Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
Thanks for all the inputs on my question concerning the P3/P3SVGA combo vs other alternatives. I learned a lot. After reading them all, I have decided to go with P3SVGA option vs. the LP-Pan option. Appreciate the help. 73 Paul kc2nyu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
You also do not need an extra computer *or* display for the base P3 and it does not take display space away from the logging software. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2/23/2013 11:52 AM, ab2tc wrote: Hi all, You do not need an extra computer or display for use with LP-Pan. This is my usual operating screen on a 21" LCD monitor: http://ab2tc.getmyip.com/MyOperatingScreen.png That is from operating in the French contest this morning. Knut - AB2TC Matt Zilmer wrote I own both. The P3 is by far the better integrated solution. Adding the SVGA to it is a good idea and very useful for a number of functions (decode display mainly), but primarily for the higher resolution and ease of use in a shack setting. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3SVGA-or-LP-PAN-NaP3-K3-tp7570210p7570251.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
Hi Knut, Just a little clarification for those who may not be familiar with the details of the P3/SVGA: The P3/SVGA combo is used independent of a computer. The monitor connected to the P3/SVGA *may* be the same monitor that you have connected to a computer -- but it cannot be used simultaneously WITH the computer. A switch (either built-in or external to the monitor) would select the source of either computer or P3/SVGA. On the other hand, using LP-PAN/NaP3 *requires* A computer (with a decent sound card) and monitor -- though it does not have to be an EXTRA computer and monitor, as you demonstrated with your screenshot showing a variety of ham radio applications running alongside NaP3. 73, Dale WA8SRA On 2/23/2013 11:52 AM, ab2tc wrote: Hi all, You do not need an extra computer or display for use with LP-Pan. This is my usual operating screen on a 21" LCD monitor: http://ab2tc.getmyip.com/MyOperatingScreen.png That is from operating in the French contest this morning. Knut - AB2TC Matt Zilmer wrote I own both. The P3 is by far the better integrated solution. Adding the SVGA to it is a good idea and very useful for a number of functions (decode display mainly), but primarily for the higher resolution and ease of use in a shack setting. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
Hi all, You do not need an extra computer or display for use with LP-Pan. This is my usual operating screen on a 21" LCD monitor: http://ab2tc.getmyip.com/MyOperatingScreen.png That is from operating in the French contest this morning. Knut - AB2TC Matt Zilmer wrote > I own both. The P3 is by far the better integrated solution. Adding > the SVGA to it is a good idea and very useful for a number of > functions (decode display mainly), but primarily for the higher > resolution and ease of use in a shack setting. > -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3SVGA-or-LP-PAN-NaP3-K3-tp7570210p7570251.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
I own both. The P3 is by far the better integrated solution. Adding the SVGA to it is a good idea and very useful for a number of functions (decode display mainly), but primarily for the higher resolution and ease of use in a shack setting. The LP Pan works as advertised, and I bought it before the P3 was available. I don't use the LP Pan any more. Never got into using Skimmer or any other visual aids like it, so there is no specific advantage for the operations I do at home or in the field. For Field Day and field operations in general, the P3 is a lot handier (imho) than the LP Pan. It is just one more box and a cable set, but the LP Pan requires a separate computer for display. I like having a computer alongside the other equipment for logging and for operating digital modes, but don't want to use it for a panadapter function at the same time. Just one more opinion to add to the pile. If you would like to buy a working but used LP-Pan that's set up for the K3 IF, let me know and maybe we could make a deal. 73, matt W6NIA On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:51:19 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >First, I looked in the archives and didn't really find an answer. I have a K3 >and P3 and love the combination, but seeing a P3 with a P3SVGA card in action >at Orlando Hamcation, I have been considering adding the P3SVGA card to my P3. >But have read some articles about the LP-Pan and I am interested in opinions >on overall capabilities of P3/P3SVGA combo vs. LP-Pan/NaP3 combo. The >individual items are roughly the same price. (I understand that an external >sound card will be needed with LP-Pan) So can anyone who has experience with >each, give some opinions on the pluses and minus of each terms of >capabilities, and recommendations on which way to go? > >73 Paul >kc2nyu >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
