Re: [Elecraft] SKN rigs - OT Old Stuff Comment

2005-12-24 Thread Mike Morrow
>Well, there you are! "Restorable" ARC-5s are expensive but junkers aren't.

Most have been ham-hacked into oblivion.  Today, it would be a shame to deface 
or modify in *any* way WWII-era military radios that have managed to avoid 60 
years of ham defacement.  Please, use a "pre-hacked" unit if you intend to 
actually put one on the air.

The famous WWII "command set" (ATA/ARA, SCR-274-N, AN/ARC-5) transmitters 
actually perform rather well when left all original and operated in the manner 
which the original engineers intended.  Leave it to a ham armed with not much 
more real radio engineering knowledge than how to use Ohm's law to completely 
"re-design" (i.e., destroy) a set.  Most of the post-WWII ham mag articles 
detailing the faults of the original designs are based upon pure myth and lack 
of knowledge by the author.

I have all-original AN/ARC-5 and SCR-274-N systems (radios, controls, racks, 
mountings, tuning shafts, cables, connectors, etc.) that took me many years to 
complete.  The receivers and transmitters are by far the easiest components to 
obtain.

eBay is a great resource for hacked or original condition units.

Those who are interested in this great old technology, both historical, 
operational, and technical, may want to join two other qth.net lists:

[EMAIL PROTECTED][General military radios of all eras, but WWII 
predominates]
[EMAIL PROTECTED][WWII aircraft radios, especially "command" sets]

Traffic can sometimes be light on these lists.  But beware...on either of the 
above lists, inquiries about modifications to all-original gear or major 
"re-design" of lightly-hacked gear, may get a somewhat cool reception.

73,
Mike / KK5F 
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Re: [Elecraft] SKN rigs - OT Old Stuff Comment

2005-12-28 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 12/24/05 1:14:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


> >Well, there you are! "Restorable" ARC-5s are expensive but junkers aren't.
> 
> Most have been ham-hacked into oblivion.  Today, it would be a shame to 
> deface or modify in *any* way WWII-era military radios that have managed to 
> avoid 
> 60 years of ham defacement.  Please, use a "pre-hacked" unit if you intend 
> to actually put one on the air.


I agree 100%. Keep the mint/unmodified sets as they are, and focus on the 
ones
so hacked up they'll never be restored.

> 
> The famous WWII "command set" (ATA/ARA, SCR-274-N, AN/ARC-5) transmitters 
> actually perform rather well when left all original and operated in the 
> manner 
> which the original engineers intended.

Agreed! 


  Leave it to a ham armed with not much more real radio engineering knowledge 

> than how to use Ohm's law to completely "re-design" (i.e., destroy) a set.  
> Most of the post-WWII ham mag articles detailing the faults of the original 
> designs are based upon pure myth and lack of knowledge by the author.
> 

I disagree! Sort of, anyway.

The "ARC-5" sets do work quite well in original configuration *if* you have 
all the 
required stuff like dynamotors and suitable supplies, and set them up the way 
they
were originally used (transmitters tuned up and locked on frequency, for 
example).

But hams didn't/couldn't use them that way. They'd get a surplus unit all by 
itself - no documents, no dynamotor, etc. Cars were 6 or 12 volts DC, houses 
were 110 AC - 24-28 VDC was a problem!

In those days *anything* less than pure T9X was likely to get you an FCC 
notice as well as an OO card. Sure, it might be possible to get a good signal 
out 
of Command set - if a lot of "ifs" were met...

On top of this was TVI. Even a little harmonic energy was too much back in 
those days when TV stations ran relatively low ERP, there was no cable, and 
people tried to pick up distant TV stations because so few were on the air. 


> I have all-original AN/ARC-5 and SCR-274-N systems (radios, controls, 
> racks, mountings, tuning shafts, cables, connectors, etc.) that took me many 
> years 
> to complete.  The receivers and transmitters are by far the easiest 
> components to obtain.
> 

The average ham who used Command sets in the bad old days was very 
economy-minded, and buying "accessories" wasn't part of the plan


> eBay is a great resource for hacked or original condition units.
> 
> Those who are interested in this great old technology, both historical, 
> operational, and technical, may want to join two other qth.net lists:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED][General military radios of all eras, but WWII 
> predominates]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED][WWII aircraft radios, especially "command" 
> sets]
> 
> Traffic can sometimes be light on these lists.  But beware...on either of 
> the above lists, inquiries about modifications to all-original gear or major 
> "re-design" of lightly-hacked gear, may get a somewhat cool reception.
> 

How to join?

Again - my opinion is that unhacked units should be left alone! There are 
plenty of sets that have been hacked up so much or are in such poor shape that 
they're better off as parts sources/modification platforms.

73 de Jim, N2EY
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