RE: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
I have two K2's and use the lower power one to irritate the QRO boys on 75. They think I should add more power. I think they should get better receivers! 72, Bill K9YEQ K2 #35, K2 # 5279, KX1 #35, Mini Modules, etc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Penkas Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe I don't see how all this band button talk is going to make any difference with the K3. The panel is the way it is and I doubt that they can economically change things. Maybe in the future, when K3 sales drop off, they will come up with a new package for the K3 boards that would incorporate a panadapter and slots for transverters and all the buttons you could want. It would be nice if we could use our existing electronics in a bigger package, for those so inclined to upgrade. I think Elecraft chose a layout very similar to the TS-570 which was very functional. Some people are impressed with the obsessive amount of controls on a FT-2000 or the fewer ones of the IC706. I think Elecraft found a sound medium. I own both of those and find the K3 easiest to use. Some people don't think they are getting their money's worth unless there is a big cabinet. Take a look at all the dead space inside an Orion II cabinet. Now if I could just find something new and useful to do with my unsused K2 sitting on the shelf. Mike WA8EBM - Original Message - From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Elecraft Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:29:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave Agsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's >about how the designers want us to use the K3... < > >Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it >the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their >filter working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining >performance items. > >73, >Dave N8AG > Amen. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
G'day, I don't recall all this anguish about the layout of the K2 front panel. Why can't we just accept that it is as it is and get a life and get on with better things. I'm sure there is no way it's going to redesigned to suit individual whimsy. I for one am utterly sick of hearing about it. Now where is my KRX3? When I receive it I can drop off this infuriating Zoo. Regards, Mike VP8NO K2 #1400 K3 #345 ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
Heck I was impressed at how open and clean it was inside the K3. Then I saw the pictures of the sub RX and was impressed at how shoehorned in there it all was... Find it pretty impressive that they even had enough room to add the extra sub RX shielding as an afterthoght too! Maybe they were already planning for it as a possibility but when they were cranking out the SubRX it seemed like it was something they had to add to increase isolation between the two receivers. ~Brett (KC7OTG) On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 13:32 -0400, Mike Penkas wrote: > I don't see how all this band button talk is going to make any difference > with the K3. The panel is the way it is and I doubt that they can > economically change things. > Maybe in the future, when K3 sales drop off, they will come up with a new > package for the K3 boards that would incorporate a panadapter and slots for > transverters and all the buttons you could want. It would be nice if we > could use our existing electronics in a bigger package, for those so > inclined to upgrade. I think Elecraft chose a layout very similar to the > TS-570 which was very functional. Some people are impressed with the > obsessive amount of controls on a FT-2000 or the fewer ones of the IC706. I > think Elecraft found a sound medium. I own both of those and find the K3 > easiest to use. Some people don't think they are getting their money's worth > unless there is a big cabinet. Take a look at all the dead space inside an > Orion II cabinet. Now if I could just find something new and useful to do > with my unsused K2 sitting on the shelf. > > Mike WA8EBM > - Original Message - > From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Elecraft Discussion List" > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe > > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:29:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave Agsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's > >about how the designers want us to use the K3... < > > > >Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it > >the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their > >filter working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining > >performance items. > > > >73, > >Dave N8AG > > > > Amen. > > Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq > > "Those who would give up > Essential Liberty to > purchase a little Temporary > Safety deserve neither > Liberty nor Safety" > > An excerpt from a letter > written in 1755 from the > Assembly to the Governor > of Pennsylvania. > > Support the entire Constitution, not > just the parts you like. > > http://www.n5ge.com > http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
Agreed... I get a bit too wound up about it as it would frustrate me if I was the designer. I've been very happy wtih Wayne's prior priority structure and I'm sure it'll continue that way in the future. The one I'm still interested in playing with is the DVR. It'll probably be mostly a wowgit factor for me as I don't do a lot of SSB but it'll be my favorite thing in the world for FD. On Sat, 2008-07-26 at 07:29 -0700, Dave Agsten wrote: > Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's > about how the designers want us to use the K3... < > > Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it > the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their filter > working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining performance > items. > > 73, > Dave N8AG > > > > > ___ > Elecraft mailing list > Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > You must be a subscriber to post to the list. > Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm > Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:32:10 -0400, "Mike Penkas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I don't see how all this band button talk is going to make