I've owned and used all three solutions ... P3, SDR-IQ and LP-Pan. I sold LP-Pan and SDR-IQ sets on the shelf. The P3 is used every day. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2/22/2013 8:04 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: Option three is an SDR-IQ and Spectravue software. I use LP-Bridge to "connect" the K3, SDR-IQ, N1MM, DXBase (logging) and AXETTY (an MMTTY variant that works with DXBase) together. I use a laptop and a second larger monitor and arrange stuff as needed for different operating modes (i.e RTTY DXing, contesting, etc.) Wes N7WS --- On Thu, 2/21/13, paul ecker wrote: First, I looked in the archives and didn't really find an answer. I have a K3 and P3 and love the combination, but seeing a P3 with a P3SVGA card in action at Orlando Hamcation, I have been considering adding the P3SVGA card to my P3. But have read some articles about the LP-Pan and I am interested in opinions on overall capabilities of P3/P3SVGA combo vs. LP-Pan/NaP3 combo. The individual items are roughly the same price. (I understand that an external sound card will be needed with LP-Pan) So can anyone who has experience with each, give some opinions on the pluses and minus of each terms of capabilities, and recommendations on which way to go? 73 Paul kc2nyu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
Paul I bought and used an SDR-IQ after I dumped LP-Pan with my 5000 it did work better for sure your right. But still the P3/SVGA comes out on top for all the added features like CW/PSK/RTTY decoding and using the K3 macros to send no computer needed. The SVGA gives you the extra of seeing the larger decoded CW and digital signals a big plus. -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 7:05 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net; paul ecker Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3) Option three is an SDR-IQ and Spectravue software. I use LP-Bridge to "connect" the K3, SDR-IQ, N1MM, DXBase (logging) and AXETTY (an MMTTY variant that works with DXBase) together. I use a laptop and a second larger monitor and arrange stuff as needed for different operating modes (i.e RTTY DXing, contesting, etc.) Wes N7WS --- On Thu, 2/21/13, paul ecker wrote: First, I looked in the archives and didn't really find an answer. I have a K3 and P3 and love the combination, but seeing a P3 with a P3SVGA card in action at Orlando Hamcation, I have been considering adding the P3SVGA card to my P3. But have read some articles about the LP-Pan and I am interested in opinions on overall capabilities of P3/P3SVGA combo vs. LP-Pan/NaP3 combo. The individual items are roughly the same price. (I understand that an external sound card will be needed with LP-Pan) So can anyone who has experience with each, give some opinions on the pluses and minus of each terms of capabilities, and recommendations on which way to go? 73 Paul kc2nyu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
Option three is an SDR-IQ and Spectravue software. I use LP-Bridge to "connect" the K3, SDR-IQ, N1MM, DXBase (logging) and AXETTY (an MMTTY variant that works with DXBase) together. I use a laptop and a second larger monitor and arrange stuff as needed for different operating modes (i.e RTTY DXing, contesting, etc.) Wes N7WS --- On Thu, 2/21/13, paul ecker wrote: First, I looked in the archives and didn't really find an answer. I have a K3 and P3 and love the combination, but seeing a P3 with a P3SVGA card in action at Orlando Hamcation, I have been considering adding the P3SVGA card to my P3. But have read some articles about the LP-Pan and I am interested in opinions on overall capabilities of P3/P3SVGA combo vs. LP-Pan/NaP3 combo. The individual items are roughly the same price. (I understand that an external sound card will be needed with LP-Pan) So can anyone who has experience with each, give some opinions on the pluses and minus of each terms of capabilities, and recommendations on which way to go? 73 Paul kc2nyu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
Dale, I'm glad you mentioned the taller waterfall display on the external monitor. This fact is important for anybody considering the P3SVGA option. When used in the fixed tune mode I have found it extremely beneficial operating search and pounce in contests. In some contests with long exchanges (like some RTTY contests or the Sweepstakes contest) I can tune in on a waterfall a half inch or more below the the break line and just wait for the station to return. A real point bonanza. 73, Mike K2MK Dale Boresz wrote > Partial quote from Dale: > > but the really big 'plus' to the external monitor for me > is the much longer 'history' capture of the slower and taller waterfall > display - over the smaller P3 screen. -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/P3SVGA-or-LP-PAN-NaP3-K3-tp7570210p7570225.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
