when the DX operator replies to a call that obviously 
isn't theirs. Every time E30FB would answer a complete call 
there were dozens of perfectly timed signals that jumped up all 
across the extent of the pileup. Luckily, using the second 
receiver I managed to stumble on to one that turned out to 
actually be the guy he was working. A minute or two of careful 
listening around that frequency revealed the operator's tuning 
pattern, and after just a couple of calls I was in the log too.


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Re: [Elecraft] P3 v SubRX

2015-03-09 Thread Randy Farmer
I would agree that the P3 should probably take priority over the 
Subreceiver for a new buy, mostly due to the many different things it 
can do for you. But... my experience this weekend trying to work E30FB 
on 20 CW sure made me glad I had the Sub. I would never have worked them 
using just the scope.


Problem is, it seems the way people try to work DX these days makes it 
virtually impossible to depend on a visual cue to know who's being 
worked by the DX if there's a pileup of any size at all. E30FB had the 
pile spread out for better than 20 kHz, and the scope showed a constant 
morass of signals all across the entire span. Aside from the obliviots 
who continually send their call whether the DX is listening or not, 
there are many who apparently see nothing wrong with coming back or 
continuing to call when the DX operator replies to a call that obviously 
isn't theirs. Every time E30FB would answer a complete call there were 
dozens of perfectly timed signals that jumped up all across the extent 
of the pileup. Luckily, using the second receiver I managed to stumble 
on to one that turned out to actually be the guy he was working. A 
minute or two of careful listening around that frequency revealed the 
operator's tuning pattern, and after just a couple of calls I was in the 
log too.


If you really want to work rare DX these days you're going to NEED the 
second receiver. This isn't due to any problems with the capabilities of 
the P3 -- it's the result of operating practices that continue to 
deteriorate. You'll need all the tools you can get and all the cunning 
you can muster to work DX through the Doofus curtain these days.


73...
Randy, W8FN
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 v SubRX

2015-03-09 Thread Carl Yaffey
Randy, I can do the same thing by holding REV and dialing around with VFO A. 
Certainly not as convenient as having a subRX but it works. To make sure I 
don’t accidentally lose the DX's frequency, I lock VFO A first. 
Yes, I am amazed and shocked at the horrible operating practices I now see. I 
weep. :(
73.


 On Mar 9, 2015, at 9:02 PM, Randy Farmer w...@tx.rr.com wrote:
 
 I would agree that the P3 should probably take priority over the Subreceiver 
 for a new buy, mostly due to the many different things it can do for you. 
 But... my experience this weekend trying to work E30FB on 20 CW sure made me 
 glad I had the Sub. I would never have worked them using just the scope.

Carl Yaffey  K8NU
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Re: [Elecraft] P3 v SubRX

2015-03-09 Thread Rick WA6NHC

You're preachin to da choir son.  Fine job though.

K1N was awful for DQRM, lids and untrained idiots.  3G0ZC the next week 
wasn't quite as bad, nor as rare.  E30FB is rough here on the West Coast 
due to lack of signal strength, conditions and the same crowds.  You 
can't hear, what isn't there.


I see that problem cause as twofold:  Lack of noobs seeking an Elmer for 
proper training NOT covered adequately in the classes or tests; Lack of 
folks willing to become an Elmer to guide the newcomers. That's WAY off 
topic for here.


Putting in perspective and back on topic; the P3 was almost totally 
useless for K1N, except to watch and measure the height and width of the 
pileup (there WERE no holes to utilize in that pack).  What you said is 
very true, the subreceiver helped, about as much because of the reasons 
you stated too.  Together however, is still a deadly combination, by 
watching the (group of) signal(s) on the P3 that the DX is working, 
quickly tuning the receiver to the most likely being worked and 
confirming by ear, they allowed me to gain 13 Q's with K1N on a low 
dipole and some power (it's all in the DX pattern recognition, if 
they're not purposely avoiding a pattern).  The other operating style 
was simply work the edges of the pileup, don't be in the middle.


P3 and KRX3 in 'normal' DX collecting... fish:barrel.  They are the sole 
reason I have 250 'entities' in the log over the last couple years.  
When I'm not traveling, I DX (sometimes I *am* the DX).  Oh yes, the 
KPA500 helps, a LOT since I'm on a sole dipole.


I don't see things improving in the ranks, so anyone looking at the 
purchase of the K Line should simply keep the budget open ended and 
collect everything as they can.  P3 first (plan on the SVGA card too, 
your eyes will never improve), then a KRX3, then flesh it out with more.


Let's look at your budget too.  The P3/SVGA combo costs versus the KRX3 
with filters (mine are all filled the same in both, for diversity and to 
minimize what my failing ears are subjected to when listening in two 
places).  Add in that you'll have to replace the Synth card when you add 
the KRX3 (or obtain two used ones, storing the new one for later, but 
why) and I suspect that financially as well, the P3/SVGA will be more 
reachable first.


That's my best reasoning for the P3 and why it should be first. It's the 
better of the two choices and it's more financially obtainable.


Whatever you choose, good luck and good hunting.

Rick wa6nhc


On 3/9/2015 6:02 PM, Randy Farmer wrote:
I would agree that the P3 should probably take priority over the 
Subreceiver for a new buy, mostly due to the many different things it 
can do for you. But... my experience this weekend trying to work E30FB 
on 20 CW sure made me glad I had the Sub. I would never have worked 
them using just the scope.


Problem is, it seems the way people try to work DX these days makes it 
virtually impossible to depend on a visual cue to know who's being 
worked by the DX if there's a pileup of any size at all. E30FB had the 
pile spread out for better than 20 kHz, and the scope showed a 
constant morass of signals all across the entire span. Aside from the 
obliviots who continually send their call whether the DX is listening 
or not, there are many who apparently see nothing wrong with coming 
back or continuing to call when the DX operator replies to a call that 
obviously isn't theirs. Every time E30FB would answer a complete call 
there were dozens of perfectly timed signals that jumped up all across 
the extent of the pileup. Luckily, using the second receiver I managed 
to stumble on to one that turned out to actually be the guy he was 
working. A minute or two of careful listening around that frequency 
revealed the operator's tuning pattern, and after just a couple of 
calls I was in the log too.


If you really want to work rare DX these days you're going to NEED the 
second receiver. This isn't due to any problems with the capabilities 
of the P3 -- it's the result of operating practices that continue to 
deteriorate. You'll need all the tools you can get and all the cunning 
you can muster to work DX through the Doofus curtain these days.


73...
Randy, W8FN
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