any difference >with the K3. The panel is the way it is and I doubt that they can >economically change things. I agree. >Maybe in the future, when K3 sales drop off, they will come up with a new >package for the K3 boards that would incorporate a panadapter and slots for >transverters and all the buttons you could want. It would be nice if we >could use our existing electronics in a bigger package, for those so >inclined to upgrade. I think Elecraft chose a layout very similar to the >TS-570 which was very functional. Some people are impressed with the >obsessive amount of controls on a FT-2000 or the fewer ones of the IC706. I >think Elecraft found a sound medium. I own both of those and find the K3 >easiest to use. Some people don't think they are getting their money's worth >unless there is a big cabinet. The Japanese manufacturers sell their radios by their weight, multiplied by the number of front panel controls ;O) >Take a look at all the dead space inside an >Orion II cabinet. Well, they had to make room for that big control panel with the much less than real-time band scope. [snip] I like the Elecraft way of letting you install options. If you don't want it you don't pay for it. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
I don't see how all this band button talk is going to make any difference with the K3. The panel is the way it is and I doubt that they can economically change things. Maybe in the future, when K3 sales drop off, they will come up with a new package for the K3 boards that would incorporate a panadapter and slots for transverters and all the buttons you could want. It would be nice if we could use our existing electronics in a bigger package, for those so inclined to upgrade. I think Elecraft chose a layout very similar to the TS-570 which was very functional. Some people are impressed with the obsessive amount of controls on a FT-2000 or the fewer ones of the IC706. I think Elecraft found a sound medium. I own both of those and find the K3 easiest to use. Some people don't think they are getting their money's worth unless there is a big cabinet. Take a look at all the dead space inside an Orion II cabinet. Now if I could just find something new and useful to do with my unsused K2 sitting on the shelf. Mike WA8EBM - Original Message - From: "Tom Childers, N5GE" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Elecraft Discussion List" Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:29:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave Agsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's about how the designers want us to use the K3... < Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their filter working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining performance items. 73, Dave N8AG Amen. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button
The solution is really very simple. Just have a bank of K3's. One for each band of interest. With a switching arrangement to suit the operator. Hams can't leave everything up to the rig designers. Also, maybe the firmware download could have a menu, with user selectable features. One size fits all firmware can't please everyone. 73 Rick Dettinger K7MW = On Jul 26, 2008, at 7:04 AM, Dave Agsten wrote: Wow - never thought anything as simple as a band select button would cause such commotion. Back when there were rotary bandswitches you had to go through 40 to get from 80 to 20. How did we ever manage that? Such silly stuff. 73, Dave N8AG PS - wonder which button is next on the list? Oh, that's right, the Mode button. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 07:29:05 -0700 (PDT), Dave Agsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's >about how the designers want us to use the K3... < > >Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it >the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their filter >working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining performance >items. > >73, >Dave N8AG > Amen. Tom, N5GE - SWOT 3537 - Grid EM12jq "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" An excerpt from a letter written in 1755 from the Assembly to the Governor of Pennsylvania. Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like. http://www.n5ge.com http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?N5GE ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
Re: [Elecraft] RE: Band Button
I rather miss sliding the honeycomb wound coils over the wooden dowels and landing the leads in Fahnestock clips followed by plugging in a new crystal to change bands. It was made more interesting by forgetting to turn off the HV but was a great way to wake up in the morning. By the way (while robbing threads) why does the K3 use a threaded post and knurled nut to fasten the ground wire when it's obvious that a Fahnestock clip could do the same job much quicker without even using a thumb? :-) Dave Agsten wrote: Wow - never thought anything as simple as a band select button would cause such commotion. Back when there were rotary bandswitches you had to go through 40 to get from 80 to 20. How did we ever manage that? Such silly stuff. 73, Dave N8AG PS - wonder which button is next on the list? Oh, that's right, the Mode button. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] RE: Band Button Gripe
Saw this > But I really don't think it's about panel space, it's about how the designers want us to use the K3... < Isn't that true with the Icom, Kenwood and Yaesu radios? You have to use it the way it's designed... What a concept. I hope Elecraft has their filter working on this one, drops it, and continues to address refining performance items. 73, Dave N8AG ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
[Elecraft] RE: Band Button
Wow - never thought anything as simple as a band select button would cause such commotion. Back when there were rotary bandswitches you had to go through 40 to get from 80 to 20. How did we ever manage that? Such silly stuff. 73, Dave N8AG PS - wonder which button is next on the list? Oh, that's right, the Mode button. ___ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net You must be a subscriber to post to the list. Subscriber Info (Addr. Change, sub, unsub etc.): http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/subscribers.htm Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com