Paul, I started with the LP-Pan and NaP3, and it worked very well. I now have the P3SVGA and like it a *lot*. For some context, I only used 'Fixed Tune' mode with both scenarios, and generally limit the displayed bandwidth to somewhere between 30-50KHz. The P3 screen, though it is small, is very sharp and (IMHO) easy on the eyes when other supporting factors (nature or your glasses) can provide the proper focus for the required viewing distance. The external monitor provides an outstanding large-screen enhancement that makes everything easier to see, but the really big 'plus' to the external monitor for me is the much longer 'history' capture of the slower and taller waterfall display - over the smaller P3 screen. Additionally, the external monitor can be configured to show multiple rows of decoded RTTY (and I think CW) text beneath the waterfall. Very cool! The P3SVGA also has a USB connection that enables you to plug in a keyboard or a wireless keyboard receiver for RTTY and PSK. It may work for sending CW from the keyboard as well, but I'm not sure about that one. (Although I operate about 90% CW, I only use paddles, and don't use the CW decoder, so am not up to speed on those options) The one downside to the P3SVGA is that a Noise Blanker is not a current option for the built-in SDR receivers in the P3/P3SVGA. I frequently have to battle power line noise around here until the local power company gets around to resolving them, and when the poles are roaring, all I see on the P3 display(s) is a noise floor that is elevated to around -90 dBm or so, with only the strongest of signals making their presence known. The NB on the K3 is so effective that with it engaged and properly adjusted, I'd never even know that the powerline noise was still there -- however I may as well turn off the P3 because it shows me very few of the signals that I can otherwise hear on the K3. Perhaps a noise blanker can eventually be implemented into the P3SVGA firmware at some point. That would be a huge help. I see two primary advantages offered by the LP-PAN/NaP3 combo: 1. The effective NB functionality built into PowerSDR quiets the bands very nicely for most powerline and other impulse noise conditions. 2. The ability to click-tune the K3 via a mouse, is very nice -- though I have gotten pretty good at twisting the K3 knob to get me where I want to go in a hurry. One can also use the P3's marker/click-select to do the same thing, but it's not as fast as mouse-clicking on a signal on the panadapter display. That said, the LP-PAN remains on the shelf, and my overall preference by far is the P3SVGA, though I have been thinking about adding the LP-PAN/NaP3 combo back into the mix for those occasions (like now) where I'm waiting for the power company to resolve an issue. 73, Dale WA8SRA On 2/21/2013 5:51 PM, paul ecker wrote: First, I looked in the archives and didn't really find an answer. I have a K3 and P3 and love the combination, but seeing a P3 with a P3SVGA card in action at Orlando Hamcation, I have been considering adding the P3SVGA card to my P3. But have read some articles about the LP-Pan and I am interested in opinions on overall capabilities of P3/P3SVGA combo vs. LP-Pan/NaP3 combo. The individual items are roughly the same price. (I understand that an external sound card will be needed with LP-Pan) So can anyone who has experience with each, give some opinions on the pluses and minus of each terms of capabilities, and recommendations on which way to go? 73 Paul kc2nyu __ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
I have owned both and if you have a K3 and want the best use the P3/SVGA better integration and do not have to use your computer. There can be software glitches and I had problems with mine keeping it running all the time due to them. I personally would never downgrade to LP-Pan from my P3-SVGA again to much of a step back. Fred/N0AZZ -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of paul ecker Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2013 4:51 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3) First, I looked in the archives and didn't really find an answer. I have a K3 and P3 and love the combination, but seeing a P3 with a P3SVGA card in action at Orlando Hamcation, I have been considering adding the P3SVGA card to my P3. But have read some articles about the LP-Pan and I am interested in opinions on overall capabilities of P3/P3SVGA combo vs. LP-Pan/NaP3 combo. The individual items are roughly the same price. (I understand that an external sound card will be needed with LP-Pan) So can anyone who has experience with each, give some opinions on the pluses and minus of each terms of capabilities, and recommendations on which way to go? 73 Paul kc2nyu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] P3SVGA or LP-PAN / NaP3 (K3)
First, I looked in the archives and didn't really find an answer. I have a K3 and P3 and love the combination, but seeing a P3 with a P3SVGA card in action at Orlando Hamcation, I have been considering adding the P3SVGA card to my P3. But have read some articles about the LP-Pan and I am interested in opinions on overall capabilities of P3/P3SVGA combo vs. LP-Pan/NaP3 combo. The individual items are roughly the same price. (I understand that an external sound card will be needed with LP-Pan) So can anyone who has experience with each, give some opinions on the pluses and minus of each terms of capabilities, and recommendations on which way to go? 73 Paul kc2nyu __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
